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Old Apr 10, 2023 | 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by benzbell
I'd imagine just a bit of tweaking on the ECU. They had to do something to sell this overpriced hunk. Stickers and a car cover isn't going to be enough.
I agree, it’s way overpriced but weren’t you considering getting an FE if your custom build falls through? I don’t think it made sense when you mentioned that because your build had several options which are missing on the FE, and you can get a non-FE dealer build at MSRP which is much more in line with your build for $25-30k less.

It still remains to be seen if the non FE has the same sound
I believe someone here who owns a 2023 non-FE or heard one in person, posted that they have the same muted sound as previous model year FL’s.
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Old Apr 11, 2023 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by RavenM6
I agree, it’s way overpriced but weren’t you considering getting an FE if your custom build falls through? I don’t think it made sense when you mentioned that because your build had several options which are missing on the FE, and you can get a non-FE dealer build at MSRP which is much more in line with your build for $25-30k less.



I believe someone here who owns a 2023 non-FE or heard one in person, posted that they have the same muted sound as previous model year FL’s.
FE is pretty loaded and has everything I wanted in my build except Carbon Pack 1 & 2, night package and ventilated seats. I can live without those. Everything else is a must. If I can find a spec close to what I ordered or with nothing less than the FE then I'll go that route. If not, then I'll have to get an FE. Who knows by that time there may be a 10-15K discount off sticker on the FE. I just don't see these moving right now and/or in the future without some sort of price adjustment. I guess I'll wait and see what happens.

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Old Apr 11, 2023 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by RavenM6
Comgrats! You were one of the few lucky ones who actually managed to secure an allocation and spec your build exactly how you wanted. From what I was told by more than one MB sales rep, most of the non-FE C63S allocations were handed out to dealers in Q4 2022 around the time you grabbed yours. From what I’ve seen, most dealers chose to use them as dealer builds rather than customer builds.

Do mind sharing pics and what options you spec’d your build with? I read your only other post, I too was curious to know how many non-FE’s the US dealers were allocated besides the 100 FE’s that’ve been made public, but I can’t find any info at all other than it’s a pretty limited run. I would assume it has to be well over 100 otherwise they’d be even more limited than FE’s.
Thanks for the feedback RavenM6. It’s definitely something I’m wondering about where the non-FE numbers are versus the FE. Maybe someone who has access to the database can chime in on actual numbers of vehicles.

As well, here is some of the build info on my 2023 C63S
818 MANUFAKTUR Graphite Grey Magno
858 Magma Grey/Black Nappa Leather w/Yellow Stitching
737 Natural Grain Black Ash Wood Center Console
B07 AMG Ceramic Composite Front Braking System
B26 AMG Aerodynamics Package
256 AMG Track Pace
401 Ventilated Front Seats
555 AMG Performance Seats
19" Front/20" Rear AMG Forged Cross-Spoke Wheels, Black
DA2 Driver Assistance Package
DA3 Parking Assistance Package
DA5 Multimedia Package
DC1 AMG Night Package

I see so much Carbon Fiber on these cars I wanted to keep it a little simpler and cleaner for my tastes. As well I wanted to maintain a sense of luxury on the interior and kept it uniform in grey/black/aluminum & silver tones highlighted with a racing touch from the yellow trim.

Here are some photos, what the dealer sent me before shipping and a quick one or two once I got it. I’ll add more once I’m back with the car. Had to go away on work.







