radride

Nope. Same system. Same price.

R.K.

Guilty

I agree. But I'd rather not be a cheapo and have my car fixed the right way knowing that I put drive it more than 3000 miles a month... I'd like some piece of mind. Also, I get a nice loaner from the dealer... I don't have any other car because of a parking situation where I live.

Yeah $1072 seems too much, that's why I'm asking how many hours they actually need to do the work and I'll try to negotiate... I'm spending too much money at this dealer and have a good relationship with them... Hopefully my SA gives me a nice discount at the end when I take care of him lol.

Are you sure it's the same system? Before buying this car I read everywhere that the ABC that comes with the new CL is much more reliable than the old one.

radride

Its the same pump, hoses, valve blocks etc. The only difference is that those parts have newer part numbers on them. Are they more reliable?? Its hard to say. Most of us already have the newer parts installed on our later model cars due to failure.

R.K.

PB617

Well, i guess i won't be getting one then lol

All they see is $$$$ in their eyes when their flagship model rolls in for repairs! Best advice i got when i first picked up my CL is make sure you have a very good indy mechanic and thankfully i do.

alx

hm... flush is 9-10 liters of chf 11s @ $25-30 / liter

abc filter is $80

it takes 2 hours tops $ 150/ hour

total $680 give or take at the dealer

Welwynnick

The ABC system in the 216 & 221 is a generation on from the 215 & 220. Its hardly surprising. The differences aren't great, and I couldn't say what the benefits are. Reading all the respective road tests, Mercedes seem to have moved things on, achieving a better ride/handling compromise. Many of the changes are probably down to software. I'm always hearing how the later cars are more reliable.

To be more specific, the later cars have different pumps and valve blocks. The 215/216 pumps have integrated vibration dampers, which the earlier cars didn't. They look quite different. The newer ones have paired valve assemblies, rather than individual ones. The newer valve blocks might actually be interchangeable, I don't know.

I can't say what all the differences are, but they're definitely not exactly the same systems. The design of the pipes changes as Mercedes learned the hard way how not to do it. I think some of these were running changes, during the W220 lifetime (and after it). Manufacturers never stand still with these sorts of things.

Nick

Guilty

Thanks!

Crissus

Wow i did a whole ABC Flush with 13 Liters/Quarts and new 3micron filter on my own for under 200€.
Was ~30-60minutes work.

ann7160255

YEAP!!! you got off good. I spent $500 more. I got the warning light 1st than the the red. called embrace and waited for the tow!!!! (W216)

Guilty

New quote after talking to my SA:

"
Good morning, attached is a revised estimate for replacement of ABC filter and additional fluid to perform a flush. The only additional labor is the filter and added fluid. Do you want me to go ahead and do the additional stuff?

We haven’t received the parts yet…should be expecting by 11am

Let me know."

biker349

labor costs seem very high to me.

Guilty

I'm sure I'll be paying less when I go pick up my car

chazcon

Did you tell them that you're posting their estimates and correspondence on a MB forum for all the world to see?

Guilty

No, why in the world would I do that?

radride

143 bucks to replace the filter? How about nothing...

R.K.

alx

they quote the book.

the mb book generally does not know anything about less than 1 hour work units

$143/ h is typical rate for mb dealer service dept. some are higher.

Guilty

I noticed that. I think he's just being sneaky and he'll remove all these 'hours' once I take care of him. It's the estimate, he needs to keep some leverage lol

awiner

I assume your getting a new drive belt because it broke? If so, this is the culprit that took out your ABC hose.

Guilty

Yeah my drive belt broke but I don't understand the second part of what you just said.

I apologize, my English sucks still

awiner

Your drive belt broke and the flinging belt is what severed the ABC hose you need replaced.

Quadcammer

so you intend to bribe the service advisor to get him to short change the dealer somehow?

strange fellow you are.

Guilty

Yes, now GTFO.

AMG 17GT

Ok guilty.

It's funny when I see your name as I am a crim lawyer. Just don't talk too soon to the man......

Look, you should feel fortunate that members are here trying to help AND maybe you should think twice about guilty posts......

I think the moderator nailed it and you got lucky with hoses and fluids. Trust me you don't want to see the pump bill.

I would suggest you look into a warranty for this issue alone as it may fail after this "fix". Spend 3 grand now for a couple years and it will probably pay double.

chazcon

Really? Is this how you treat us after trying to help you?

If you think the dealer's charges are too high, go to an independent Mercedes-Benz repair shop and get a quote from them. Proactively planning to have the dealer do the work and then 'negotiating' their charges away after they do the work is at least bad form and at worst a big withdrawal from your karma bank. And how do you plan to do it - will you be one of those angry, yelling, over-acting upset customers we have all seen at the front of the line somewhere? Have some class. Take your medicine or go to an indie shop. And show some appreciation to your fellow M-B enthusiasts when you come in here.

Guilty

And who are you again? Did you see that guy trying to help? Did I ask for your opinion? No. So do me a favor, either post something useful that I will highly appreciate or you GTFO as well. Mind your own business.

For everyone else, thanks for all the help. Got the car back and running with the fluid flushed and only payed $1720 ! ))

Rome: I know, thanks