The Next C63
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The Next C63
Guess its official now.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/futu...g-wheel-drive/
The new mid-engine, rear drive corvette is drawing my interest. Just hope it doesn't come with a Hertz interior.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/futu...g-wheel-drive/
The new mid-engine, rear drive corvette is drawing my interest. Just hope it doesn't come with a Hertz interior.
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Worse news in this recent article: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/i...ll-wheel-drive
The impending emissions regulations mean that the future of the V8 in some smaller variants is under threat, with the next C63 looking more likely to use a downsized turbocharged six-cylinder unit. When asked about that, Moers paused and said: “There is room for speculation there.”
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That's not really why these kinds of cars go AWD. It's about being able to put down the power effectively even on bone dry roads and the drift mode gives you full on RWD for hooning around. Nobody buys a Lamborghini Huracan as their winter car. An AWD high performance car has its charm. I live in Northern California and unless I decide to go up to the mountains, snow is only something I see on pictures, but I've thoroughly enjoyed the rear-biased quattro system in my current RS5. There's a level of confidence and enjoyment that comes with actually being able to use all the power the car makes blasting down my favorite canyon road and just brushing off gravel or wet spots on the road. I do enjoy RWD, and I'm looking forward to being back in an RWD, but to be honest, I wish the current C63S came with the 4Matic+ system from the E63.
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I drive my C63S all year round in Toronto and although it "gets by" fine with snow tires, I'm definitely not "owning the snow" like I would with an AWD.
I do enjoy sliding around in the snow with RWD and having some fun, but sometimes I want to go to where I'm going quickly and safely instead.
With an AWD system that can go into "drift mode", I would have the best of both worlds. Totally on board with this!
I do enjoy sliding around in the snow with RWD and having some fun, but sometimes I want to go to where I'm going quickly and safely instead.
With an AWD system that can go into "drift mode", I would have the best of both worlds. Totally on board with this!
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4Matic+ with drift mode is the best of both worlds. These cars already weigh so much with RWD, I don't see any issue with adding 100-150lbs to the curb weight in order to drive the front axles.
RWD is a ton of fun, but there are times I wish I could get all the power down in the lower gears... especially tuned. Give us drift mode and everyone is happy.
Now if the V8 is gone... well that's a problem. To me, that's the only differentiation from the competition (all 6 cylinder turbos). If they move to a 6 cylinder, I don't see any reason why anyone would buy it over an M4, RS5, Giulia, etc.
RWD is a ton of fun, but there are times I wish I could get all the power down in the lower gears... especially tuned. Give us drift mode and everyone is happy.
Now if the V8 is gone... well that's a problem. To me, that's the only differentiation from the competition (all 6 cylinder turbos). If they move to a 6 cylinder, I don't see any reason why anyone would buy it over an M4, RS5, Giulia, etc.
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4matic+ and EQ boost for the v8tt makes sense for the top spec c class, I would be disappointed if they dropped it for the straight six. kind of moot since im planning on grabbing a 2020, but the v8 in a compact package is a large part of the appeal of the c63 to me. no problem with a straight 6 option but to make it the top spec available and exclude the v8 to the 100k+ cars seems like a mistake to me.
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Completely agree. My purchase was because of the V8 and the V8 alone.
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I've thought about this a lot and can't land on a single car that I'd actually like to replace the C63 with. Everything seems compromised in some way by not having a V8 and/or not having the daily practicality. I can't do the two-seat sports car thing anymore.
AMG will probably never make an E63 coupe since it would cannibalize the S63 coupe and wouldn't be a big sales hit either. The BMW M850i (and possibly M8, if they make one) is the only seriously interesting car out there other than the C63 for me at the moment but it's 500 lbs heavier and $40k more than the C63, which is a heavy car itself.
I won't say I would never drive a C63 with a hybrid + six-cylinder, but it would definitely make me take a harder look at other cars out there first. Right now the only other car I would consider is the Audi RS5. The M4's interior feels dated and I hate how that car sounds, both inside and out. The Giulia needs another generation or two and foldable rear seats.
