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Old 03-16-2019, 09:32 PM
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Tune then Pipes, E85, Got it Dyno'd

Modding the Estate and along the way Dyno each step.
All figures are rear wheel numbers on the same mainline dyno calibrated the same way in 4th Gear.
Australian 98 Octane Fuel with 15% blend of E85. We are going to keep adding more E85 and watch the AFR's. The stock fuel system might be able to handle 30% E85.. wait and see.
Tune is Alientech, Ktag System and Pipes are Mikes with 200 cell Gesi 7530's

Tune only 371 KW and 725 NM's
Tune with dump pipes 350 KW and 1016 NM's or 753 Foot Pound


Dyno operator put the wrong details on the second result but the figures are correct.
Massive increase of NM's with pipes but KW's down...??
AFR's look rich on the second lot and have a engine light on due to the secondary cat sensor's not being installed due to fitment issues, getting sorted this week.
Think if it's not so rich in fuel, same as the first dyno result this thing should make some good numbers and be capable of a 10 second 1/4 mile.
Spoke with local MB dealer who see lots of modified AMG cars and service manger advised the ECU will limit power due to the above issue. Will be interesting to see if he is right.
Going to order a ARMA Speed air intake today and have 295 30 19 Toyo R888R's to go on the rear. Got Michelin PSS on now and they are not up to it.
Will wait till sensor issue sorted and the new intake installed and dyno again with the same rubber that's on it now.


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Modding the Estate and along the way Dyno each step.
All figures are rear wheel numbers on the same mainline dyno calibrated the same way in 4th Gear.
Australian 98 Octane Fuel with 15% blend of E85. We are going to keep adding more E85 and watch the AFR's. The stock fuel system might be able to handle 30% E85.. what and see.
Tune is Alientech, Ktag System and Pipes are Mikes with 200 cell Gesi 7530's

Tune only 371 KW and 725 NM's
Tune with dump pipes 350 KW and 1016 NM's or 753 Foot Pound


Dyno operator put the wrong details on the second result but the figures are correct.
Massive increase of NM's with pipes but KW's down...??
AFR's look rich on the second lot and have a engine light on due to the secondary cat sensor's not being installed due to fitment issues, getting sorted this week.
Think if it's not so rich in fuel, same as the first dyno result this thing should make some good numbers and be capable of a 10 second 1/4 mile.
Spoke with local MB dealer who see lots of modified AMG cars and service manger advised the ECU will limit power due to the above issue. Will be interesting to see if he is right.
Going to order a ARMA Speed air intake today and have 295 30 19 Toyo R888R's to go on the rear. Got Michelin PSS on now and they are not up to it.
Will wait till sensor issue sorted and the new intake installed and dyno again with the same rubber that's on it now.
You should checkout Zac Composite Carbon Intakes located in Queensland Australia.


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You should checkout Zac Composite Carbon Intakes located in Queensland Australia.
beautiful looking intakes but their website isnít ready for prime time.
Hope they get it going with the worldwide shipping they have a link for.
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Do you know if getting an intake like that voids warranty as well?
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Take the e85 out of the tank and re-dyno with just pump 98 and watch your figures raise

Do not make the mistake of thinking e85 will work in your car because it will NOT
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beautiful looking intakes but their website isnít ready for prime time.
Hope they get it going with the worldwide shipping they have a link for.
Find them on ig zaccomposites. Ive been talking to them and theyre saying they will start taking deposits towards the end of the month.
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Hey guys, Just DM me if you are interested. We start production runs soon (before was limited runs)
Website should have more updates in the coming weeks also.
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Take the e85 out of the tank and re-dyno with just pump 98 and watch your figures raise

Do not make the mistake of thinking e85 will work in your car because it will NOT
Have you done testing.... if so please share your findings.

We have, and it picked up around 4% with 15% of E85 in it. The ECU will advance some timing when seeing better octane and adjust the AFR's to suit.
Have been using E85 on many different modified cars for years now. Love the stuff, throw heaps more timing and boost into the tunes and so easy to make power without any sign of detonation with the down fall of using about 24% more of E85 compared to 98.
My Ford FPV F6 runs 430rwkw and over 1000nm's with pure E85 on a stock turbo. Not bad for a 4lt inline 6. Car runs low 10's all-day.




