another CL63 quick kill
04-07-2008, 05:04 PM
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another CL63 quick kill
driving along in my cl600 (nice day) on an on ramp I see a guy in a cl63 floor it by me and cut someone off. well as soon as we got some room weboth hit it nad i walked him pretty good...I'd say 2 cars from 65-110. bye bye 63!
04-07-2008, 06:43 PM
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Even if the CL600 is stock, it would have no problem with 63 from a roll. 600 has 612lb-ft torque, 63 has only 464lb-ft torque and at lower rpm's. I'm surprised it wasn't more than 2 cars, that CL63 did a pretty good job actually.
04-07-2008, 07:33 PM
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This outcome is not a suprise.
But why are you comparing a V12 with turbocharging to a normally aspirated V8?
Seems like not much of an even race.
My CL65 would absolutely waste my CL63, but its not apples/apples.
Mark
But why are you comparing a V12 with turbocharging to a normally aspirated V8?
Seems like not much of an even race.
My CL65 would absolutely waste my CL63, but its not apples/apples.
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04-07-2008, 10:21 PM
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Fairly meaningless.....
Lots of guys in SiliconValley who could easily afford any new CL65 (and have owned new 65s in past) seem to opt for CL63 030....and not a lot of even >75yo codgerly guys seem to want to drive 600s (presumably one gets a 600/65 w/driver at that age)....
Perhaps life in Chic....land of endless, boring straight-line roads (and "troopers" hiding in bushes looking for those driving 72MPH in a 65MPH zone on their girlie winter tires/wheels)...and awful winter (and summer) weather explains the silliness....
Lots of guys in SiliconValley who could easily afford any new CL65 (and have owned new 65s in past) seem to opt for CL63 030....and not a lot of even >75yo codgerly guys seem to want to drive 600s (presumably one gets a 600/65 w/driver at that age)....
Perhaps life in Chic....land of endless, boring straight-line roads (and "troopers" hiding in bushes looking for those driving 72MPH in a 65MPH zone on their girlie winter tires/wheels)...and awful winter (and summer) weather explains the silliness....
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04-08-2008, 01:44 AM
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Something on 4 wheels..
I would def. sacrifice some torque of the CL600 for the CL63's appearance.
The best of both worlds certainly is the CL65 - in that case, you get both.
04-08-2008, 10:58 AM
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So what is he supposed to compare his car to...only V12 twin turbos... come on...
The CL63 is a great car...I just wish AMG would endow it with a more torquey engine. I know ..kind of silly to suggest that a car with 465 lbs-ft of torque is somewhat deficient. The CL63 weighs nearly 4,800lbs....about 150lbs more than a 2005 CL65. This is the same torque to weight ratio of a Lexus IS-F. Yes, the gearing of the CL63's 7 speed tranny helps with the torque multiplication.....but you can't touch the natural torque of these V12 monsters. If a CL63 owner is game to challenge a 600/65 to a highway roll....he will not be pleased with the results (assuming he was actually bent on winning) .
I agree about the AMG's being more aesthetically appealing (not to mention much better brakes)....that is why I made my choice a CL65....albeit an "economical" choice taking advantage of the previous generation body style's serendipitous depreciation.
As far as skill factor.....if no driver skill is involved...that means it car against car... some people like to see such comparisons.
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The CL63 is a great car...I just wish AMG would endow it with a more torquey engine. I know ..kind of silly to suggest that a car with 465 lbs-ft of torque is somewhat deficient. The CL63 weighs nearly 4,800lbs....about 150lbs more than a 2005 CL65. This is the same torque to weight ratio of a Lexus IS-F. Yes, the gearing of the CL63's 7 speed tranny helps with the torque multiplication.....but you can't touch the natural torque of these V12 monsters. If a CL63 owner is game to challenge a 600/65 to a highway roll....he will not be pleased with the results (assuming he was actually bent on winning) .
I agree about the AMG's being more aesthetically appealing (not to mention much better brakes)....that is why I made my choice a CL65....albeit an "economical" choice taking advantage of the previous generation body style's serendipitous depreciation.
As far as skill factor.....if no driver skill is involved...that means it car against car... some people like to see such comparisons.
