ENARANG

the supercharged M3 will destroy the E55 hands down. THe 0-60 is just about similar. When the M3 is super or turbocharged then the E55 will get smacked.

Also with the M6 all AMG's well except for the 65's will get the dust

Improviz

You just go right on thinking that, dude.

Three pieces of data now: one from Car & Driver, one from APK1013, one from our forum. None of which show a supercharged M3 to be any faster than a stock E55. SGC ran a 12.11 stock. Car & Driver tested the supercharged M3 at 13.1. And now APK's bud's M3 turns in a 12.44...when SGC has run a 12.1 stock in his E55.

As to the M5/M6: only 1/4 mile test I've seen for the M5 was Euro, where it ran a 12.7--no match for the 12.3's and 12.4's the E55 got in Road & Track, Car & Driver, and Motor Trend.

I now return you to your ignorant, uninformed wet-dreaming.

ENARANG

Improviz you are stupid for reading car and driver and all the other nonsense magazines that claim wildly off 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times also. Are you trying to tell me that the SL600 can get to 60 in 3.8 seconds. What are they smoking. I beleive that was from Car & Driver or Motortrend. One of the two and it raised a big ruckus on this forum also.


Why do you claim 1/4 times as the number to test. Why not use 0-60 and see how the M5 and M6 will be right on with all the AMG's. The M6's data is not out yet for the quarter mile though.

Are u seriously going to a believe a midsized sddan like the E55 can hit an 12.2 or even 12.2 1/4 mile. What are you smoking?

ENARANG

An equal joy is carrying that speed through bends. Its steering is quick, pin-accurate, and buck-naked of understeer. Where the old M5 had a dose of push built in, just to keep things stable, the new one is so accurate and hard-wired to your brain that it doesn't need stabilizing. You won't make a mistake with it. And if you do, the electronic safety controls seem faultless. But the rush is in staying within those DSC thresholds, leaning that V-10 power into the rear wheels, feeling the balance of grip move to the first phase of oversteer and rocketing out of the curve in search of the next one.

After such a virtuoso performance, the E55 struggles. It has the grip, and it certainly packs the punch. But it doesn't have the surgical accuracy, linearity, nor the communication with its driver. The two cars are almost the same weight, but the Benz feels heavier. On these fast sweeping curves, it kept its distance and didn't want us getting down and dirty with it.


There ya go enough said by the way that was taken straight from Motortrend. If you de-limit the M5 you will see speeds over 200 m.p.h.

ENARANG

What We Know: In addition to the next-generation M5 that's on its way this fall, BMW is also gearing up to release an M-tuned version of its new 6 Series coupe. It's expected to utilize the same 5.0-liter V10 power plant as the M5 along with a seven-speed SMG transmission. With 507 horsepower on tap, the M6 should have no problem keeping pace with Mercedes' high-powered CL coupes.

Need I say more. The M6 is ready to smoke the AMG's out the door

Improviz

.....here's a nice video of what an E55 will do to an M3:

http://www.whitisconsulting.com/videos/m3.wmv

...or to a Cobra with 420 rear wheel horsepower (= over 500 at crank), 4 races, 4 wins for the E55.
http://flathat.woodstream.net/Columb...cobravsE55.wmv

http://www.sm0k3.com/crap/videos/cobravse55rematch.wmv

Oh, yeah...Car & Driver, Motor Trend, Road & Track, people on this forum...all liars. Only you, ENRAGED, know the real truth

Keep lying, it's fun to watch you make yourself look stupid.

Improviz

Sure, ENEMA...IF you ignore all of the track comparisons and data presented so far, and believe only what you want to believe, then you can convince yourself that BMWs will leave behind Mercedes on the track.

Unfortunately for you, there IS data, and it DOES show that you're full of it:

C55 vs. E39 M5:

W208 CLK55 vs. E39 M5:

C55 vs. M3:

SL55 vs. Z8:

SL55 vs. brand spanking new E60 M5:

Improviz

....the guy who was just a few posts ago telling me I'm "stupid" for believing magazine articles is now quoting....magazine articles.

So, which is it, ENEMA? Can we believe magazine articles, or not??

You quote Motor Trend. Here's their video for the CL55:
http://www.motortrend.com/av/112_03_...des/index.html

Unlimited, these cars will top 200. And they were on the market three years before your M5, fool.

ENARANG

no we can't believe them. The M6 will just have to hand the E,S,CL,SL 55's and 600's a ball of dust. It will run 1/4 miles in the area of 12.0-12.2 seconds and we will then await the Supercharged engines to compete with the 65's but that won't be for awhile. Also wait the new RS6 will drop a cool 600+ h.p. then both Benz and Bimmer will get smoked.

Improviz

So why are you quoting them, then??



The M6 is nothing more than the coupe version of the M5...same chassis, same engine, same driveline, same everything.

And as I've already shown you, three times now, THE SL55 BEATS THE M5:

===>clicky-click for an education, silly:<===

ENARANG

did u realize the m6 is lighter then the M5 by a significant margin. wwith the same engine and that could only mean one thing a Benz smokin BMW with plenty more on the way.

ENARANG

also if delimited the M5 would outrun just about everything . With a top speed of 205 you are talkin crazy power

Improviz

Proof? Remember, you can't use magazine articles because you said we can't believe them!

