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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 10:55 PM
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No better than our first being about our favorite engine and products for the M156 equipped C63! Please welcome the PTG 4L Supercharger System to MB World.

The goal at PTG was to design and produce the biggest and best supercharger system for the M156, and the result is nothing short of just that. Link to System below..

https://www.premiertuninggroup.com/c.../006-0425-4000

Some technical info on the system:
  • 1,300HP Capable System with complimentary modifications
  • 4.0 Liter Twin Screw Compressor Unit
  • Cast Aluminum Symmetrical Runners
  • Cast Aluminum SC Inlet and Manifold
  • Auxiliary 8-Rib Drive belt developed with ATI Racing
  • ATI Crank Damper
  • Billet Aluminum Top Lid w/ Custom Color Options
  • 1/2 Inch Billet Fuel Rails
  • Billet Snout Cradle
  • Massive intercooler and heat exchangers for proper cooling
  • 1215cc Fuel Injectors
  • Verstand OBD Flash Tool and Software Included
At only 7psi on a stock engine this system pushed a staggering 715whp. (Graph Below)

This thread would be pointless without photos so here you have it!












Check out our website for more information and feel free to contact us for any of your M156 needs!

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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 11:16 PM
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can confirn thats my car and will have dragy and 1/4 times soon and there are videos on my IG @Asherc63amg

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Old Sep 9, 2021 | 11:36 PM
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Im just right behind you Eric hahaha.

After a very long 2 years of downtime (waiting for many parts from many vendors, due to covid, shops closing due to covid), and other factors, my C63 507 coupe engine build with PTG SC is almost complete. I am dying, absolutely dying, to get my car back.

This if for the C63 m156 507 coupe with fully built / forged internals and custom sleeved engine, PTG race camshafts, and much more..can't wait.

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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 12:00 AM
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Makes me want to get a w204 again. That's some serious power there!
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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 12:17 AM
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amazing results and baby boost
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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 12:32 AM
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That’s super impressive and looks sexy 👌
Im guessing the transmission needed a rebuild even on the mild 7xxwhp levels?

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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 12:35 AM
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Sweet Jesus. This must make the horsepower gods proud. If this 4 liter does what it does on other engine platforms, it will make way north of 1,000whp on an M156.
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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 04:27 AM
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Is it the same belt driving all aux stuff?
alternator,servo,ac etc etc?

I had kleemansetup in my old c55, and huge problems with beltslip.

I hope this one works better =)
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Is there a dyno sheet without meth injection?
especially since your system listed above doesn't include it.

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I cant wait to get a drive in this thing. Gotta get some Kebabs when its done.

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Im just right behind you Eric hahaha.

After a very long 2 years of downtime (waiting for many parts from many vendors, due to covid, shops closing due to covid), and other factors, my C63 507 coupe engine build with PTG SC is almost complete. I am dying, absolutely dying, to get my car back.

This if for the C63 m156 507 coupe with fully built / forged internals and custom sleeved engine, PTG race camshafts, and much more..can't wait.

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Old Sep 10, 2021 | 12:21 PM
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Such a nice system. We’re doing an install on a friends C63 Black Series. Should be wrapped up pretty soon. Extremely nice quality and everything is massive.
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no its a seperate 8 rib belt system and the wrap on it is as much as one can get
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Old Sep 11, 2021 | 03:28 AM
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no its a seperate 8 rib belt system and the wrap on it is as much as one can get
I modified some pulleys location in my kleemankit to get more wrap also, but it still slipped.i had 11.8psi of boost, at lower levels it worked 'fine'.
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I modified some pulleys location in my kleemankit to get more wrap also, but it still slipped.i had 11.8psi of boost, at lower levels it worked 'fine'.

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Old Sep 11, 2021 | 08:01 AM
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really cool system. interesting to see what people do for transmission. v12 box? glide?

does anyone know if vrp is developing a 3.8L kit? Gen 5 rotors are a big leap, flow better and much cooler
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Old Sep 11, 2021 | 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Asher4799
Where did you decide i didn´t see the pulley config?
As it is it´s own drivesystem they should have used cog belt and never run into problems

However seems to be a very well designed setup(except THAT)

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Old Sep 12, 2021 | 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by swedepat
Where did you decide i didn´t see the pulley config?
As it is it´s own drive system they should have used cog belt and never run into problems
However seems to be a very well designed setup(except THAT)
I guess I should be flattered... it appears to be a direct copy/clone of the SledgeHammer drive, and that has proven to be very reliable.
It is a mistake to use a toothed belt (cogged) drive on any twin-screw/Roots supercharger - the multi-rib ensures that there is some slippage available for "overrun" or deceleration situations such as ultra-fast gear changes and rev-limiter bouncing. Many superchargers have been destroyed by the inertia of the rotors fighting a 'direct-drive' deceleration. I took some high-speed video of what happens to the supercharger belt on rev-limiter bouncing... it was scary enough to change my driving style.
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Old Sep 12, 2021 | 03:59 AM
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That torque gain around 2500rpm must be pleasing
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Old Sep 12, 2021 | 08:23 AM
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I took some high-speed video of what happens to the supercharger belt on rev-limiter bouncing... it was scary enough to change my driving style.
Is this posted on the youtube somewhere? That would be neat to see.
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Is this posted on the youtube somewhere? That would be neat to see.
No - it was proprietary info & not for public release.
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I think it’s awesome someone else is coming out with a supercharger. However, I’d suggest a smaller supercharger to help with the cost. A 2300 or 2650 is more than enough for this motor and will have a higher fun factor in my opinion. Having owned more supercharger cars with different blower sizes i always found the instant torque from a mid size blower to be way more fun than the larger blowers as they do take time to build torque and boost. Just my opinion. If you have a good intercooler and heat exchanger heat soak shouldn’t be an issue
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There are already smaller chargers available and at one time the tvs 2300 was available. A 2650 kit would probably get some interest but I think the 2300 would just have people opt for the options already available
The 4.0 is a nice alternative to the ones already available and should be able to make more power than the others on the market thus far.
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