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Ferrari 812 Superfast; Ferrari 458 Spider; AMG C63s Cabriolet; plus others
Bought a $90,000 car and it broke in 10 minutes
So I picked up my 2017 C63S Cab today and the AC broke in 10 min. Blows hot air. I returned and they ran a diagnostic and it needs a new compressor. The entire motor most likely needs to be removed to replace. Needless to say it was a disappointment. It goes back Monday If the part is readily available. I hope this is not a precursor of things to come.
Engine does not need to be removed for the compressor on those cars. We had a brand new C63s coupe, sitting in the showroom, have a compressor fail. Replaced, good as new.
The variable displacement compressors we use now have a small control valve that sticks, causing the compressor to not activate. That's how they fail, but unfortunately the whole compressor must be replaced as benz does not sell the RCV separately. I just did one on a 204 thursday for the same failure.
Ferrari 812 Superfast; Ferrari 458 Spider; AMG C63s Cabriolet; plus others
Originally Posted by ItalianJoe1
Engine does not need to be removed for the compressor on those cars. We had a brand new C63s coupe, sitting in the showroom, have a compressor fail. Replaced, good as new.
The variable displacement compressors we use now have a small control valve that sticks, causing the compressor to not activate. That's how they fail, but unfortunately the whole compressor must be replaced as benz does not sell the RCV separately. I just did one on a 204 thursday for the same failure.
Yes I know things happen. I'm pretty easy going. Nice to know they don't have to drop the engine to replace the compressor. now I just can't wait to get 1000 miles on it so I can rip on it.
Sorry to hear that! It's most likely an isolated issue so as soon as they replace it your car should be fine. Also, why is the C63S badge missing the C in the back?
'17 AMG S63 Convertible, '17 AMG C63S Edition 1 Coupe
Originally Posted by nobbyv
One thing breaks and the car's a lemon?
On Mile 0? If I picked up a car and it had a failure UPON PICK UP, my spidy sense would be alarming. I might let it pass. Second failure shortly thereafter, and it's going back.
Maybe you don't have a lemon, and never have. So maybe you don't know the incredible headache of dealing with an undiagnosed lemon, repair after repair, until you finally put the pieces of the puzzle together than thing, "Oh man...I shoulda walked away a LONG time ago..."
Again, not saying it's definitely a lemon, but I'd have a very low threshold to move in that direction, especially after 2-3 malfunctions in a short period of time when the car is BRAND NEW.
Also, there's a lot to be said about the headache of having to take the car in repeatedly for repairs...
On Mile 0? If I picked up a car and it had a failure UPON PICK UP, my spidy sense would be alarming. I might let it pass. Second failure shortly thereafter, and it's going back.
Maybe you don't have a lemon, and never have. So maybe you don't know the incredible headache of dealing with an undiagnosed lemon, repair after repair, until you finally put the pieces of the puzzle together than thing, "Oh man...I shoulda walked away a LONG time ago..."
Again, not saying it's definitely a lemon, but I'd have a very low threshold to move in that direction, especially after 2-3 malfunctions in a short period of time when the car is BRAND NEW.
Also, there's a lot to be said about the headache of having to take the car in repeatedly for repairs...
Whose car has had 2-3 malfunctions? Not OP's. My entire point was it's foolish to deem a car a lemon because it's had ONE failure. Whether it happens at mile 0 or mile 20,001 is immaterial.
'17 AMG S63 Convertible, '17 AMG C63S Edition 1 Coupe
Originally Posted by nobbyv
Whose car has had 2-3 malfunctions? Not OP's. My entire point was it's foolish to deem a car a lemon because it's had ONE failure. Whether it happens at mile 0 or mile 20,001 is immaterial.
Then apparently you're not familiar with PA's Lemon Law (the laws vary by state). Because specifically in PA, it is *absolutely* material at what mileage your failures occur. Per PA Code, any defect that 1) significantly decreases the car's resale value, 2) makes the car unsafe to drive and likely to cause a serious injury or death, or 3) impacts the normal functions of the car must be repaired by the manufacturer, provided the defect falls:
- Within 1 year of the vehicle ownership
- Before the vehicle's odometer reaches 12,000 miles
- While the express warranty is still valid
If within this period, the defect has not been rectified after a reasonable number of attempts to repair, or if the vehicle is out of service for a total of 30 days or more, the PA Lemon Law may apply, potentially making you eligible for a replacement vehicle of the same value or a full refund.
