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If you must have it during the first year, then yeah
Smart/patient buyers will wait one or two years for them to iron out the kinks.
This is AMAZING for us sportscar fans, evne if you dont like corvettes and/or dont plan to buy one.
Based on the initial reveal, the c8 corvette will absolutely murder that segment which will drive up competition. Have you guys seen the 300 hp front engined Supra that Toyota is trying to sell for 50k? When you can spend an extra 5grand for this beast?
Cant wait to buy a 750hp mid engine sports car in 2025 for 65k.
Last edited by NotABaller; Jul 19, 2019 at 11:05 AM.
Initial bang for buck seems to be great, but I think it's trying to adapt too many car styles. Rear end of a Camaro, front/side profile of a Acura NSX, and mid engine like an exotic.
I think it F'ing hideous... And with that huge aluminum chassis, I bet it weighs the same as a C7.
I'd much rather have the new Supra...
F@CK Chevrolet !
Not to mention, I'll never even CONSIDER buying a new GM product... Not after the Company steals $13 billion in bailout money from Canada, then shutters' their Canadian plants to move them to Mexico...
Did I mention... F@CK CHEVROLET and their garbage vehicles !
I think it F'ing hideous... And with that huge aluminum chassis, I bet it weighs the same as a C7.
I'd much rather have the new Supra...
F@CK Chevrolet !
Not to mention, I'll never even CONSIDER buying a new GM product... Not after the Company steals $13 billion in bailout money from Canada, then shutters' their Canadian plants to move them to Mexico...
Did I mention... F@CK CHEVROLET and their garbage vehicles !
Thanks for the laugh man ....it can't weigh that much because it's faster 0 to 60 than any amg in existence and that is for the base model.
This car will absolutely destroy the supra in every category
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I'm on the local top 50 in sales vette dealer list. They showed me they are supposed to get 24 allocations within the first 3 months. I am number 31 and I'm promised MSRP and get to spec it. Honestly in it for a short term flip...we'll see if I stick with it. Never had a GM car before...although I still want a C6Z...
I'm on the local top 50 in sales vette dealer list. They showed me they are supposed to get 24 allocations within the first 3 months. I am number 31 and I'm promised MSRP and get to spec it. Honestly in it for a short term flip...we'll see if I stick with it. Never had a GM car before...although I still want a C6Z...
The C6Z was a monster. I had one and loved it. Best performance bargain of its time and really still today for the price you can get them...which will likely drop further now that the base C8 will destroy it performance and interior wise.
The GT3 uses the M159 because they wanted less parts to maintain for higher reliability in racing.
The recently released GT4 uses the M178 4.0T.
GT3 is a more intensive racing series than GT4.
GT3
GT3 is a designed as a mix between professional and amateur racers. This gives everyone a chance to make their mark on history.
GT4
GT4 is a league designed for amateur racers only. The cars are smaller and much slower than any other standard class.
GT2
The general idea of GT2 is that it consists of professional, private race cars. GT2 has lost much of its popularity since the 1990s though and now barely exists, more so as a cross between GT2 and GT3.
I had a quick look in Wikipedia.
Basically I was surprised because even as low of a series as the GT3 must be, AMG must keep open the assembly line for M159, tool it and stock the parts for assembly and provide factory warranty for these engines.
Not a cost effective strategy for managers that are looking for a big profit/bonus.
So the GT3 Has Been a version if this car.
It was shown in 2015 and sold as a 2016.
All they had to do, was keep the line open for a small time longer, to realize the designed stockpile of these engines and then it was over.
For AMG to announce for example now:
Heeeeey! We are rolling out a new version of the AMG GT, we are calling it the GT V and it will be powered by a M159, that would be colossal.
This means that:
They have to de archive the technology for assembly, re train some workers, re tool, buy the parts.
The expenses for this are not to be ignored.
In sum it's almost like they would admit that in certain applications, their older engine is so much better that they have to use it.
