betrezra

Can anyone help me post up the different blower options for the W209 500, 55, and 550?

So far I've got:

Kleeman $8500 for the kit

Brabus

RennTech $18,000? for the kit (need to confirm this)

HPM (still around?)

Powerdyne (custom adaptation required)

Vortech (custom adaptation required)

E55 blower swap

betrezra

3. RENNTECH PKG2
Supercharger, intercooler, ECU upgrade
460 HP @ 5500
RPM; 465 LB-FT @ 2400-5000 RPM
$15900 msrp

A guy will do 10% off of this. Still alot of dough not installed.

What makes the renntech soo much more than the Kleeman? Diff blower? Better blower? more power?

NitrogenBalance

I don't know if the 209 has room for a front/side mount like the custom vortech, powerdyne, and HPS configuration. Pretty sure the 208 has room, I just recall the 209's and 203's being pinched up front for available space.

I'll most likely copy HOP's vortech setup over the winter as my car has a few things still set up for the side mount configuration. Assuming I get the new motor in...

I would keep on the hunt for a kleeman charger deal from a trade in or private seller. Whats a used kit worth 4-5K?

Renntech is fancy as hell but its double the $ and a kleemann blown CLK55 is the only one I know of in the 10's so far...

Dropping the OEM 55K blower on there ala' hooleyboy seems pretty badazz yet I would only go this route if I was to have a tuning shop at my disposal.

betrezra

I hear you NO2 balance.... Motorwerks is just down the street.... but I doubt Sunil has time to mess with an E55 motor swap.

I'm leaning towards Kleeman, bigger heat exchanger and pump, my PTE cams, and fresh tune.

IF the shorty headers I just bought are holding me back, I'll swap them out for some of the fancy kleeman mid-length jobs with the downpipes.

PTE

This motor is pretty hard to extract major HP in it's stock form , as a N/A motor with bolt on tweaks. The best I ever saw on the Dyno before the Heads , Cams and Klee blower was 342 hp & 361 Ft Lbs Torque. When the motor was N/A I had all the Tweaks you currently are using. Something was holding the motor back. I finally went for the Klee headers, and Found 26 rear whp . The exhaust was the restriction issue. Try your new cams first before you go with the Klee blower kit. The exhaust valve is opening higher & held open longer.
Cheers _PTEngineering

Moedy

I believe renntech was first in the lineup with a supercharger for the N/A motor. the price was high and then kleemann came in and took the light with a setup for less and better gains. I would go with the kleemann setup. how much did the renntech airbox run you used? do you get any gains with the airbox and k&n's then just k&n's alone?

betrezra

Are the kleeman and renntech and brabus all the same type of blower?
The KLEEMANN Kompressor System is an Eaton type supercharger with an integrated air-to-water intercooler and is the only known system to combine the intake manifold, kompressor and intercooler into one integral unit. The intercooler is such a superior design that it holds its own patent.




Lysohlm -
http://www.lysholm.us/superchargers.php




Roots -
http://www.dragcars.com/html/roots_supercharger_.html





Eaton - http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Produc...Superchargers/






Kleeman says they use and Eaton style supercharger.... anyone know which Eaton blower they use.... see below link to eaton for diff types......

http://www.eaton.com/EatonCom/Produc...M112/index.htm


engineering dwg of the eaton.... m92 I'm guessing this is what kleeman uses..
http://www.eaton.com/ecm/groups/publ.../ct_167920.jpg



Good article on the eaton blower with carb on top through a 350 small block........ nice power and 500 hp sounds familiar to the kleeman claims.
http://www.carcraft.com/featuredvehi...evy/index.html



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PTE - Sounds good..... cams will be installed next. I'm on the fence about installing a "ported/polished" stock intake since I ultimately want a blower.... so I view this as a wasted step..... and I've yet to see documented gains with the p/p intake.

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Renntech intake was bought local for $700 cash. Hard to say how it performs without dyno or track time. I can say the car is loads better from when I picked it up CPO used from MB dealer with loads of leaves/crap in the air filters, stock exhaust, and stock tune....... Since then: new high flow 2ndary cats, ams headers, renntech intake, lsd, tune, and injector cleaning.

Weather here has been 100-102degF which kills power...... so hard to say how much gains. Which leads me to blower time.... with my HOT climate I'm thinking extra capacity heat exchanger/pump OR all the boost will be wasted in heat soak.

