i would consider asking them for some sort of concessions. this is totally uncool and unacceptable

 

 

I JUST got off the phone with them and they are aware what is about to happen if its not sent back this week. Apparently my trans builded reminded them I have more money than they do and some pretty bad *** lawyers and wont have an issue destroying them in court should they not get their crap together.
So I was told there was some resrtiction in the intakes and the car was having a hard time making power at the right rate with boost increase after 17psi and was due to the intakes being too small so they just fabricated larger intake pipes. Should go back to the dyno tomorrow to see if it got the extra 200ish HP they expect. As long as it does than it will make it back to me this week.
So heres to holding my breath.

 

ok laser im not trying to be a debbie downer or think i know all but an restrictive intake inhibiting a bit of power is believable but 200 horses? theres more to that then they're letting on.

Nonetheless i am very curious as to what is going to unfold...

 

They had not run it to full boost as they were able to see each lb of boost beeing added was not translating to HP increase so the aborted the run. 2.5" pipes should have been large enough but the turbo company didnt take into account the long length of the pipes so they are using a different intake point with 3" tubes. The swaps been done already and it goes back tomorrow and should be able to run it to the full 21lbs or so of boost.

 

ok gotcha so restrictive intake and 4lbs of boost left on the table.

show us the dynograph speedriven!!!

 

I know this has been a nightmare for you, but hopefully it runs right and makes the expected power. If it does, you will forget all of the delays and hassle when you drive that monster. If it doesn't run right and make big power, well that will be tough to live with for sure.

I for one sure hope it performs though because I believe we would all like to see a CL65 doing work at the level you have been expecting from this build.

 

I'm really Feeling for you - but I get the Impression that SD is fishing in the dark. I can not believe that the size of the intake tubes is the Problem now, when they have "so much" experience with many other builts.

Their Hardware Looks fine and promising, but maybe the Tuning ECU/TCU - torque limiting etc. is the big Problem?

Maybe another Tuner with experience could do this part and finish the Tuning with success, but this would be my last attempt, because you must give them the Chance to do it right. On the other Hand 6 months without real result give not much confidence, that it will happen.

Not easy decision. I wish you best of luck!!!

 

Hope they get it sorted out and you make enough power to forget about this bs. How much power did it make on 17lbs?
what power numbers are they saying it should be at?

 

There just baiting you into giving them more time. Stick to your word and your deadline on this. They are just feeding you a line thats buyable but not truthful.

It has nothing to do with a restrictive intake, that's just laughable. Because all they would have to do is pull what ever hacked up scorpion intakes they use off the turbos and put a cone filter literally right on the inlet of the turbos to make a pull and see the boost / power come up. No one with half a brain wouldn't try that on the spot if suspected intake restriction during tuning.

I'll even give them benefit of the doubt that there hardware is good, but there tuning ability around that version ecu and tcu like I had mentioned to you earlier is beyond them, that I'm sure. They need to put up or shut up, and I'll eat my words and apologize to them in person if they make this happen.

But I set the odds at 10:1 they can make it work. Don't let them keep peddling there promises and buying time with delays just so you stay off there *** for a few more days. There integrity at this point shouldn't just be in question, frankly they have NONE what so ever. There self promoting is strong but not once have they delivered a vehicle they promised. Unless they are the ones talking it up and speaking for "the customer"

 

I believe he said it did around 700rwhp at that level.

 

In reality, all of us really WANT SD to succeed. We all want the possibility to do create a 1000HP monster oozing in AMG creature comforts. And for those of you who have not met/seen SD's facility in person - they do seem to have what it takes to make this happen.

The problem comes with the baiting; they shouldn't bait their customers into projects. And, then, string you along because they can't figure it out. That is just not right. BE HONEST: "Mr Customer - We're stuck. And we're doing everything we can".

I feel for you, Laser. Hope it turns out right in the end. I know every time I open this thread - I hope to see that mystical Dyno chart.

 

Tell them to tune it for 700-800whp and come to an agreement for money back to you.

You'll be much happier in the end with a car that actually works and one you can drive without worry. And it will still be way badass.

Or swap in a TH400.

Best of luck.