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Old Apr 11, 2023 | 04:11 PM
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You stole my black ash trim, LoL! I had wanted that on my build and it wasn't available so I went with carbon, which is fine,
but I kind of liked the ash for the same reasons you stated. Congrats!!
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Old Apr 11, 2023 | 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by benzbell
FE is pretty loaded and has everything I wanted in my build except Carbon Pack 1 & 2, night package and ventilated seats. I can live without those. Everything else is a must. If I can find a spec close to what I ordered or with nothing less than the FE then I'll go that route. If not, then I'll have to get an FE. Who knows by that time there may be a 10-15K discount off sticker on the FE. I just don't see these moving right now and/or in the future without some sort of price adjustment. I guess I'll wait and see what happens.
There’s several non-FE’s that meet your build requirements, if the Carbon I and II packages aren’t mandatory. I passed on two magno graphite grays, one at MSRP and one $5k over but could probably get negotiated down to MSRP. One had everything but ceramic brakes and the DA2 package. The other had almost everything except ceramic brakes and the carbon packages, which is close to the FE build for $30k less. PM me if you want to look into them, and I hope your build goes through!
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Old Apr 11, 2023 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by AddMoreGas
Thanks for the feedback RavenM6. It’s definitely something I’m wondering about where the non-FE numbers are versus the FE. Maybe someone who has access to the database can chime in on actual numbers of vehicles.

As well, here is some of the build info on my 2023 C63S
818 MANUFAKTUR Graphite Grey Magno
858 Magma Grey/Black Nappa Leather w/Yellow Stitching
737 Natural Grain Black Ash Wood Center Console
B07 AMG Ceramic Composite Front Braking System
B26 AMG Aerodynamics Package
256 AMG Track Pace
401 Ventilated Front Seats
555 AMG Performance Seats
19" Front/20" Rear AMG Forged Cross-Spoke Wheels, Black
DA2 Driver Assistance Package
DA3 Parking Assistance Package
DA5 Multimedia Package
DC1 AMG Night Package

I see so much Carbon Fiber on these cars I wanted to keep it a little simpler and cleaner for my tastes. As well I wanted to maintain a sense of luxury on the interior and kept it uniform in grey/black/aluminum & silver tones highlighted with a racing touch from the yellow trim.

Here are some photos, what the dealer sent me before shipping and a quick one or two once I got it. I’ll add more once I’m back with the car. Had to go away on work.





Gorgeous spec’d beast you have there! Mine will be identical except with all 3 carbon options and HUD. Is there a reason why you passed on the HUD? I’ve had one in all of my BMW’s and ‘21 C63S, so it’s now a must have option for me.

Yeah I’m hoping someone with access to the build database can chime in if any info on non-FE production numbers are available. I’m curious to know what both the US and worldwide numbers are, as we already know the global FE number is 499.

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Old Apr 11, 2023 | 08:35 PM
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Nice spec, but I have to say, wood in this kind of car seems out of place. I've had loaners with the black ash and not my cup of tea, but to each their own. I do understand that CF has been a bit overdone in recent years, but it's still the material one expects in a sport/performance car, hence why I opted for all the carbon packages.

As for the HUD, the biggest issue is that they don't work with polarized sunglasses. I find in the FL it doesn't add much if anything with the digital instrument cluster. It's easy to see the shift lights in the cluster and with the Supersport layout all the important things are front and center with easy to read fonts and colors. The only thing the HUD offers that is not found in the instrument cluster is showing the braking zones when using Track Pace, but again, since I wear polarized sunglasses it's a bit useless. In all the cars so far I've driven that have a HUD I ended up turning it off. During the day the polarized sunglasses made it useless and at night it actually bothered me having stuff glowing in my line of sight. I really don't need to constantly see my speed looking out the windshield. I rarely even look at the speedometer, because I judge my speed by the seat of my pants and in relation to other traffic.
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Old Apr 11, 2023 | 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by RavenM6
There’s several non-FE’s that meet your build requirements, if the Carbon I and II packages aren’t mandatory. I passed on two magno graphite grays, one at MSRP and one $5k over but could probably get negotiated down to MSRP. One had everything but ceramic brakes and the DA2 package. The other had almost everything except ceramic brakes and the carbon packages, which is close to the FE build for $30k less. PM me if you want to look into them, and I hope your build goes through!
Thanks. This will be my tenth AMG product and a fair amount came from this dealer. So I need to wait a couple more weeks before I do anything in relation to a plan b. As per them they said it could take a month or so to know for sure and I'm about halfway through that right now.
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Old Apr 12, 2023 | 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by superswiss
Nice spec, but I have to say, wood in this kind of car seems out of place. I've had loaners with the black ash and not my cup of tea, but to each their own. I do understand that CF has been a bit overdone in recent years, but it's still the material one expects in a sport/performance car, hence why I opted for all the carbon packages.