Tom
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04-08-2008, 12:03 PM
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skill? there was no skill involved. Did I say there was? I was just having fun with a guy who probably has no idea that his AMG CL63 is actually the 3rd fastest CL out there. My CL is bone stock and he actually jumped in front (floored it first). then I walked him. NO it is not much of a "race" but a real world experience. long live the v12 versus the amg v8.
04-08-2008, 10:14 PM
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skill? there was no skill involved. Did I say there was? I was just having fun with a guy who probably has no idea that his AMG CL63 is actually the 3rd fastest CL out there. My CL is bone stock and he actually jumped in front (floored it first). then I walked him. NO it is not much of a "race" but a real world experience. long live the v12 versus the amg v8.
Hey, I for one, enjoyed your story. Screw all the negative slamming comments.
04-09-2008, 02:27 AM
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IMO street races are meaningless when it comes to figuring out which car is faster. A lot of people who drive these cars don't have the guts to floor it, keep on going without chickening out, and test the limits of traction at high speeds.
I would say if the guy driving the CL63 was skilled and put his heart (and adrenalin) into it, you would have a really hard time pulling off on a ramp, let alone pass him by two cars.
The torque advantage of the CL600 gives you the edge when both cars are at low RPM in high gears and you floor it. But once the AMG Speedshift in the CL63 quickly downshifts and the V8 starts screaming at higher RPMs, you'll hardly be able to pull off, let alone pass by two cars.
In addition, the CL63 is less nose-heavy than the CL600 (because the V8 is lighter than the V12) and has stiffer, lower suspension. Therefore it's more agile in curved ramps than the CL600 and you can push it harder before losing traction.
I would say if the guy driving the CL63 was skilled and put his heart (and adrenalin) into it, you would have a really hard time pulling off on a ramp, let alone pass him by two cars.
The torque advantage of the CL600 gives you the edge when both cars are at low RPM in high gears and you floor it. But once the AMG Speedshift in the CL63 quickly downshifts and the V8 starts screaming at higher RPMs, you'll hardly be able to pull off, let alone pass by two cars.
In addition, the CL63 is less nose-heavy than the CL600 (because the V8 is lighter than the V12) and has stiffer, lower suspension. Therefore it's more agile in curved ramps than the CL600 and you can push it harder before losing traction.
04-09-2008, 10:05 AM
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IMO street races are meaningless when it comes to figuring out which car is faster. A lot of people who drive these cars don't have the guts to floor it, keep on going without chickening out, and test the limits of traction at high speeds.
I would say if the guy driving the CL63 was skilled and put his heart (and adrenalin) into it, you would have a really hard time pulling off on a ramp, let alone pass him by two cars.
The torque advantage of the CL600 gives you the edge when both cars are at low RPM in high gears and you floor it. But once the AMG Speedshift in the CL63 quickly downshifts and the V8 starts screaming at higher RPMs, you'll hardly be able to pull off, let alone pass by two cars.
In addition, the CL63 is less nose-heavy than the CL600 (because the V8 is lighter than the V12) and has stiffer, lower suspension. Therefore it's more agile in curved ramps than the CL600 and you can push it harder before losing traction.
I would say if the guy driving the CL63 was skilled and put his heart (and adrenalin) into it, you would have a really hard time pulling off on a ramp, let alone pass him by two cars.
The torque advantage of the CL600 gives you the edge when both cars are at low RPM in high gears and you floor it. But once the AMG Speedshift in the CL63 quickly downshifts and the V8 starts screaming at higher RPMs, you'll hardly be able to pull off, let alone pass by two cars.
In addition, the CL63 is less nose-heavy than the CL600 (because the V8 is lighter than the V12) and has stiffer, lower suspension. Therefore it's more agile in curved ramps than the CL600 and you can push it harder before losing traction.
maybe?! but this is the 3rd cl63 that I have convincingly smoked. It was on the tollway and we both slowed to let traffic get by so we would have some room. ANYHOW, I dont care what tranny the 63 has, it has been slower ALL THREE TIMES. just my real world anectdotal evidence. That is all I can go by, and willl go by.
