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Hello,
I’m a new member from Pakistan. Wondering if anyone has converted a normal C class to C63 Amg?
Why you may logically ask? Imports of vehicles older than 3yrs isn’t allowed as per local laws. My only option is to buy a C180/200 locally(easily available) and import C63 in parts and convert.
How bonkers is that?
W204 C63 Coupe, W166 ML350 BlueTEC, 928GT, C5 Z06 & IS300 race cars, EQE 4Matic+ on order
Just for starters, the chassis is different. You can't fit the M156 engine in a "regular" C class... and that's just the beginning. Even if you could, by the time you're done you will have spent about 2x the amount a brand new W205 C63 would cost you even with (almost) free labour.
Can you import a complete C63 in parts, and then simply reassemble it? That's what "some" people do here in the States to get around import restrictions for certain cars.
Can you import a complete C63 in parts, and then simply reassemble it? That's what "some" people do here in the States to get around import restrictions for certain cars.
yes I can buy a complete running car abroad and import it in parts.
Just for starters, the chassis is different. You can't fit the M156 engine in a "regular" C class... and that's just the beginning. Even if you could, by the time you're done you will have spent about 2x the amount a brand new W205 C63 would cost you even with (almost) free labour.
The chassis is different? 😰. Care to elaborate more please?
The w205 will still cost me an arm & leg, import duties on 2000cc+ vehicles go beyond 200% C&F.
W204 C63 Coupe, W166 ML350 BlueTEC, 928GT, C5 Z06 & IS300 race cars, EQE 4Matic+ on order
Originally Posted by RHDC63
The chassis is different? 😰. Care to elaborate more please?
The w205 will still cost me an arm & leg, import duties on 2000cc+ vehicles go beyond 200% C&F.
"This is the first AMG product to be designed from its computer-conception for extreme performance. Its predecessors (like most AMG models) are essentially tuner specials, with bolted-on performance. This time, practically everything forward of the firewall (except for the two energy-absorbing frame-rail stubs) is unique to AMG. The front track is 1.4-inches wider, standard 18-inch wheels permit larger knuckles, and a new engine cradle accommodates longer diagonal links that completely change the geometry. A lower roll center, for example, helps the car corner flatter while preserving ride quality with an anti-roll bar that's only 0.04-inch thicker. New ball bearings offer twice the rigidity of the stock front-axle bearings. Camber increases from 0.5 to 1.4 degrees and caster is reduced by 15 degrees. The steering ratio tightens from 14.5:1 to 13.5:1, and there are new bearings atop the struts. The effect of all this front-end work is vastly improved steering feel and agility with reduced understeer. The 6.2-liter V-8 weighs about 70 pounds more than the E350's V-6, and it's about four inches longer, but by moving it two inches closer to the firewall, weight distribution remains at a respectable 54/46 front/rear. An all-new front end stretches the nose 3.4 inches."
"This is the first AMG product to be designed from its computer-conception for extreme performance. Its predecessors (like most AMG models) are essentially tuner specials, with bolted-on performance. This time, practically everything forward of the firewall (except for the two energy-absorbing frame-rail stubs) is unique to AMG. The front track is 1.4-inches wider, standard 18-inch wheels permit larger knuckles, and a new engine cradle accommodates longer diagonal links that completely change the geometry. A lower roll center, for example, helps the car corner flatter while preserving ride quality with an anti-roll bar that's only 0.04-inch thicker. New ball bearings offer twice the rigidity of the stock front-axle bearings. Camber increases from 0.5 to 1.4 degrees and caster is reduced by 15 degrees. The steering ratio tightens from 14.5:1 to 13.5:1, and there are new bearings atop the struts. The effect of all this front-end work is vastly improved steering feel and agility with reduced understeer. The 6.2-liter V-8 weighs about 70 pounds more than the E350's V-6, and it's about four inches longer, but by moving it two inches closer to the firewall, weight distribution remains at a respectable 54/46 front/rear. An all-new front end stretches the nose 3.4 inches."
Those were just the first three references I could find. If you Google it I am sure you'll find more.
The frame rails are the same, therefore everything will bolt on. He's talking about stripping it down to the bare chassis and rebuilding using the c63 parts. It's perfectly doable.
"This is the first AMG product to be designed from its computer-conception for extreme performance. Its predecessors (like most AMG models) are essentially tuner specials, with bolted-on performance. This time, practically everything forward of the firewall (except for the two energy-absorbing frame-rail stubs) is unique to AMG.
Thank you for digging up the details for me. The idea is to get everything from the AMG donor car and completely swap the C200. These details will serve as a guide if I do proceed with the project.
The frame rails are the same, therefore everything will bolt on. He's talking about stripping it down to the bare chassis and rebuilding using the c63 parts. It's perfectly doable.
Rear tub is different. Would need a bunch of choppy choppy work so not just bolt on.
W204 C63 Coupe, W166 ML350 BlueTEC, 928GT, C5 Z06 & IS300 race cars, EQE 4Matic+ on order
Originally Posted by blurred
The frame rails are the same, therefore everything will bolt on. He's talking about stripping it down to the bare chassis and rebuilding using the c63 parts. It's perfectly doable.
We'll all be waiting with baited breath to find out how he makes out.
Rear tub is different. Would need a bunch of choppy choppy work so not just bolt on.
What's different in the rear tub? I would expect it to be pretty simple bodyshop stuff, which is where this whole endeavor would take place if he is serious about it.
Originally Posted by Diabolis
We'll all be waiting with baited breath to find out how he makes out.
What's different in the rear tub? I would expect it to be pretty simple bodyshop stuff, which is where this whole endeavor would take place if he is serious about it.
Aren't the rear arches wider? Would need to cut the panels out like what has been done in some BS conversions.
2012 P31 C63 Coupe Trackrat, 2019 GLE63S Coupe Beast
The others are too polite to say this. But you’re out of your freaking mind. It’s not that special a car. And you won’t even have a real C63 worth anything when you’re done. You’ll have put tens of thousands into making some sort of chopped up monstrosity that will more likely than not have permanent issues.
There are cool ground-up rebuilds like that 1980’s 190E with a C63 drivetrain which came out amazing. Then there are stupid ideas like this one. You’ll have what looks like a generic narrow-body late 2000’s C class chassis (with the weight and wheel/tire/suspension limitations that come with it) with a C63 drivetrain which may or may not even work right.
I just don’t think you’re comprehending the scope of the chassis and geometry differences. What Doug posted is just the very tip of that iceberg. And if you didn’t know all of that already, you’re nowhere near prepared or skilled enough to attempt this.
I think you should either make something cool and unique like that 190E or abandon this idea altogether and get a car you can afford.
Thank you everyone for the insights. 10/10 times I would have gone for an original C63 had the option been available. Sadly, it’s not. I’d work with my workshop guy on these intricate details.
Project C63 is a go. Picked up a 2008 UK spec C200 today. It’s manual tranny and maintained by MB dealer here. So a good platform. Total dent $16,500.
Hunt for c63 starts now. Since I need RHD variant, my focus is primarily on Japan market with UK as a back up. Long lead times start now but this is what’s in my mind:
1. Shortlist c63 in Japan auction houses - current + 1 week
2. Purchase shortlisted vehicle - C+2wk
3. Disassembly of c63 in Japan - C+4wk
4. Pack & ready for dispatch to Pakistan - C+4wk
5. Arrival in Pakistan by sea freight - C+14wk
6. Conversion at Pakistan - C+20wk
Long lead times I know, wish I could do everything asap. Let’s see. In the meanwhile, I’ll commute to work in the C200 and do some basic maintenances.
04-25-2021, 05:36 PM
