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Old Aug 15, 2019 | 12:40 PM
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Car had the classic deadbolt, head gasket issue. They were replaced with the newer parts along with all the new followers, cams, etc. Heads were rebuilt and pressure tested. Car went back together and developed had a weird miss.

Dealership takes a look, determine that there are multiple scenarios where injectors are being shut off. Discover engine harness has oil in it. Replace engine harness and all sensors. Car still has miss. Decide to replace ECM with new unit. Idle and cold start miss go away. However miss at low load stays the same. If the car is accelerating there is no miss and car has full power. Miss has been isolated to cylinder 7. Leak down is <5% and compression test is inline with all other cylinder.

With a pressure meter hooked up and checking cylinder 2 normal versus cylinder 7 we see an interesting anomaly with the pressure graph. Red is cylinder 7.

Anyone ever see this before? Any thoughts?
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Old Aug 15, 2019 | 02:12 PM
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does that show that #7 has more pressure than #2?
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Old Aug 15, 2019 | 02:17 PM
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it does.
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Old Aug 15, 2019 | 02:17 PM
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Well that is staggered so it is easy to see. However cylinder 7 does have higher pressure than cylinder 2 (the good one)
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Old Aug 15, 2019 | 02:27 PM
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honestly couldn't tell you what to think...if your heads fully came off and were cleaned during this process along with brand new gaskets all around...you should have no issues.

faulty injector maybe....leaking?
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Old Aug 16, 2019 | 09:25 AM
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What RPM do you have the miss? Iv got the same on cyl7 at about 1500RPM
I just did the headbolts too. Im wondering if something has been missed putting everything back together?

Pull the fuel rail off and check to see if any injector is leaking, that's my next step.

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Old Aug 16, 2019 | 02:42 PM
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mine is most felt at lower constant load rpm's. though if I put the car in manual mode and hold it at light load at higher rpm's it will miss as well.
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Old Aug 16, 2019 | 06:27 PM
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Mines the same . Let me know what you find out.
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Originally Posted by kkkk
Mines the same . Let me know what you find out.
Wait... that’s three of us... so odd.
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Old Aug 16, 2019 | 11:04 PM
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I'm $11k into figuring this out....running out of steam.
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Old Aug 16, 2019 | 11:16 PM
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Wait... that’s three of us... so odd.
Cylinder 7 also?
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Old Aug 17, 2019 | 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by kkkk
Cylinder 7 also?
No just the same symptoms... my shop said it sounded like a misfire but they didn’t see evidence of one... and I just had my head bolts replaced too.
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Old Aug 17, 2019 | 12:55 AM
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Do any of you guys have any weird sounding noises from the cam adjuster (intake)?
Im just wondering maybe someone skipped a step or something when putting the car back together after the headbolt install

Did your misfire come after the headbolt install dogtag?

What are your long term fuel trims like?
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Old Aug 17, 2019 | 11:41 AM
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For reference, here is my idle:

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Old Aug 17, 2019 | 12:18 PM
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For reference, here is my idle:

This is exactly what my 507 sounds like on a cold start when it has been sitting for at least 5 days! The "ticking" continues until the oil temperature reaches 143 degrees.
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Old Aug 17, 2019 | 12:21 PM
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And today’s diagnostics:


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Old Aug 17, 2019 | 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by chris135b
This is exactly what my 507 sounds like on a cold start when it has been sitting for at least 5 days! The "ticking" continues until the oil temperature reaches 143 degrees.
Yeah I think mine is fine... listen to the one above me... that sounds really sketchy.
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Old Aug 18, 2019 | 12:29 AM
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What app did you use for the diagnostics
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Old Aug 18, 2019 | 01:28 AM
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What app did you use for the diagnostics

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Did the headbolt let go and the car actually started consuming coolant? Possible bent rod? Did they do a compression and leak down test yet?
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odd your long term trims is -4 and on the other bank +7... that would mean there is a 11% separation between the two banks which is not good.

unless i'm reading that wrong.
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Originally Posted by hachiroku
odd your long term trims is -4 and on the other bank +7... that would mean there is a 11% separation between the two banks which is not good.

unless i'm reading that wrong.
Would these be controlled by the Eurocharged tune?
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"Leak down is <5% and compression test is inline with all other cylinders."

Deck height has been checked on all cylinders, no bent rod.
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Originally Posted by Dogtag114
Would these be controlled by the Eurocharged tune?
no...the tune won't be specific to each bank. its pretty rare even with full standalones to allow for individual cylinder correction.

the M156 engine was CAD designed so I'd doubt the head flow characteristics to allow for a deviation of 11%. deviation is unavoidable with OEM built engines, but not of a spread of 11%. I'd look to maybe the possibility of air flow restriction of some sort? it wouldn't be a fuel flow issue as fueling will be based off metered air and oxygen sensor reading.

does your trims always have a 11% spread, or was it just this instance? my LTFT's with larger injectors and e85 tend to have a spread of about 3-7% at times, but never static.

anybody else here have any thoughts?
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ok, fuel injectors, spark plugs and coils all replaced. No dice. Cylinder 7 misfire.
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