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AV1

My guesses (this is of course "IF" it actually happens and gets a V8) is that it'll get the same/similar as fitted to the new GT63 coupe i.e. mild hybrid only which would suit it perfectly.

Don't think it'll get the P3 treatment as I believe it would be OTT for this model variant.

Don't think it'll get the GT55 coupes V8 spec either as it would not be any kind of a step up from the previous C205 C63.

Lets see what happens - any idea of when this variant is meant to surface or be revealed ??

AV1

Looks awesome with those wheels and not the hideous looking and PITA to clean design standard on the CLE53.
Hopefully these are offered as an option for buyers of the CLE53.

W205C43PFL

Hmmm I see

wildta

I accidentally posted this in the wrong thread and meant to post it here. Another article, in English:

Mercedes Admits Defeat, Reportedly Drops Four-Cylinder for V-8 in CLE63
The report cites slow sales for the four-cylinder hybrid AMG C63 in Europe as the reason for the switch.

https://www.motor1.com/news/719266/m...brid-v8-cle63/

W205C43PFL

Well, if the current C 63 S E Performance haven't depreciated enough, this vehicle coming out will certainly make it drop, especially if the C 63 ended up getting the V8 later on as well.

RJC

thats’s good news indeed, but if true will most likely delay the launch of the cle63.

AV1

Another glimmer of hope as stated in this article as well.

https://www.autoevolution.com/news/n...it-233706.html

W205C43PFL

Waiting for spy shots with exhaust sounds but even the new AMG GT sounded muted in the spy shots so I guess there is no point waiting for those after all.

RJC

When is the CLE63 supposed to launch?

Also what the anticipated pricing delta between the 53/63?

alexasa

iTrader: (1)

Base C43 is ~62k and base c63e is ~84k

If that same jump is present here. I'd expect a ~100k base rate for the cle63

AV1

Usually spy vids whilst running on the "ring" clearly identifies the V8 aural signatures apart from the I4/I6's this was the case with the GT's before they were unveiled.
When this variant will be released is anyone's guess unless some insider info gets leaked. Hopefully they will not delay it until the mid life cycle update as that's still some years off

Eaton

Looks like the facelift in a few years.

RJC

So 4 banger first or the cle63 itself is ~3 years away?

superswiss

Nope, no CLE 63 for the next 3-4 years. The CLE 53 will be the top dog until then. The CLE 63 SE has been completely canned according to this.

RJC

Wow

W205C43PFL

not surprised to be honest as they spent so much money and time (many years) developing the E Performance with the four cylinder now that they scrapped it altogether in the CLE, it takes time for them to develop and test the new powertrain for production. Lets hope they can have it come out sooner rather than later but without rushing it too much, the recent launch of MBs are not smooth sailing to say the least.

RJC

The wow was for the fact the scraped it after all the R&D etc. but glad they did, not a fan of 4 bangers.

W205C43PFL

To be honest we saw that coming with the almost no movement in home Germany. Even if they spent so much R&D there is no point producing a vehicle when almost no one is buying it. They will then lose even more money, they realized they should wake up and go back to the drawing board. I am just hoping they do not cost cut their other models to help recoup the loss as how they had been cost cutting because of the amount of money spent on the EQ lineup.

RJC

Agree, and as mentioned, glad they did.
I am also not an electric fan, they not only have no "soul" so to speak, but are/were like meme stocks, they have terrible fundamentals, everybody had to own one and the auto manufactures drank the Kool aid.
MB should also outsource their gearboxes to ZF which is another area they can never seem to get right and stop wasting so much $ on trying to produce something someone else does so much better.

W205C43PFL

The instant torque is pretty nice but I am a petrolhead and I need some engine noise.

Honestly, the main issue with electric for me is the charging time, I can charge at home but with the winters here down in the great white north, the range anxiety is also real.

Ya, everyone kept saying they should outsource the gearboxes, even though we know that would never happen.

RJC

Sadly agree.
True, but cars like my M850 and XKR have neck snapping nearly instantaneous torque so I'm good.
I too, like you, am a petrol head, and if the EPA would chill out the ICE can be made to run even cleaner, plus with the 48V mild hybrid assist, ICE's can do wonders. Furthermore, EV's are not all they're cracked up to be EVs release more toxic emissions, are worse for the environment: study (nypost.com)
Let's hope MB does a great job with the CLE53, as i just ordered one for the wifey. Problem is I'm getting more/more info the 24 53's will be a very short run, and for cash buyers like me may necessitate waiting a few more months for a 25.

W205C43PFL

Fair fair (bolded part)

I just wish the 48V mild hybrid system is more reliable though, it has been a common issue in MB and also in other makes as well (so I heard).

Plus the 48V mild hybrid system also brings in complexity plus weird brake pedal feel.

For sure, hope MB does a great job with the CLE 53 indeed!

AV1

Well this is both good & bad news at the same time.
The CLE63 is going to be a V8 is good, arriving 3 or 4 years from now is bad.
As well as the time frame and wait it means when it's released it'll pretty much be a whole generation behind it's direct competition...

AFAIK AMG has pre-produced a large number of the M139L engines so maybe good news for 43 models running the I4 if these are re-directed towards them in their mid life update.

RJC

Fingers crossed
My experience with the 48V hybrid assist has been good, with no ill effects. BMW and Porsche do a great job with this tech, no reason why MB can't.
Enjoyed the chat