AMG will probably never make an E63 coupe since it would cannibalize the S63 coupe and wouldn't be a big sales hit either. The BMW M850i (and possibly M8, if they make one) is the only seriously interesting car out there other than the C63 for me at the moment but it's 500 lbs heavier and $40k more than the C63, which is a heavy car itself.
I won't say I would never drive a C63 with a hybrid + six-cylinder, but it would definitely make me take a harder look at other cars out there first. Right now the only other car I would consider is the Audi RS5. The M4's interior feels dated and I hate how that car sounds, both inside and out. The Giulia needs another generation or two and foldable rear seats.
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I like to tell myself that they wont downgrade to a V6 in the 63s. Wouldnt make sense to introduce the 43 with a V6 if they were going to downgrade the 63 to a V6 as well.. Either way no V8 = goodbye amg
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Why is everyone saying that a 6-cylinder is a "downgrade"? Did I mistakenly log into a Camaro/Corvette/Silverado forum? You'd rather have a V8 than a better performing 6-cylinder simply because it's has 2 more cylinders? Aside from the sound, that makes no sense.
All I'd care about is that the power/torque delivery is there when needed, no matter how many cylinders it's coming from. And I doubt AMG would be switching to a hybrid 6-cylinder if the new engine wasn't a better performing package than the current M177.
All I'd care about is that the power/torque delivery is there when needed, no matter how many cylinders it's coming from. And I doubt AMG would be switching to a hybrid 6-cylinder if the new engine wasn't a better performing package than the current M177.
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Why is everyone saying that a 6-cylinder is a "downgrade"? Did I mistakenly log into a Camaro/Corvette/Silverado forum? You'd rather have a V8 than a better performing 6-cylinder simply because it's has 2 more cylinders? Aside from the sound, that makes no sense.
All I'd care about is that the power/torque delivery is there when needed, no matter how many cylinders it's coming from. And I doubt AMG would be switching to a hybrid 6-cylinder if the new engine wasn't a better performing package than the current M177.
All I'd care about is that the power/torque delivery is there when needed, no matter how many cylinders it's coming from. And I doubt AMG would be switching to a hybrid 6-cylinder if the new engine wasn't a better performing package than the current M177.
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Why is everyone saying that a 6-cylinder is a "downgrade"? Did I mistakenly log into a Camaro/Corvette/Silverado forum? You'd rather have a V8 than a better performing 6-cylinder simply because it's has 2 more cylinders? Aside from the sound, that makes no sense.
All I'd care about is that the power/torque delivery is there when needed, no matter how many cylinders it's coming from. And I doubt AMG would be switching to a hybrid 6-cylinder if the new engine wasn't a better performing package than the current M177.
All I'd care about is that the power/torque delivery is there when needed, no matter how many cylinders it's coming from. And I doubt AMG would be switching to a hybrid 6-cylinder if the new engine wasn't a better performing package than the current M177.
My prediction is that we'll see various trim levels next generation, ie; C53/C63/C73. C53 with the new inline-6 and EQ boost, C63 with a turbocharged V8, C73 with turbocharged V8 + EQ boost.
There's no question all models will be AWD, especially as it becomes evident that BMW is going to AWD for the M3/M4 (ala M5).
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Because it's an AMG? V8's have defined the entire brand. There are lots of 6 cylinders that more than outperform the M177, but they lack emotion and sound - that sound and the engine is what convinced me to put my money down on a C63S.
My prediction is that we'll see various trim levels next generation, ie; C53/C63/C73. C53 with the new inline-6 and EQ boost, C63 with a turbocharged V8, C73 with turbocharged V8 + EQ boost.
There's no question all models will be AWD, especially as it becomes evident that BMW is going to AWD for the M3/M4 (ala M5).
My prediction is that we'll see various trim levels next generation, ie; C53/C63/C73. C53 with the new inline-6 and EQ boost, C63 with a turbocharged V8, C73 with turbocharged V8 + EQ boost.
