GT Black Series Production Numbers USA
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The good thing is that it didn’t sit anywhere waiting to be shipped and the pipeline ought to be cleaned out by then.
Oh yea I picked Cirrus Silver the other “launch color” since Magnbeam represents nearly 1/2 of the production.
I am guessing mid September delivery.
I too may be interested in the new SL in a couple of years. I really enjoyed my SL63 before I contracted GTitis.
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They want $150,000 over. But all the ones arriving and/or have are pre-sold. According to a salesman.
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When a mass production G63 or GLS 600 commands premiums close to a $100k or more, a $150k for the limited B.S. is no longer crazy or shocking.
These crazy prices just project the current, actual market and values.
These crazy prices just project the current, actual market and values.
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I wonder how many people who ordered a BS would have still ordered one if MB had set the MSRP 100K higher?
Does anyone know how much a dealership makes on a BS sale.......without ADM?
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Greed?
Not really, there is a profit to be made on the B.S., either the dealer gets it or the new owner.
Why do they need to gift it to anyone? They have a product and the price is not set in stone, they can and should (if they want to stay in business) ask for the highest possible price and it is up to the buyer to accept it or not.
Calling it "greed" when someone prefers to line his own pocket instead of a stranger is absolutely unfair.
Answering "I wonder how many people who ordered a BS would have still ordered one if MB had set the MSRP 100K higher?":
probably 30% at best, the rest are counting on MSRP and a potential to drive the car for free for a couple years or make a significant profit immediately just by flipping it.
Not really, there is a profit to be made on the B.S., either the dealer gets it or the new owner.
Why do they need to gift it to anyone? They have a product and the price is not set in stone, they can and should (if they want to stay in business) ask for the highest possible price and it is up to the buyer to accept it or not.
Calling it "greed" when someone prefers to line his own pocket instead of a stranger is absolutely unfair.
Answering "I wonder how many people who ordered a BS would have still ordered one if MB had set the MSRP 100K higher?":
probably 30% at best, the rest are counting on MSRP and a potential to drive the car for free for a couple years or make a significant profit immediately just by flipping it.
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Greed?
Not really, there is a profit to be made on the B.S., either the dealer gets it or the new owner.
Why do they need to gift it to anyone? They have a product and the price is not set in stone, they can and should (if they want to stay in business) ask for the highest possible price and it is up to the buyer to accept it or not.
Calling it "greed" when someone prefers to line his own pocket instead of a stranger is absolutely unfair.
Answering "I wonder how many people who ordered a BS would have still ordered one if MB had set the MSRP 100K higher?":
probably 30% at best, the rest are counting on MSRP and a potential to drive the car for free for a couple years or make a significant profit immediately just by flipping it.
Not really, there is a profit to be made on the B.S., either the dealer gets it or the new owner.
Why do they need to gift it to anyone? They have a product and the price is not set in stone, they can and should (if they want to stay in business) ask for the highest possible price and it is up to the buyer to accept it or not.
Calling it "greed" when someone prefers to line his own pocket instead of a stranger is absolutely unfair.
Answering "I wonder how many people who ordered a BS would have still ordered one if MB had set the MSRP 100K higher?":
probably 30% at best, the rest are counting on MSRP and a potential to drive the car for free for a couple years or make a significant profit immediately just by flipping it.
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Interesting comment. There is another way of looking at this in the form of a hypothetical question:
If you personally owned this car, wanted to sell it, and someone said they would give you what you paid for it and an additional $100,000, would you do it?
Would you consider yourself greedy for having done so?...or smart?....or lucky?.....
If you personally owned this car, wanted to sell it, and someone said they would give you what you paid for it and an additional $100,000, would you do it?
Would you consider yourself greedy for having done so?...or smart?....or lucky?.....
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Interesting comment. There is another way of looking at this in the form of a hypothetical question:
If you personally owned this car, wanted to sell it, and someone said they would give you what you paid for it and an additional $100,000, would you do it?
Would you consider yourself greedy for having done so?...or smart?....or lucky?.....
If you personally owned this car, wanted to sell it, and someone said they would give you what you paid for it and an additional $100,000, would you do it?
Would you consider yourself greedy for having done so?...or smart?....or lucky?.....
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I don't think that example is comparable with dealers demanding money over MSRP for a brand new car. That's like ordering a new TV for $3000, and when you go to pick it up, the retailers says... "Well, we've had a lot of interest in these TVs today, so if you want to take it home then you're going to have to pay us another $1500, otherwise we'll have to cancel your order."
The difference here is this is a rare car and the dealer only has one. There might be dozens of interested persons in that one car, but the dealer can only sell it one time. Should he play favorites maybe and sell it at MSRP to someone he knows? Wouldn't that be playing favorites? Or, is there another way to disappoint all the others? Maybe he could hold a lottery, so everyone "feels" they got a fair shake on the ONE car for sale.