Moedy

the original kleemann setup like the one you posted with blackbenz's vehicle on youtube was a twin screw supercharger. they later changed to eaton roots type supercharger

hami

I've just pulled the trigger on a kleemann blower and when I asked brandon he said that they tweak the eaton blower to perform as a twin screw blower which made me end my search for a twin screw and just buy an eaton
if ur going for a once in a week car that u want to use to smoke everything on the road a twin screw is ur choice but in my case my car is my daily so i sticking with the power the eaton is giving me and being thankful for it

good luck making a choice its a tough one

Moedy

congrats hami, how much did it run you? did you end up getting a LSD yet?

betrezra

Hami - Great news. Please post up some pics of the install, vids of it running/driving, and some acceleration vids.... If you get the time.

I've yet to find any good vids/pics of a W209 with a kleeman blower installed.

It's all W208 guys that are blown.

Are you doing upgraded cooler/and pump? Cams? Exhaust? Tune?

Inquiring minds want to know.

I'm thinking kleeman blower/cams/tune this fall after bonus time.

hami

I feel bad because I feel like I am stealing your thread.
I placed an order to buy a Kleemann supercharger I couldn't find a twin screw charger not even used and I am a bit impatient so I went ahead and placed an order on an Eaton charger. I also ordered a set of cams to go with that. They told me it would take one to two weeks to deliver. I placed the order the day I left the country and I should be back in two weeks time to drop off the car and get the work done. When thats done I'll post up all the pictures I can take and all the videos I can film with all the feed back I can give

I am also going to get a Quaife LSD to go with that. I am hoping to get some good results

betrezra

AHH! You're building MY CAR! LOL.

Post up results bud! If you build your's 1st I'll gladly learn from your experience.

I'm already stealing shamlessly from PTE and others.

I won't be doing my kleeman/cams/tune for a few more weeks until bonus time late Sept. Then it's on.

Can't wait for some updates hami.

hami

glad someone else is walking this route with me

i'll keep u guys posted

betrezra

If we both do it then it makes total sense.
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My plans:
Phase II - Kleeman, PTE cams/Ti retainers, tune, 180 thermostat, trans service #2.
Phase III - larger kleeman heat exchanger, pump.
Phase IV - carbon fiber trim interior, refurbed CLKBS wheels/tires.
Phase V - coil-overs/struts
Phase IV - new sound system, nav, ipod hookup.

Somewhere along the line I'm thinking the trans will need an overhaul...... plans will be better clutch packs, and a worked Tq convertor for better 60's.

hami

I have kleemann headers and an eisenmann exhaust on right now
so the blower, cams and diff r my second step for now
i'll wait and see how it sounds after the job is done because i have been thinking of adding an x pipe and deleting my secondary cats
coil-overs, bars and struts r in my future plan but i think i'll get that done after winter season has gone away and all the snow has melted

i like the thermostat and heat exchanger ideas i might be doing those sometime soon after the blower

im not so crazy about cosmetics at the moment plus im not a big fan of CF interior

one idea in mind right now is a custom intake manifold but i need time to research about it first

betrezra

Just talked to Motorwerks about my next step:
Kleeman blowers are reduced price
Takes 1 week to ship after downpayment, then 1 week to install/tune.

Hoping to do this in September....... BEFORE Hami! hah.

betrezra

Kleemann deposit goes to Motorwerks tomorrow!
Time for some boost.

Any updates on your end Hami?

hami

My parts should get here Tuesday to Thursday
I am dropping my car off over the weekend for them to start work
Can't wait to pick it up after and take it for a spin

betrezra

I'm 1 week behind you buddy. Hopefully we can adjust the rotation of the earth with the new improved tq.

hami

how does rolling the earth back in time sound?

betrezra

My kit should be in this week, then time for the install.

A couple questions for you experienced folks:
1. Does the kleemann kit come with the intake and engine cover? Or do we have to source our an E55K intake? Or do we re-use the front part of our n/a engine covers along with what kleemann provides? I think I've seen somewhere someone had a nice looking custom kleemann insignia intake mani.

2. Gages - Are you guys running a set of gages in the a-pillar, or dash, or glove box to monitor boost, and AFR? It was nice in my old mustang vortech days to be able to keep an eye on things whilst under boost...... granted I was at much higher boost levels than this kit (17psi back then).

Or do most benz kleemann peeps just go without the real-time data for a more factory look?

Thx........

hard to sleep at night with thinking of these new mods.

PTE

The kit comes complete and with 5.5K AMG air box's , air filters & Front Cover. You will really Like the performance. This kit will bury you in the seat Cheers _PTEngineering

betrezra

Bury me in the SEAT! Big Block performance!!!!!!!

Moedy

dibs on your renntech airbox when you kleemannize it . I would also love to take a ride in it the next time I head to houston after its done