There's no question all models will be AWD, especially as it becomes evident that BMW is going to AWD for the M3/M4 (ala M5).
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Why is everyone saying that a 6-cylinder is a "downgrade"? Did I mistakenly log into a Camaro/Corvette/Silverado forum? You'd rather have a V8 than a better performing 6-cylinder simply because it's has 2 more cylinders? Aside from the sound, that makes no sense.
All I'd care about is that the power/torque delivery is there when needed, no matter how many cylinders it's coming from. And I doubt AMG would be switching to a hybrid 6-cylinder if the new engine wasn't a better performing package than the current M177.
All I'd care about is that the power/torque delivery is there when needed, no matter how many cylinders it's coming from. And I doubt AMG would be switching to a hybrid 6-cylinder if the new engine wasn't a better performing package than the current M177.
if I wanted a very high strung,high power 6 cylinder it certainly wouldn’t be a Mercedes.
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I've got to say that the V8 is certainly a big factor, however, there are good sounding 6 cylinder out there and if anyone can make one sound great and emotional, then AMG. I do feel they'll have to step up the game, though. I don't find the C43 is there with the sound. A good sounding 6 cylinder is the Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio for example or the Jag F-Type. However, I've posted this on the similar thread in the C43 forum, V8 or not, these cars will get quieter. Aside from fuel economy standards, the EU has also passed and put in effect much stricter exhaust noise regulations. The limit used to be 85 db (A), but in 2016 a new law went into effect that lowered it to 74 and it will get progressively lower until 2026 when the limit will be 68. Pops and bangs will be a thing of the past at least with the street modes. Race may add them back, but if you get caught in Europe driving in Race mode on the streets, they'll confiscate your car. They are already cracking down in places like Hamburg if they catch you driving in the city with the valves open.
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Because it's an AMG? V8's have defined the entire brand. There are lots of 6 cylinders that more than outperform the M177, but they lack emotion and sound - that sound and the engine is what convinced me to put my money down on a C63S.
My prediction is that we'll see various trim levels next generation, ie; C53/C63/C73. C53 with the new inline-6 and EQ boost, C63 with a turbocharged V8, C73 with turbocharged V8 + EQ boost.
There's no question all models will be AWD, especially as it becomes evident that BMW is going to AWD for the M3/M4 (ala M5).
My prediction is that we'll see various trim levels next generation, ie; C53/C63/C73. C53 with the new inline-6 and EQ boost, C63 with a turbocharged V8, C73 with turbocharged V8 + EQ boost.
There's no question all models will be AWD, especially as it becomes evident that BMW is going to AWD for the M3/M4 (ala M5).
So are you trying to say the 65 models are not "true AMG" cars because they have a V12?
Nothing with AMG's brand is directly defined to the V8 engine. Nothing. A hand-built engine? Yes. A muscle car persona when compared to its competitors? Absolutely yes. But none of that it tied to a V8. This time 5 years ago people were moaning that the M177 wasn't a true AMG because it has a smaller displacement turbo engine instead of a larger displacement N/A engine. They also complained because the "pops and crackles" from the exhaust were manufactured instead of being real. And look how opinions have since changed. We now have discussions on here dedicated to not wanting to lose those manufactured sounds.
The brand has very much evolved over the years from it's tuner roots to what it is now, and it will continue to evolve. There's no stopping that.
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Nothing with AMG's brand is directly defined to the V8 engine. Nothing. A hand-built engine? Yes. A muscle car persona when compared to its competitors? Absolutely yes. But none of that it tied to a V8. This time 5 years ago people were moaning that the M177 wasn't a true AMG because it has a smaller displacement turbo engine instead of a larger displacement N/A engine. They also complained because the "pops and crackles" from the exhaust were manufactured instead of being real. And look how opinions have since changed.
Also for the record I’ve never heard anyone complain about pops and crackles. Only complaints that’s there’s not more of them.
It’d be a huge mistake for AMG to skip a V8 in the next C63.