As for the HUD, the biggest issue is that they don't work with polarized sunglasses. I find in the FL it doesn't add much if anything with the digital instrument cluster. It's easy to see the shift lights in the cluster and with the Supersport layout all the important things are front and center with easy to read fonts and colors. The only thing the HUD offers that is not found in the instrument cluster is showing the braking zones when using Track Pace, but again, since I wear polarized sunglasses it's a bit useless. In all the cars so far I've driven that have a HUD I ended up turning it off. During the day the polarized sunglasses made it useless and at night it actually bothered me having stuff glowing in my line of sight. I really don't need to constantly see my speed looking out the windshield. I rarely even look at the speedometer, because I judge my speed by the seat of my pants and in relation to other traffic.
Yes I remember back in 2021 when I was about to buy a ‘21 C63S without the HUD, you had explained it was useless with polarized glasses. I too wear polarized sunglasses and can still somewhat see my HUDs with my Oakley, but I also do a fair amount of night driving when I can enjoy the full effect of HUD. I’m so used to having a HUD and not having to glance down at the cluster for my speed, that it’s a must have option for me now. I’m curious if @AddMoreGas skipped the HUD option for similar reasons as you.
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Old Apr 12, 2023 | 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by benzbell
Thanks. This will be my tenth AMG product and a fair amount came from this dealer. So I need to wait a couple more weeks before I do anything in relation to a plan b. As per them they said it could take a month or so to know for sure and I'm about halfway through that right now.
That’s great! If anyone should be able to score an allocation at this stage of the game, it should be you considering how many AMG’s you’ve owned. I hope your build goes through and there won’t be a need for a plan b!
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Old Apr 15, 2023 | 06:12 AM
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Old Apr 15, 2023 | 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by RavenM6
That’s great! If anyone should be able to score an allocation at this stage of the game, it should be you considering how many AMG’s you’ve owned. I hope your build goes through and there won’t be a need for a plan b!
Well, I was told yesterday after them trying for several weeks it's not going to happen. A new GM came in a couple of days ago and GM will make some calls next week as a last ditch effort but don't get your hopes up. SA pulled up three similarly specced cars to mine he could get on a dealer trade but each one was too much of a compromise for me. Closest thing out there that I could accept spec wise is a FE for now. Even at MSRP for a FE, I'm not prepared to pay 36K for blue sky the more I think about it. Not sure what I'm going to do at this point. Guess I'll ponder if for a while and figure something out.
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Old Apr 16, 2023 | 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RavenM6
The FL C63’s were muted and if I’m not mistaken, all FL V8 models were muted. If you’re saying it’s really loud, that’s normal for a cold start. From what I’ve been reading, only the FE’s have the unmuted PFL sound back, the non FE’s retain the FL sound. The C63s also has an EVM available, I had an ASR module on my 2021 which is the basically the same module that Renntech offers. As you know from your GT R, it helps with keeping the flaps open at all times but you won’t get the (excessive to some) PFL pops and bangs.

Have you gotten your car wrapped in PPF yet? I’m really curious to see what the matte wrap looks like as I’m getting the same color. I haven’t decided yet if I’ll go with a clear or stealth PPF.
Haven't gotten around to ppf wrapping the car yet, but I definitely am getting it stealth ppf'd in a month. I believe clear ppf will make the matte paint look gloss. There was a similar post here about someone with a magno selenite grey who clear wrapped and it became gloss and vise versa. Also on the GTR side, someone clear wrapped a Green Hell Magno paint job and it became a pretty awesome gloss. That color started to show more gold elements in the paint. So I guess you can't go wrong with either - but I like the stock stealth look of the C63S.

