kdoyle

Sound "quality" in general is a very personal perspective but I did find it kind of odd that I had to go the Audiocontrol route again. Maybe it's my local audio shop that is the problem What is your setup?

Sanch

Hate to say this but the 2012 E350 W212 with the standard speakers sound better with better base.

RDO247

I just added a mono block and two subs, plenty of bass and no extra components.

It it may just be how your shop does their installs.

auditoamg

I added a Helix 8-channel DSP and a JL monoblock sub amp, with a JL 13T. 😀

And yes, subjective....
I need to spend more time tuning, but it's great so far...
I need to correct time alignment and mid bass.

digitalnav

Is the C63S AMG speaker setup same as a regular W205 with burmester? If so I can call shops to see that have done installs on other c-classes and see what they say

Damon44

I have a JL mono block amp with 600 watts and JL bass wedge from previous BMW that I have arranged to have installed onto new C43 2018.
However the post from kdoyle totally confuses me.
He explains there isn't any bass output from dip.
Is Epicenter necessary?

kdoyle

Based off of other feedback from this thread I might have an installer issue not a bass issue I'm going to drop by the shop this week and try to figure out what is up.

auditoamg

That audio source is unnecessarily.
Plenty of bass when you sum the left and right channels and set the level properly.

milan25

Since we are talking subs does anyone want to buy a JL Audio W6 V3 12". I have 2 planning on putting one in my 63 and selling the other. PM if you guys are interested. It is almost brand new, no real signs of wear.

https://www.crutchfield.com/p_13612W...c&awug=9011377 here is a link to what the sub looks like

kdoyle

Quick update on my system. The Epicenter helped bring some of the bass back but it made everything sound very muddy. It also caused some really funky issues with the Audison.

I finally got around to taking it back to the installer last week and as luck would have it they had just completed a training session with JL on their Fix 82 processor. Evidently a recent software update completely changed how it worked (for the better). My installer previously had nothing but bad luck with them. Now they work amazing.

Long story short - I had them start over from scratch but this time with the JL Fix as the starting point. Now I have massive bass with no need for the Epicenter. Everything is crystal clear and it went from a what I would say was a 3 on a 10 scale to 10/10! So as the blog mentioned in this thread and others have said.....the JL Fix 82 should be your required starting point in upgrading the Burmester system. I still can't get over the difference it made.

luv2sleep

Did you tap into one of the stock subs (door mounted sub) for the signal? Did use a line out converter (LOC) also? I don't know about the "Burm" system but I added a mono amp, LOC, and a sub to the Bose system in my Audi S6 and am very happy with it.
I'm asking since I'm interested in buying a C63S coupe and I need tight bass for my tunes. I hate muffled weak bass.

RDO247

I honestly couldn't tell you how it was wired up sorry.

My tech did all this and I never asked for details.

luv2sleep

Mind sharing how much it cost you to have it installed? Thanks in advance.

Zelvy Carbon

The stock system is crap, once you are over the honeymoon period you start to realise it.. I went Dynaudio footwell woofers, and tweeters Brax Mids Mstrix - Helix V Eight DSP - Helix SPLx amp and 2x Rainbox Germanium GL-S12 .

RDO247

Can you put some pics up of your install.

Im sure everyone would appreciate it.

RDO247

Retail would have been $5-6k plus hardware and I'm in Australia so everything's more expensive than in the States.

Im in the Auto Industry so didn't pay any where near that much.

Got to love Industry discount.

Zelvy Carbon

Will do, once it is finished!

Jenko

We seriously need to catch up RDO247. Along with the engine sound I'm now really keen to hear your sound system! It's really the only thing I'm underwhelmed with about my Ed1 versus my previous M4.

I'm getting the secondary cat mod next week after hearing it for myself last weekend.....can't wait!

RDO247

Ah sweet our car def need some help in the noise department, stereo and exhaust.

Just at Willowbank atm waiting to get to the front of the line for another run down the quarter...

Zelvy Carbon

You going to Jamboree Supercar Sunday then?

luv2sleep

Another disappointment in car audio. Paying nearly $100k for a car should get you a good stereo IMO. I love to hear the exhaust roar during spirited driving but I enjoy listening to my tunes when I'm cruising. The Burm in the 911 TT sounds pretty amazing from what I hear. It's worthwhile $4k option IMO.

DrSchteeve

The analysis in the W205 post ( https://w205audio.wordpress.com/) sounds spot on. DSP (digital signal processor) solves a lot of problems with most stock systems, and a true sub has to be in any system to separate the low bass from the rest of the signal to keep the low-mids clean.

I will be getting my new '17 c63 convertible in a week or two, first thing will be to take it to my audio guy. Will follow the approach described, except I can't imagine leaving all those speakers stock (he only upgrades a pair of 4 inchers and 2 tweeters, I believe, plus adding the sub). Since I already have a DSP, 4 4's and 2 tweeters, and 2 6's, as well as a sub and enclosure, most of my expense is just going to be swapping them out (from my current cars) and tuning, just guessing that will cost me about $2K. If I need an amp I have that already as well.

Nobody should be surprised or upset that the Burmeister isn't great - very, very few stock systems are, even when they are supposedly upgraded with a "name". The best I have had is the Marc Levinson in a Lexus SC430, the only car audio system I didn't think had to have an upgrade, although I have no doubt that it could have been substantially improved.

I don't think it was this thread, but another Burmeister thread, where some Mercedes fanboy gets his or her back up because....huff, huff... how could you improve on the 1000's of hours that Burmeister and Mercedes technicians spent on creating the best system for the car? What a joke. The answer is...(in this case) adding a DSP, a sub, and some better speakers. It's not that hard, although it can be expensive depending on your perspective on expensive. Hey, I just spent $80K on a car, I'm not going to get upset because I have to spend another $5K or so for sound I am happy with. Mercedes, or BMW, Audi, Porsche, or any other high end car manufacturer, aren't building cars for audiophiles, and probably 95% of the people buying high end cars do not care that much about audio.

FDNewbie

Those are some very nice components you went with. Definitely wanna see the pics and your impressions when all is done...

theclutch

Can someone tell me if if I counted the speakers correctly? I have a C63S 1st edition.

I count:
1 front door speaker driver side
1 front door speaker passenger side
1 front center speaker
1 tweeter rear passenger door
1 mid rear passenger door
1 tweeter rear driver side door
1 mid rear driver side door
2 rear shelf
TOTAL = 9 speakers

I don't see anything else? Am I missing something? I'm not seeing the 2 floor based front subwoofers and my front doors only have 1 speaker.

Jeff Whitten

Full list here: https://w205audio.wordpress.com/2016...rmester-audio/

Here’s the speaker array in the W205 Burmester, clockwise from the driver’s side front door.

• 4” midrange & 1” tweeter left front door passive crossover*
• 6” subwoofer left front footwell
• 4” midrange center dash
• 6” subwoofer right passenger footwell
• 4” midrange & 1” tweeter right front door passive
• 4” midrange & 1” tweeter right rear door passive
• 4” midrange left parcel shelf (left surround)
• 4” midrange right parcel shelf (right surround)
• 4” midrange and 1” tweeter left rear door passive