So to simply dismiss the possibility of the car being a lemon is irresponsible. I'm not saying it definitely is, but if there's a defect at 0 miles, it behooves you to begin maintaining detailed records from the get-go. Otherwise, you may find that you haven't kept appropriate records to make the necessary claim if the situation develops to that point...
Ferrari 812 Superfast; Ferrari 458 Spider; AMG C63s Cabriolet; plus others
I tried to lemon law an escalade that's had a very noticeable paint color difference on the rear quarter panel. the dealer repainted it and it was worse. Repainted again and the paint started falling off in short order. Repainted again and I started lemon law discussions but it was going to cost
money and I dropped it.
They are picking up the car today and we'll see what happens. I need my missing C replaced too.
Then apparently you're not familiar with PA's Lemon Law (the laws vary by state). Because specifically in PA, it is *absolutely* material at what mileage your failures occur. Per PA Code, any defect that 1) significantly decreases the car's resale value, 2) makes the car unsafe to drive and likely to cause a serious injury or death, or 3) impacts the normal functions of the car must be repaired by the manufacturer, provided the defect falls:
- Within 1 year of the vehicle ownership
- Before the vehicle's odometer reaches 12,000 miles
- While the express warranty is still valid
If within this period, the defect has not been rectified after a reasonable number of attempts to repair, or if the vehicle is out of service for a total of 30 days or more, the PA Lemon Law may apply, potentially making you eligible for a replacement vehicle of the same value or a full refund.
So to simply dismiss the possibility of the car being a lemon is irresponsible. I'm not saying it definitely is, but if there's a defect at 0 miles, it behooves you to begin maintaining detailed records from the get-go. Otherwise, you may find that you haven't kept appropriate records to make the necessary claim if the situation develops to that point...
Thanks, I'm actually fairly familiar with Lemon Laws. And, once again, you're failing to grasp the salient point: OP has had one defect, with one attempt at correcting it. One. Not three. One. Your original reply smacks of the kind of knee-jerk overreaction that causes our court systems to be overrun with frivolous lawsuits. OP has an issue with his new car. It sucks; I get it. But it's a simple issue, with a simple fix. MB will make it right, and OP will go on with his life and enjoy his new car. I suggest we all do the same, and keep the "Can you say Lemon?" comments to ourselves. It's inappropriate, and does no one any good.
Sorry to hear that! It's most likely an isolated issue so as soon as they replace it your car should be fine. Also, why is the C63S badge missing the C in the back?
Good pick up !!!
Originally Posted by 89vette
I don't know! I Didn't notice!! Ugh.
Originally Posted by 89vette
I tried to lemon law an escalade that's had a very noticeable paint color difference on the rear quarter panel. the dealer repainted it and it was worse. Repainted again and the paint started falling off in short order. Repainted again and I started lemon law discussions but it was going to cost
money and I dropped it.
They are picking up the car today and we'll see what happens. I need my missing C replaced too.
Congrats on the car, I really do hope you do not have more "incidences" these 2 upon pick of a brand new expensive Merc are enough...
Originally Posted by BD-C63
I'm more surprised by the missing "C", how the heck does that happen?
Exactly what I was thinking upon reading this thread, how the hell did that pass both production and later dealer inspections and prep on the car ????
'17 AMG S63 Convertible, '17 AMG C63S Edition 1 Coupe
Originally Posted by nobbyv
Thanks, I'm actually fairly familiar with Lemon Laws. And, once again, you're failing to grasp the salient point: OP has had one defect, with one attempt at correcting it. One. Not three. One. Your original reply smacks of the kind of knee-jerk overreaction that causes our court systems to be overrun with frivolous lawsuits.
And you're exaggerating. Did I say "OMG your car is a POS lemon; you better take it back and make them give you a new car or sue them!" ? No. It was merely a suggestion that he keep in mind. And the missing "C" in the back again makes me wonder just how good of a job did they do with the pre-delivery inspection before shipping the car out from the factory...
OP has an issue with his new car. It sucks; I get it. But it's a simple issue, with a simple fix. MB will make it right, and OP will go on with his life and enjoy his new car. I suggest we all do the same, and keep the "Can you say Lemon?" comments to ourselves. It's inappropriate, and does no one any good.
It's a public board and I'm free to express my comments to others, just like you're free to voice your comment and opinions as well. If you don't wanna read them, ignore, move on, or don't come to the forum. But don't act like the Internet Police because you disagree with my post.
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I don't know! I Didn't notice!! Ugh.