Paint continues to surprise me with how it reflects light.
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Old Apr 16, 2023 | 02:56 AM
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Well, I was told yesterday after them trying for several weeks it's not going to happen. A new GM came in a couple of days ago and GM will make some calls next week as a last ditch effort but don't get your hopes up. SA pulled up three similarly specced cars to mine he could get on a dealer trade but each one was too much of a compromise for me. Closest thing out there that I could accept spec wise is a FE for now. Even at MSRP for a FE, I'm not prepared to pay 36K for blue sky the more I think about it. Not sure what I'm going to do at this point. Guess I'll ponder if for a while and figure something out.
Can you describe shortly the spec you are after?
i guess the 3 main packages, sport seats? what else? i might try and help finding one for you

How far is it from my spec?


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Old Apr 16, 2023 | 02:58 AM
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Bro, I got that thing you sent from cete auto, and it is a blast !!! my car sounds so mean
Im also in my break in period but its so loud and the down shifts sounds so good ! i definitely recommend it !
The module is relatively easy to install just finding the can bus cables wasn't that easy but I made it and I'm so happy with it ! thank you !
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Old Apr 16, 2023 | 03:19 AM
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Bro, I got that thing you sent from cete auto, and it is a blast !!! my car sounds so mean
Im also in my break in period but its so loud and the down shifts sounds so good ! i definitely recommend it !
The module is relatively easy to install just finding the can bus cables wasn't that easy but I made it and I'm so happy with it ! thank you !
That's awesome man! I still have to install my module in the 63 haha. Shame that the valve control didn't come like this from stock, but hey for $500 it's not a bad tradeoff for the proper sound!
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Old Apr 16, 2023 | 09:08 AM
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Can you describe shortly the spec you are after?
i guess the 3 main packages, sport seats? what else? i might try and help finding one for you
How far is it from my spec?
It's basically every option. This is my configuration from 3/17. I can live without CF Packs (1-2), rear side air bags and that's pretty much it. I'm also pretty open to a point on color.




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Old Apr 16, 2023 | 11:28 PM
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Well, I was told yesterday after them trying for several weeks it's not going to happen. A new GM came in a couple of days ago and GM will make some calls next week as a last ditch effort but don't get your hopes up. SA pulled up three similarly specced cars to mine he could get on a dealer trade but each one was too much of a compromise for me. Closest thing out there that I could accept spec wise is a FE for now. Even at MSRP for a FE, I'm not prepared to pay 36K for blue sky the more I think about it. Not sure what I'm going to do at this point. Guess I'll ponder if for a while and figure something out.
Sorry to hear. This is what I already figured would happen but I didn’t want to dash your hopes. I talked to at least half a dozen dealers back in February and March trying to get an allocation after waiting 5 months for my dealer to tell me it wasn’t gonna happen and if I wanted the FE, it was mine to buy.

Does this one work for you? Last I checked they wanted a $5k ADM. It has basically every option except ceramic brakes and the exterior carbon packages.



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Old Apr 17, 2023 | 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
Nice to see both the FE and non-FE side by side. But it’s unfortunate that the info he provided had a few noticeable flaws. I just wanted to point some of them out so potential buyers aren't confused or misled.

0:46 “This one has the 10 spoke smaller diameter wheels which essentially grip more tire”. The twin 5 spoke rims he’s talking about are no different in diameter than the cross spoke black or silver rims. All three options are the same 19F/20R diameter and come with 255F/285R tires stock. Later he mentions they can only be optioned on the C63S. That might be technically true today, but they were also an option on the discontinued AMG GT coupe and roadster.

5:25 “This one has from the factory every option you can choose”. Uh…just no. Maybe the non-US spec FE has every option, but we all know MB dropped the ball on the US spec FE.

6:01 "What you're seeing there is Final Edition specific multi-spoke AMG wheels". He got the wheels wrong again. The FE's silver wheels are the same cross spoke wheel option available on the non-FE. They are certainly not specific to the FE.

7:19 "The first thing that you're greeted to is the yellow stitching. That's specific to this car" . Just by taking a quick look at some of the pics in this thread, you can see that the non-FE's also have yellow stitching so it's obviously not specific to the FE.

8:44 "...the steering wheel is specific to this car..." He points out that the yellow stitching and 12 o'clock marker are specific to the FE, however non-FE's steering wheels have the same yellow stitching and yellow 12 o'clock marker when spec'd with the same microfiber steering wheel as the FE. The only thing that sets it apart is the steering wheel badge. The FE reads "AMG Edition" whereas the non-FE's are just "AMG".

