MYTHBUSTERS DYNO run w/ 430 and different intakes!!!
10-04-2007, 09:50 AM
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2000 CLK 430
This is that Ml55 setup, only the airbox is different for the 208 CLK. The tube to the throttle body and the maf are the same, 320 box has a little different shape from the ML55 but both have dual inlets and the same size filter. This is what I installed tonight on my CLK55.
thanks in advance for the helpful hints.
10-04-2007, 09:55 AM
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This tube is the same used on the ML320,430,55/ w210 E430,320 & CLK320.
The airboxes are different for the different chassis. Therefore the "right" one for a 208 is the CLK320 air box.
10-12-2007, 12:21 AM
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2002 CLK55 AMG, 2005 C240 4maitc
Nope, you are referring to the additional "civil fines" which are instate only. It doesnt matter what state you're from, 20mph over is considered reckless and is a jailable offense as well as a misdemeanor that stays on your record for 11 years! 
They can only suspend your license in VA since it is a commonwealth but the jail time is the biggest deterrent.
They can only suspend your license in VA since it is a commonwealth but the jail time is the biggest deterrent. (Sooo happy i dont live in VA, LUL)
10-12-2007, 12:42 AM
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Two days ago there was a rumor that the MBWorld website had died – this was the FIRST thing I thought about - "It can’t die before the airbox results are in . . . . IT CAN’T!"
Will the adaptive throttle be reset just before the festivities begin?
I hope someone brings a camera.
Will the adaptive throttle be reset just before the festivities begin?
I hope someone brings a camera.
10-14-2007, 12:02 PM
#43
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OK, I don't have the pics...long story short, with the 55 intake and K&N's, when it's cold and the engine hasn't heated up the airbox, we get around 5 whp and maybe 5wtq with the new setup (at BEST). The 320 airbox gets almost the same #'s. Basically that means our 430 intakes are crappy: less power and heats up a LOT, so way less power after heating up (5 min or less of idling/driving). This might help gas mileage, but not good for interstate HP and TQ.
So...bottom line is the 320 intake and the 55 intake give bout the same numbers COLD. But the 320 box should stay cooler. It is also much cheaper to buy and requires only 1 K&N filter rather than 2 like the 55 setup. So same power gain at a fraction of the cost along w/ staying colder longer. The negatives are that it doesn't look as pretty as the 55 box. Also, you have to extend the MAF connector w/ some wires. Not a big deal if you can buy 5 colored wires and butt connectors. Just crimp, connect and go. Mbenzman can tell you more if he'd like. If you polish your manifold like he did the 320 box looks sweet. Takes a long time though. Post some pics and #'s guys!
So...bottom line is the 320 intake and the 55 intake give bout the same numbers COLD. But the 320 box should stay cooler. It is also much cheaper to buy and requires only 1 K&N filter rather than 2 like the 55 setup. So same power gain at a fraction of the cost along w/ staying colder longer. The negatives are that it doesn't look as pretty as the 55 box. Also, you have to extend the MAF connector w/ some wires. Not a big deal if you can buy 5 colored wires and butt connectors. Just crimp, connect and go. Mbenzman can tell you more if he'd like. If you polish your manifold like he did the 320 box looks sweet. Takes a long time though. Post some pics and #'s guys!
10-14-2007, 12:37 PM
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Just to clarify. The improvements were compared to a 430 box with used STOCK PAPER FILTERS vs. every other box we had K&N or other aftermarket filters installed.
The CLK320 box was applied last due to the time it took to modify greggs car. Therefore it was dynoed later in the day and every single test we did resulted in lower figures because we were into the afternoon heat. I had brought the laptop to play with the timing and no matter whether I advanced or retarded his cars timing, every dyno yielded lower numbers and going back to his original tune still brought even lower numbers.
This was still the best comparision, and if I were to changed anything, I would have prepped greggs car prior to doing it at the dyno to minimize the delay between the runs and dyno the clk320 setup first.
Even Zacks car with it exhaust, chip tuning and 55 box with K&N's pulled lower numbers being dynoed after we finished using Greggs as the mule.
Vadims idea didn't work, a 55K box with K&N's wouldn't fit, You would need an adapter to make it fit on the maf! So no dyno results there.
We didn't try K&N's in a stock 430 box, but the bottom line is that 430's don't need much more air than any of the boxes provides unless you do something fairly radical demanding much more airflow! Just put K&N's in your stock box, or the 320 setup if your going to mod. you car.
Rich
The CLK320 box was applied last due to the time it took to modify greggs car. Therefore it was dynoed later in the day and every single test we did resulted in lower figures because we were into the afternoon heat. I had brought the laptop to play with the timing and no matter whether I advanced or retarded his cars timing, every dyno yielded lower numbers and going back to his original tune still brought even lower numbers.
This was still the best comparision, and if I were to changed anything, I would have prepped greggs car prior to doing it at the dyno to minimize the delay between the runs and dyno the clk320 setup first.
Even Zacks car with it exhaust, chip tuning and 55 box with K&N's pulled lower numbers being dynoed after we finished using Greggs as the mule.
Vadims idea didn't work, a 55K box with K&N's wouldn't fit, You would need an adapter to make it fit on the maf! So no dyno results there.
We didn't try K&N's in a stock 430 box, but the bottom line is that 430's don't need much more air than any of the boxes provides unless you do something fairly radical demanding much more airflow! Just put K&N's in your stock box, or the 320 setup if your going to mod. you car.Rich
10-14-2007, 03:43 PM
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10-14-2007, 03:50 PM
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BTW, i was putting down 230 whp and 240 wtq with the following performance mods:
-SpeedtuningUSA ECU tune
-CLK55 AMG intake w/ K&N's (almost new filters)
-Eisenmann exhaust
and my 19" wheels, probably a little loss there.
-SpeedtuningUSA ECU tune
-CLK55 AMG intake w/ K&N's (almost new filters)
-Eisenmann exhaust
and my 19" wheels, probably a little loss there.
10-14-2007, 06:25 PM
#47
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-CLK55 intake w/ Green filters
-Evosport pullies
-Eisenmann race
10-14-2007, 09:57 PM
#48
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10-14-2007, 10:01 PM
#49
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BB,
Could you give me the part number from the Y-pipe off yours please. The air box was from my E55K and would not even come close to fitting. If your Y-pipe fits directely on the maf without any kind of adapter, then I need that part # as it has a larger opening.
Thanks,
Rich
Could you give me the part number from the Y-pipe off yours please. The air box was from my E55K and would not even come close to fitting. If your Y-pipe fits directely on the maf without any kind of adapter, then I need that part # as it has a larger opening.
Thanks,
Rich
10-14-2007, 10:04 PM
#50
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BB,
Could you give me the part number from the Y-pipe off yours please. The air box was from my E55K and would not even come close to fitting. If your Y-pipe fits directely on the maf without any kind of adapter, then I need that part # as it has a larger opening.
Thanks,
Rich
Could you give me the part number from the Y-pipe off yours please. The air box was from my E55K and would not even come close to fitting. If your Y-pipe fits directely on the maf without any kind of adapter, then I need that part # as it has a larger opening.
Thanks,
Rich