For those circumstances, all their development work, with the V8 TT, has failed, its inferior.
so...its really easy for AMG to realign their assembly lines for specific engines. they reorient their assembly based off a schedule. they may assemble the M178 Monday-Wednesday, and other engines the other days. if you watch the video linked below you'll see that AMG has adapted mobile stations with markers on the floor. this allows them to reorganize their assembly line for specific engines very easily. every part and tool is at a station or part of a mobile cart. they literally have this down to a cookie cutter formula. the AMG GT3's M159 requires complete engine rebuild every 12,750 miles, so I wonder if it is built to a different spec than the standard M159?
The “Low Cost” Race Car
Although the side exhaust pipes and unpainted carbon-fiber bodies are industrial art, the GT3’s giant V-8 steals our attention. Because turbocharging is inevitably more complex, expensive, and prone to failure on track, Mercedes-AMG doesn’t use the street car’s 4.0-liter M178 turbo V-8. The naturally aspirated 6.2-liter M159 V-8 powers the GT3. In fact, one of its biggest selling points is “low running costs,” or a complete engine rebuild every 12,750 miles. In the racing world, that’s considered good.
This is not what I'm talking about.
The modular function of having the assembly of several engines available, while nice to watch, is an effect.
The cause of this effect is the technology implementation group.
What we are discussing is not the ease of switching between engines, but the addition of an engine to the menu.
Switching between implemented engines is designed to be fast and error free.
Implementing a new (or not in production anymore) engine so that switching between it and other engines be fast and error free, is a slow and error filled process.
This is where you have to train the guy that has not assembled the M159 in the steps required.
This is where you add the triple pneumatic screwdriver that is specific to the M159 and so on.
But then the GT3 which is not built by AMG, but by HWA, is such a niche car, that I guess AMG can afford to keep one certified technician and work station, to continue building the M159 for HWA and the V12 for the Pagani as needed.
In other words, while I was thinking about what happens if you have to reimplement the M159, the M159 was never dropped off the menu, just continues at a very slow pace.
And yes, this M159, just like the V12 are now customers engines, so I expect they're customized.
As far as the lifetime between rebuilds, I was reading in the racecar engineering magazine in the for sale section, all race engines are sold with this interval stated clearly and this duration does not seem much different than others.
I put money down for an C8 allocation yesterday....
I don’t like Ike the direction of AMG, style-wise and cost. The W204 generation is the last design I liked... not a fan of the rounded edges. Regarding C8 remarks looking similar to rear end camaro, front end NSX. Some have said the W204 looks like the period Honda Accord Coupe... comparisons good or not so good can be made all day long. I don’t think there is a design that I call perfect.... That’s called personal taste. You buy what you like and what makes you happy.
One thing is certain, GM is moving forward...with mid engine NA 6.2 with DCT starting under 60k that puts all other manufacturers on notice. I’m looking forward to spec’ing mine... cheers.
I put money down for an C8 allocation yesterday....
I don’t like Ike the direction of AMG, style-wise and cost. The W204 generation is the last design I liked... not a fan of the rounded edges. Regarding C8 remarks looking similar to rear end camaro, front end NSX. Some have said the W204 looks like the period Honda Accord Coupe... comparisons good or not so good can be made all day long. I don’t think there is a design that I call perfect.... That’s called personal taste. You buy what you like and what makes you happy.
One thing is certain, GM is moving forward...with mid engine NA 6.2 with DCT starting under 60k that puts all other manufacturers on notice. I’m looking forward to spec’ing mine... cheers.
Congrats, and I agree even though I don't like GM.
This is not what I'm talking about.
This is where you have to train the guy that has not assembled the M159 in the steps required.
And yes, this M159, just like the V12 are now customers engines, so I expect they're customized.
As far as the lifetime between rebuilds, I was reading in the racecar engineering magazine in the for sale section, all race engines are sold with this interval stated clearly and this duration does not seem much different than others.
I don't believe this to be true. Every station explains to the builder what to do and what steps to take. They literally have to scan the parts before the system allows them to proceed with the next steps in assembly. Honestly with how they've designed their assembly process anybody could build an AMG engine. This is how they're able to pump out more AMG hand built engines than ever. At this point, we're paying for the research and design of the AMG engine versus the hand built moniker. For the sake of speed and quality, I'm sure they have a list of team members who've built the M159 and when the time comes are put onto that assembly line.
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