9:17 "...you have one C63S (non-FE) that has every option checked, and then you have this C63S (FE) which has every option checked, and then some" Same inaccurate claim as above. The FE clearly does not have every option checked. Missing are the exterior carbon I & II packages, night package, ceramic brakes, and heated & ventilated seats. That’s like $10k worth of options present on his non-FE, yet are awol on the FE which costs $25k more than his fully loaded non-FE.

He mentioned the side skirts and rear diffuser are slightly larger on the FE. I haven't had time to research those points and it's hard to see them clearly in the video.
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Old Apr 17, 2023 | 10:25 PM
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Sorry to hear. This is what I already figured would happen but I didn’t want to dash your hopes. I talked to at least half a dozen dealers back in February and March trying to get an allocation after waiting 5 months for my dealer to tell me it wasn’t gonna happen and if I wanted the FE, it was mine to buy.

Does this one work for you? Last I checked they wanted a $5k ADM. It has basically every option except ceramic brakes and the exterior carbon packages.

Actually that might.
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Old Apr 18, 2023 | 12:46 AM
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I'd imagine just a bit of tweaking on the ECU. They had to do something to sell this overpriced hunk. Stickers and a car cover isn't going to be enough. It still remains to be seen if the non FE has the same sound. I'll have to hear it for myself as I had two (2015, 2018) PFL C63s.
Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
It is rather curious how they able to do it while passing regulations in EU, and if they could achieve that why did they mute the sound of the facelift in the first place? Unless they had this Final Edition planned so many years ahead already?
I took my car to the dealer and kindly asked if I can compare mine with the FE. I asked if they can noticed the difference and they can't. lol I had to turn off the valve module but yeah according to the dealer, FE or non FE FL sound should be same.
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Old Apr 18, 2023 | 06:31 AM
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I took my car to the dealer and kindly asked if I can compare mine with the FE. I asked if they can noticed the difference and they can't. lol I had to turn off the valve module but yeah according to the dealer, FE or non FE FL sound should be same.
Nope

Had both PFL and FL, and now the FE

Definitely sounds much better, similar to PFL

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Old Apr 18, 2023 | 12:29 PM
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Actually that might.
Sorry...this C63s was still available at a dealer in Ohio a few days ago, but I just got word back from my sales rep that it already sold. They offered it to me at $5k over MSRP, I ended up passing because I had another graphite C63s with both Carbon I and II packages (less DA2 option) locked at another dealer in Utah @MSRP. The Ohio dealer emailed me a couple days later and offered me another magno graphite C63s that's in transit at MSRP. Fortunately I was able to get my deposit refunded in full from Utah and I quickly jumped on it. Here's the build:




The Utah car was still available as of last week, but you mentioned you'd only compromise on the color and carbon packages, and that one doesn't have DA2. I'll definitely keep my eyes open and let you know if I see something else.


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Old Apr 18, 2023 | 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by benzbell
^^ Thanks. Yeah, no way I'd get a car without DA2.
Even though I don't really use the DA2 features, the more I thought about it, it didn't make sense to skip that option in a $100k+ car. I also figured if I ever sold my car, it may help resale value. That's primarily why I chose to cancel the Utah car and go with this one as it's pretty much fully loaded less ceramics. I was also debating on the black w/red pepper vs black w/yellow stitching interior...I like the latter more so that also helped with my decision. Lastly, this one has the CF steering wheel which was missing on the Utah one. Overall, I'm really pleased with the spec as it 99% matches my own build.

Everything I'm hearing from MB sales reps and MB managers indicates that all MY2023 C63s allocations have already been assigned to dealerships with no more allocations forthcoming. The cars that are already on dealer lots and the ones that are being built/shipped are all we will see for the remainder of the model year. It's possible there may still be a few cars up for grabs which are ready to ship that haven't yet been advertised online, so it's best to check the major car listing sites and dealer websites on a daily basis in case one of those pops up.
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