Improviz

The Supercharged Benzes will all top 200 with their limiters removed.

300 km/h is 188 mph. And this wasn't even a top-speed test, only a time-to-speed test.

ENARANG

yeah your proof will be when an SL55 or E55 or any other Benz 55 lines up with an M6 and gets trashed.

ENARANG

Unfortunately the M3 CSL is not sold here in the U.S. but that would be another driving menace.

Improviz

So you keep saying...but I checked at BMW's website, and here are their weight figures for the M5 and M6:

M5: 1830 kg / 4026 pounds
M6: 1775 kg / 3904 pounds

120 pounds is not "significant". Keep dreaming and spewing out ignorant nonsense all you like, but each and every claim you've made so far has been show to be the ignorant BS it is.

Mercedes can't hang with BMW on a track? Proven wrong.

E55 can't run mid-low 12 second 1/4 miles? Proven wrong. Actually, twice:

M3 can run with an E55? Proven wrong, in a VIDEO:

Supercharged M3 will stomp the E55? Proven wrong. Again, twice

And then there's the "significantly lighter" claim, which was proven wrong in this post.

Come back when you have some facts, dude...until then, I'm through wasting time on you.

ENARANG

Are u on crack. A supercharged regular M3 that runs the sprint to 60 in 4.6 seconds is not faster then a stock E55. Simple you are using wrong information to back up your posts. Instead of going with the higher psi boost for the M3 you go with the 5.5 psi one. Instead of thinking how the M6 CSL if and when it comes here will kill all non Benz 65's.

You need to stop reading car magazines and bring the two cars to a track. Mano a mano. That is it with two professional drivers in each car. That is the only way to settle it.

Keep denying it but BMW is going to go horsepower crazy and so is Audi so be prepared for the E55 to get left in the dust. (Oh yeah the same goes for all other 55's and 600's)

I'm outta here and going to be spanking a bunch of 65's too. (Thanks to Ferrari's new F430 which I will modify to make just a bit shall we say) -

faster

Improviz

APK1013

Don't tell me that I backed out of anything. We were all ready to go including three of the E46's from the web site that i linked u too. Then Benzo called me to cancel the race because of the weather. The weather was perfect by me but he didn't want to come down with the other guys. We were all really upset that we didn't race that night. I want to race on the street because i think my car will perform better on the street. I claimed to beat a CL55 on the street, not at the track. By the way, you said my car and the 330 are more comparable than my car and a 55. If a 330 called me out, I would be willing to race him wherever and whenever. I want to go on the street because that is the only place i have ever run. If my car is that slow, you should be able to hand me my *** on the street or on a grass field.

By the way, as far as the M3 goes, his trap time was 2.2 or something. The E55 did like a 1.8. The M3 is clearly more powerful, and it will destroy a CL55 and run right with an E55. We are willing to come out and play when u guys want.

Improviz

Absolute crap. Here's the link where everyone--except you-- showed up at the track at Moroso and raced.

You're such a liar, it's simply pathetic. YOU came in here and claimed that your M could run 12's, and when challenged to show up at a track and do it, you wimped out. Because your car can't do 12's, and you damn well know it. Get a life, and crawl back into your hole where you belong.

If you ever get enough sack to actually show up and race, you know where to look...but none us are holding our breath.

APK1013

Nobody wants to do it the old fashioned way??? Benzo will run on the street. He ran 12.8. If I can hang with him, I proved my point, right??

Improviz

Hmm, let's recap, my perpetually fibbing friend:

1) you posted a ridiculous story about beating a CL55 from 0-100, despite what you claim was a crappy launch with lots of wheelspin;

2) I called you on it, and said you were full of it, and challenged you to show up and run a supercharged AMG:

3) you accepted, and then spent about fifteen posts insulting AMG owners, saying they were wimps who didn't have the sack to show, drove like little old ladies, didn't know how to step on the gas pedal, etc...and how you were just "ready to go", if only those AMG wimps would show up;

4) SGC accepted your challenge and agreed to meet you at Moroso:

5) when suddenly, you became very busy:

6) yet on the night you claimed to be busy, you still found time to post here, three times:
Posted at 9:42 PM EST:
Posted at 9:59 PM EST:
Posted at 6:09 PM EST:

7) but even after that humiliation, you agreed to meet SGC at Moroso raceway, not once, but twice:

8) so, did you show? of course not; you backed out of that too, despite the fact that I offered to pay you $500 out of pocket for replicating either of your claims at Moroso: a 12.6 1/4 mile, OR beating (or tying!) any Supercharged V8 Benz. (of course, this didn't have anything to do with the fact that a CL55 owner would only run you at Moroso, right?

So, if that wasn't backing out, APK, what was it??

Pathetic.

JasonC32amg

Hell I beat one in my Evo

Improviz

Conversely, if your car is that fast, you should be able to run a 12.6 like you're claiming on the street or at the track....so why won't you keep your word (for ONCE) and show up at Moroso?

I mean, heck, I offered to pay you $500 out of pocket for replicating either of your claims at Moroso: a 12.6 1/4 mile, OR beating (or tying!) any Supercharged V8 Benz.

It's quite obvious that keyboard racing and smack talking is all you do.