04-09-2008, 06:11 PM
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IMO street races are meaningless when it comes to figuring out which car is faster. A lot of people who drive these cars don't have the guts to floor it, keep on going without chickening out, and test the limits of traction at high speeds.
I would say if the guy driving the CL63 was skilled and put his heart (and adrenalin) into it, you would have a really hard time pulling off on a ramp, let alone pass him by two cars.
The torque advantage of the CL600 gives you the edge when both cars are at low RPM in high gears and you floor it. But once the AMG Speedshift in the CL63 quickly downshifts and the V8 starts screaming at higher RPMs, you'll hardly be able to pull off, let alone pass by two cars.
In addition, the CL63 is less nose-heavy than the CL600 (because the V8 is lighter than the V12) and has stiffer, lower suspension. Therefore it's more agile in curved ramps than the CL600 and you can push it harder before losing traction.
I would say if the guy driving the CL63 was skilled and put his heart (and adrenalin) into it, you would have a really hard time pulling off on a ramp, let alone pass him by two cars.
The torque advantage of the CL600 gives you the edge when both cars are at low RPM in high gears and you floor it. But once the AMG Speedshift in the CL63 quickly downshifts and the V8 starts screaming at higher RPMs, you'll hardly be able to pull off, let alone pass by two cars.
In addition, the CL63 is less nose-heavy than the CL600 (because the V8 is lighter than the V12) and has stiffer, lower suspension. Therefore it's more agile in curved ramps than the CL600 and you can push it harder before losing traction.
04-10-2008, 12:55 AM
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CL63 curb weight: 4597
http://autos.yahoo.com/mercedes_benz...e-specs/?p=ext
CL600 curb weight: 4895
http://autos.yahoo.com/mercedes_benz...e-specs/?p=ext
And according to MBUSA, both the CL600 and CL63 has a 0-60 mph in 4.5 sec:
http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...63&class=08_CL
http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...0C&class=08_CL
So in straight line, they seem to have equal performance. And with the CL63 lighter body, better brakes, and tuned suspension, it ought to beat the CL600 in the twisties. Actually the extra torque in that kind of situation could have a negative impact on traction (back-end trying to kick out when coming out of corners).
04-10-2008, 01:16 AM
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http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...cs+page-2.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/..._test/(page)/1
C&D tested both (sorry for bench racing). They have downloadable test data sheets for each vehicle. The 600 and 63 actually weigh about the same according to the data sheets (11lbs difference). Acceleration is pretty close in testing. However, from a highway roll the torque of the 600 will be a huge advantage if both cars are not in the ideal gear.
Tom
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/..._test/(page)/1
C&D tested both (sorry for bench racing). They have downloadable test data sheets for each vehicle. The 600 and 63 actually weigh about the same according to the data sheets (11lbs difference). Acceleration is pretty close in testing. However, from a highway roll the torque of the 600 will be a huge advantage if both cars are not in the ideal gear.
Tom
04-10-2008, 08:52 AM
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IMO street races are meaningless when it comes to figuring out which car is faster. A lot of people who drive these cars don't have the guts to floor it, keep on going without chickening out, and test the limits of traction at high speeds.
I would say if the guy driving the CL63 was skilled and put his heart (and adrenalin) into it, you would have a really hard time pulling off on a ramp, let alone pass him by two cars.
The torque advantage of the CL600 gives you the edge when both cars are at low RPM in high gears and you floor it. But once the AMG Speedshift in the CL63 quickly downshifts and the V8 starts screaming at higher RPMs, you'll hardly be able to pull off, let alone pass by two cars.
In addition, the CL63 is less nose-heavy than the CL600 (because the V8 is lighter than the V12) and has stiffer, lower suspension. Therefore it's more agile in curved ramps than the CL600 and you can push it harder before losing traction.
I would say if the guy driving the CL63 was skilled and put his heart (and adrenalin) into it, you would have a really hard time pulling off on a ramp, let alone pass him by two cars.
The torque advantage of the CL600 gives you the edge when both cars are at low RPM in high gears and you floor it. But once the AMG Speedshift in the CL63 quickly downshifts and the V8 starts screaming at higher RPMs, you'll hardly be able to pull off, let alone pass by two cars.
