zibby43

Oh the irony of answering that question. And don't worry about the factually incorrect part, the feeling is mutual.

And regarding the F80 M3, it has been weighed independently. You're absolutely right.

And it still weighs less than the E90 M3. Thus still making it lighter than its predecessor.

TT C6

So, you tell me that you find my posts to be factually inaccurate, and then tell me that what I posted was factual, and BMW's statements were false, all in the same breath?
I rest my case.

On a positive, I do like your C63 and that you chose 4 doors and silver paint.
I'll take all of the same, just make mine AWD, and preferably include a DCT.

zibby43

Thank you for the compliment. When the time comes, I would buy a W205 C63 with AWD and DCT in a heartbeat.

unagi1

If MB wants to keep the C63 as a driver's car, then I bet on RWD. If they just want to focus on sales to folks that don't know how to modulate their right foot, then AWD.

Arcoril

I seriously don't understand this line of thinking. This segment of cars is reaching horsepower levels that can't be fully used via two wheels. Some of the best cars in the world are AWD and the C63 would benefit a lot from that addition.

But yeah, sure, I guess it's only a driver's car if it can do burnouts and donuts.

unagi1

Really? Porsche GT3, burnouts and donuts?

forcefed6.4ford

Really? R32, R33, R34, R35 GT-R's, 911 Turbo, 918, RS5, R8, Subaru, Evo, Ferrari FF, Aventador, Gallardo, Huracan, Sesto Elemento.... Would you like some more examples of AWD "drivers cars"? What about the new LM prototypes that are AWD? Are those not drivers car?

Power is nothing without control.

benyl

I am almost 100% sure there will be no AWD. If there is, it will NOT be the same system in the E63 and the S63. Here is why. 18" wheels standard.

The E63 and S63 requires 19" wheels at a minimum to clear the added components for 4Matic.

Some of you might say that the S model will get AWD and not the Non S. I highly doubt MB would spend money on crash testing two different drivetrains for the S and non-S. That is why North America doesn't get the RWD only E63. It's why all the C-coupes get the pano roof.

natman316

911 turbo is awd but gt2 RS is rwd Ferrari FF is awd but Ferrari 458 speciale and LaFerrari are rwd. Lambos seem the be the only exception but even the Balboni edition is rwd.

For a daily driver I guess awd is better for everyday usability, but they already offer the rest of the range in AWD, so im glad theres an RWD model for fun/ driver engagement

unagi1

+1

Adding 4MATIC to the C63 will ruin that driver involvement and fun factor, turning it into a completely different car.

-=Hot|Ice=-

Didn't the head of AMG already put a nail in that coffin? He said 4Matic it would ruin fun factor and the C class is driver oriented. I can see a 4matic S variant being offered, but I don't think it will happen. It would ruin the point of a C63 AMG, wouldn't it?

c63canada

The c63 needs awd at least as an option.

Up here in the north east with all the rain, snow and generally cold weather, awd would be a godsent.


Appart from the dry warm days in the summer, witch are few, you can't put the power down with a c63 from a stop.

With awd, max accel, rain or shine even in cold weater.

More car reviews need to do track testing in the wet (both drag and race course.)

-=Hot|Ice=-

GT3 is also RWD. I agree that AWD changes the dynamics of the car completely. Looking at 'Ring videos, the C63 turns in very cleanly. I'm interested to see what lies ahead.

unagi1

With all the snow and ice we had in CT this year, you'd be hard-pressed to use all that power even with awd. It's more tractable sure but with the type of weather we had, speed was just a general bad idea.

On the other hand, with the e55, just turn the traction control and have fun going sideways...interesting the reactions you get when you drift an e-class through intersections

TT C6

Ya. Cuz AWD has RUINED the GTR, 911 Turbo, Gallardo/Hurican, etc. LMFAO
Give me a break.

No offense, but when I hear crap like "it will ruin the fun of the car" it makes me LMFAO.

News Flash: The "Fun" of a car is already ruined when you start moving past 3,000lbs.
If you want a FUN car, buy a LIGHTWEIGHT COUPE.

The C63 is a LUXURY car for COMMUTING on the STREET, that has improved performance for it's class.
The C63 is NOT a performance focused coupe, and FAR from a race car.

Give daily drivers the option of AWD for it's purpose: safely and efficiently commuting while dealing with multiple road conditions and temperatures.

TT C6

Yup. It's called the SLS.
Can't afford it?
Buy a Corvette.
Can't beat the performance and reliability of the modern Corvettes....especially when modded.....especially for the money.

unagi1

That's not even a valid argument, as the 911T, GT-R, Audi/Lambo<insert VW group car here> were all designed for AWD, and AWD handling is a defining characteristic of how those cars perform.

Apparently this needs repeating, but the C63 is a car that primarily oversteers. This is what I want. How many times do I have to say that adding AWD to such a car will fundamentally change the way it handles and basically ruin that experience

Did you say the C63 is a commuter car?

unagi1

News Flash: RWD and AWD cars drive differently

TT C6

Anyone with a clue knows that the C63 is a commuter car.
It's curb weight and transmission prevents it from being anything else.
If you spent anytime at a track, you would know that.

Saying that AWD prevents fun and oversteer just mean that you have no real world experience with cars equipped with performance AWD.

If you want to be a Fast and Furious drifter, why the hell would anyone buy a C63 instead of a lightweight coupe or a purpose built drift car?
For someone who spent the majority of his teens and 20's inducing oversteer in his daily driver before some ricer coined the name "drifting", a 4,000lb car for drifting just makes me shake my head. And yes, I have experience inducing controlled oversteer on just about everything with tires at this point in my life.

TT C6

Please don't even bring up FWD based econo boxes with transversely mounted 4 cylinder engines on this forum.
This thread is about RWD based cars with REAL engines and performance focused AWD like AMG and Porsche V8 SEDANS.

unagi1

This is starting to play out like a Twilight zone episode. The CLA45 is both AWD and an AMG. Didn't watch the video?

TT C6

Uhhhh......I don't care.
The CLA45/A45 is a JOKE.....and the MSRP is HILLARIOUS.
The only thing "AMG" on that car is the AMG emblem. Nothing on that car is worthy of the AMG name.

PS
I fixed my original post for you in RED for those who may mistake a CLA45 as a real AMG.

unagi1

Of course, you're right. 355 horse out of a 2.0 liter and a factory warranty, that's a huge joke. I mean, who in their right mind runs over 25 pounds of boost out of a 4-banger? Pure engineering insanity, as expected of AMG

natman316

unagi1

awwww....feeding time over already?