 

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It has nothing to do with a restrictive intake, that's just laughable. Because all they would have to do is pull what ever hacked up scorpion intakes they use off the turbos and put a cone filter literally right on the inlet of the turbos to make a pull and see the boost / power come up. No one with half a brain wouldn't try that on the spot if suspected intake restriction during tuning.

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Any luck?

 

I saw that you have a 2012 CL65, this should be the already new version ECU like in SL63 and SL65 R231. From my understanding this is completely different than old Bosch ME 2.8 ECU...

 

First off most people know Speedriven never had a "big turbo kit". Every one is a one-off build trying a different turbo. Maybe now those who were expecting better results months ago will change their "tune". Sadly, none of the big turbo owners really shared great results to back up the claims, yet people offer their cars for R&D and pay for it. Speedriven should just buy a house car, do the R&D and prove they are successful. They are more passionate about the V12TTs than any other company in America. If they had a house car and spent their own time tuning the TCU with other standalone or piggyback software it would earn much more respect from the community.

I feel bad for the OP, but he's also to blame. He didn't do his research and "hoped" throwing a big chunk of cash their way would get him what he wanted. The problem is too many people are "hoping" when this should be cut and dry. You represent yourself as the professional company with a product, you produce it, and get the claimed result. Its as simple as that. In this case, and every other so called "big turbo" case, they are "shooting for" a certain result with no real certainty. In the end the car makes a dyno pull and gets sent off with tranny issue still remaining. After all the drama and stories you have been told and time you waited, you have to be a total idiot to send your car back for the 1500hp R&D project. Let's not forget the car depreciated $5,000-$7,000 not even in your possession. Having money to throw around is one thing, being naive is another.

Instead of being prepared for the car and working on it day and night you hear that it just sat there for a long time, until just recently. Now after finally getting the build under way, there are issues with the TCU communicating (like every other build), when so many members knew that from the beginning.

I "hope" they change things around, for themselves and us. As many said, man up, don't make excuses. I wish all parties the best of luck, like others I do want to see the platform progress.

 

Here is my world. I tell a customer what I will make his Cobra, Corvette, Viper or what have you make. I take the car in, I do the work, car does better than I promised. Stupid me to expect that when spending 4x as much on a car that cost 5x as much. My bad. Hey, **** me right!

 

I live in your world, where I do what I say and meet or exceed expectations. You can't assume everyone will do that. I get it, the reason you pay some one is for their expertise, otherwise you or would do it yourself. Good luck moving forward, hopefully everything works out, you deserve a monster.

 

Just out of curiosity what is your car making at the wheels? And at what boost level?

 

Good Point from Race-Horse.

Before buying new Dyno, expand, making new products, Audi, MB, Lamborghini etc.etc. you must have at least one shop car whichs is delivering results.

A V12TT can be purchased for low money nowadays, for all the testing.

Remember when I warned about all the Claims and doubts and especially 1 Member who is not writing here anymore always said, no they are the best, I have ordered and tested and my car and bla, bla bla.

These cars are complicated to tune. You need much money for Trial and error, experience, Connections and talent. It is what it is, you must go through it.

 

I had my car dyno'ed 2 times with catless downpipes and my CAI WITH filters on. Both times on 93 octane and my trunk tank was not installed at the time of either dyno session. On a dyno jet I had 645whp and on a mustang dyno I had 550WHP and 684 WTQ. I run the car on MS109 with a trunk tank filled with ice and no filters at events. I think that setup is close to 700whp on a dyno jet and probably around 600whp on the mustang dyno I used. I've been told by many that a 1 mile speed of 190 MPH takes 700 whp, so I should be close.

 

I want one.

 

Sorry Laser, I only answered one of you questions. I don't have an answer on the boost, since I don't datalog or run a boost gauge. I think the intake helps the turbos maintain boost a much better, but I'm sure it still tapers down in the higher RPMs. I can't expect much more from the little turbos; the waste gates aren't touched, the turbos are stock.

 

Anything?

 

@ Race Horse I bought OBD Bluetooth adapter from Ebay for 20Eur and Torque Pro App for 3Eur and now I have a BIG boost gauge on my Samsung Mobile. Works great and is fun. By the way so I detected that my IC Pump was dead. Switched to Pierburg CWA100 and all the power is back... :-)