In addition, the CL63 is less nose-heavy than the CL600 (because the V8 is lighter than the V12) and has stiffer, lower suspension. Therefore it's more agile in curved ramps than the CL600 and you can push it harder before losing traction.
Great kill dude, very nice to see a comparison between those two similiarly priced CL's. I'm not sure which I would take, a CL63 or a CL600. I'm a speed demon, but at the same time, I can't get over the exterior differences...of course, a chipped V12TT would probably have me overlook the more aggressive AMG styling
.Nice run, looking foward to more.
04-10-2008, 10:23 AM
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The CL63 is lighter than the CL600.
CL63 curb weight: 4597
http://autos.yahoo.com/mercedes_benz...e-specs/?p=ext
CL600 curb weight: 4895
http://autos.yahoo.com/mercedes_benz...e-specs/?p=ext
And according to MBUSA, both the CL600 and CL63 has a 0-60 mph in 4.5 sec:
http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...63&class=08_CL
http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...0C&class=08_CL
So in straight line, they seem to have equal performance. And with the CL63 lighter body, better brakes, and tuned suspension, it ought to beat the CL600 in the twisties. Actually the extra torque in that kind of situation could have a negative impact on traction (back-end trying to kick out when coming out of corners).
CL63 curb weight: 4597
http://autos.yahoo.com/mercedes_benz...e-specs/?p=ext
CL600 curb weight: 4895
http://autos.yahoo.com/mercedes_benz...e-specs/?p=ext
And according to MBUSA, both the CL600 and CL63 has a 0-60 mph in 4.5 sec:
http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...63&class=08_CL
http://www.mbusa.com/models/features...0C&class=08_CL
So in straight line, they seem to have equal performance. And with the CL63 lighter body, better brakes, and tuned suspension, it ought to beat the CL600 in the twisties. Actually the extra torque in that kind of situation could have a negative impact on traction (back-end trying to kick out when coming out of corners).
04-10-2008, 12:34 PM
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These match ups are anecdotal. Don’t mean a thing. The CL63 like M’s require you to have correct setup to maximize performance. If someone pulled up to me where I was cruising in C mode with no gear restriction, there’s no way that I could make a decent show. On the other hand, in M mode with ESP off and in a lower gear, I’m fairly certain of the outcome.
At 50-70mph in M mode clicking down to 3rd or 4th @ 5-7K, will make you a distant mirage quite quickly. It loves to rev very high, and the sound!
I don’t race on tracks but in addition the CL63, I own a 997 C2S. Previously I have had a few Ferraris including a F40, so I think I know something. I know the difference between 3.5 and 5 sec.
At 50-70mph in M mode clicking down to 3rd or 4th @ 5-7K, will make you a distant mirage quite quickly. It loves to rev very high, and the sound!
I don’t race on tracks but in addition the CL63, I own a 997 C2S. Previously I have had a few Ferraris including a F40, so I think I know something. I know the difference between 3.5 and 5 sec.
04-10-2008, 02:33 PM
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[QUOTE=ieb;2759071]These match ups are anecdotal. Don’t mean a thing.
I disagree. anecdotal evidence is still evidence. Facts are facts. torque is torque. Again this is the real world where we drive our cars, and I for one have had 3 highway run ins with CL63's, and all outcomes have been similiar. THe CL63 is the 3rd fastest CL. I am sure you have had plenty of cars as have I, and last i checked (all three times) a twin turbo v12 is faster than a NA v8. I am not ripping on the 63's cool cars! great engine! just not as fast. sorry, but that has been my experience over and over again.
I disagree. anecdotal evidence is still evidence. Facts are facts. torque is torque. Again this is the real world where we drive our cars, and I for one have had 3 highway run ins with CL63's, and all outcomes have been similiar. THe CL63 is the 3rd fastest CL. I am sure you have had plenty of cars as have I, and last i checked (all three times) a twin turbo v12 is faster than a NA v8. I am not ripping on the 63's cool cars! great engine! just not as fast. sorry, but that has been my experience over and over again.
04-10-2008, 03:05 PM
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you contradict yourself - anecdotal - "based on personal observation, or random investigations rather than systematic scientific evaluation: anecdotal evidence."
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