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Have you done testing.... if so please share your findings.

We have, and it picked up around 4% with 15% of E85 in it. The ECU will advance some timing when seeing better octane and adjust the AFR's to suit.
Have been using E85 on many different modified cars for years now. Love the stuff, throw heaps more timing and boost into the tunes and so easy to make power without any sign of detonation with the down fall of using about 24% more of E85 compared to 98.
My Ford FPV F6 runs 430rwkw and over 1000nm's with pure E85 on a stock turbo. Not bad for a 4lt inline 6. Car runs low 10's all-day.




1. Your car is not a ford its a merc
2. your ford does not have direct injection your merc does
3. your fuel pump is not to e85 standards

We have multiply C63s running around Australia with 500wkw on pump 98 fuel on M177 platform E85 requires you to run HPFP which you do not have your c63 also your fuel lines need to be changed as they dont have enough volume for e85
Your car is rich because the e85 is so dense your ECU doesnt know WTF its doing

Your car is plenty capable of making 500+ on pump 98 and if you want more power then you have ms109 there is not 1 tuner out there at the moment that has a high powered C63S on e85 fuel dont reinvent the wheel you will risk your engine
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The first dyno result is with the blend of E85 and the AFR's are sweet.
The second are crap due to no secondary cat sensors.
I understand about direct injection and NO way I would use more than 30% E85 to the lines/pump not up to it as stated in my first post.
The burger guys are tuning with a blend of E85... and seeing good results.
The 500wkw C63s 177's you have running around what mods they have ?
1. Turbo's
2. Intake
3. Water / Meth injection
4. Tune
5. Any drive-line mods, Box and Diff ??
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Those Zac intakes look OK... might have to go that way.

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Not all dynos read the same but we have tune only cars making 380wkw 400wkw with downpipes

We have cars out there on stock downpipes with pure stage 1 making 450wkw we have cars out there on pure stage 1 with downpipes making 470wkw my partner in Sydney has 500wkw c63s running around

You dont need a blend bud all you need is a good tune

Check out Dyne Performance and International Auto Haus we tune these cars on a daily basis
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Originally Posted by mr747 View Post
1. Your car is not a ford its a merc
2. your ford does not have direct injection your merc does
3. your fuel pump is not to e85 standards

We have multiply C63s running around Australia with 500wkw on pump 98 fuel on M177 platform E85 requires you to run HPFP which you do not have your c63 also your fuel lines need to be changed as they dont have enough volume for e85
Your car is rich because the e85 is so dense your ECU doesnt know WTF its doing

Your car is plenty capable of making 500+ on pump 98 and if you want more power then you have ms109 there is not 1 tuner out there at the moment that has a high powered C63S on e85 fuel dont reinvent the wheel you will risk your engine
I ran a e30 blend on my s4 with direct injection without issue, even untuned. Actually my s4 was one of the top 10 quickest/fastest in the world and all of the other guys on that list used either an eblend or race fuel as well.
Any fuel pump works with ethanol, however once you run more than a certain % blend you will need a higher flowing pump to provide the addiotional volume required for ethanol. Ecuís will adapt and adjust lambda for ethanol content variance in fuel up to a certain limit set by the manufacturer or tuner or course. Iím currently up to 2 gallons of e85 per tank of 91 without any issues and have better performance, even untuned.
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I ran a e30 blend on my s4 with direct injection without issue, even untuned. Actually my s4 was one of the top 10 quickest/fastest in the world and all of the other guys on that list used either an eblend or race fuel as well.
Any fuel pump works with ethanol, however once you run more than a certain % blend you will need a higher flowing pump to provide the addiotional volume required for ethanol. Ecuís will adapt and adjust lambda for ethanol content variance in fuel up to a certain limit set by the manufacturer or tuner or course. Iím currently up to 2 gallons of e85 per tank of 91 without any issues and have better performance, even untuned.
ok good luck with it
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