This is no different than car auctions such as Barrett Jackson - If 10 people are interested in the same car, bidding starts, as the price goes up, 10 turns to 9...eventually, the one out of ten willing to spend the most money on that car gets it. Is that greed on the part of BJ or the owner? In this case, the dealer, I'm sure knows how much interest there is in that one car. He can only sell it once, not ten times. If he throws $100,000K onto the MSRP and has two people willing to write the check, how does he handle that? Maybe one of the two would go $125,000. Greedy dealer?
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Barrett Jackson is just a big "My Dick is bigger than Yours" show for people with more money than brains,lol Barretts are thieves in suits, I put them in the same category as most lawyers and real estate pods.
I blame manufacturers for the stealership ADM charged on limited production models. I think Ford had a good idea( with the GT) when they tried to cull the flippers by stating that you had to own the car for... a certain time period before you could sell it, but of course lawyers got involved and killed that.
I blame manufacturers for the stealership ADM charged on limited production models. I think Ford had a good idea( with the GT) when they tried to cull the flippers by stating that you had to own the car for... a certain time period before you could sell it, but of course lawyers got involved and killed that.
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Barrett Jackson is just a big "My Dick is bigger than Yours" show for people with more money than brains,lol Barretts are thieves in suits, I put them in the same category as most lawyers and real estate pods.
I blame manufacturers for the stealership ADM charged on limited production models. I think Ford had a good idea( with the GT) when they tried to cull the flippers by stating that you had to own the car for... a certain time period before you could sell it, but of course lawyers got involved and killed that.
I blame manufacturers for the stealership ADM charged on limited production models. I think Ford had a good idea( with the GT) when they tried to cull the flippers by stating that you had to own the car for... a certain time period before you could sell it, but of course lawyers got involved and killed that.
I am very familiar with the Ford GT sales program and that was an attempt to control an asset after it legally departed from the original owner (Ford).
Some have a hard time understanding (or accepting) the ownership custody of an asset like the BS or any car with the exception of Tesla. First, the manufacturer is the owner, then the dealer, then the retail buyer. Unless there is some written binding agreement between the factory and the dealer not to do so, the second owner, the dealer now owns an asset they are free to sell at whatever the market will bear...in a free market. And, another hard concept to grasp, is that when an order is placed and a deposit submitted, so many interpret that as a sales contract, which it is not, and why the S in MSRP is often missed. MSRP is a starting point on any car in high demand. Witness the C8 Corvette after almost 3 years' into production.
Free market doesn't work for everyone. The alternative is - "There will be a VW Beetle for everyone and everyone will buy one". Sadly, there never would be a MB BS in that world anyway. But everyone would be treated fairly.
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Again, ADM is nothing more than dealers beating scalpers to the punch.
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It's a free market where we live (so far), whether you like it or not there is NOTHING morally wrong with setting the price on a high in demand, very short supply items that are not a life sustaining or needed product (like taking advantage of people in some natural or other disaster and asking $100 for a bottle of water).
A luxury item like the Black Series is not a "need" product, no one is forced to pay a higher price then the MSRP.
MSRP itself says it is not a price set in stone, it says : "Suggested" and usually can go either way.
Somehow, no one here would call the dealer a "stealer" or being greedy when the pendulum swings the other way and the car is sold below it(MSRP).
A luxury item like the Black Series is not a "need" product, no one is forced to pay a higher price then the MSRP.
MSRP itself says it is not a price set in stone, it says : "Suggested" and usually can go either way.
Somehow, no one here would call the dealer a "stealer" or being greedy when the pendulum swings the other way and the car is sold below it(MSRP).
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It's a free market where we live (so far), whether you like it or not there is NOTHING morally wrong with setting the price on a high in demand, very short supply items that are not a life sustaining or needed product (like taking advantage of people in some natural or other disaster and asking $100 for a bottle of water).
A luxury item like the Black Series is not a "need" product, no one is forced to pay a higher price then the MSRP.
MSRP itself says it is not a price set in stone, it says : "Suggested" and usually can go either way.
Somehow, no one here would call the dealer a "stealer" or being greedy when the pendulum swings the other way and the car is sold below it(MSRP).
A luxury item like the Black Series is not a "need" product, no one is forced to pay a higher price then the MSRP.
MSRP itself says it is not a price set in stone, it says : "Suggested" and usually can go either way.
Somehow, no one here would call the dealer a "stealer" or being greedy when the pendulum swings the other way and the car is sold below it(MSRP).
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The Stealerships NEVER loses even when their product sells below MSRP or they wouldn't be in business long, besides they know the risk going in.......
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Most of them don't make money in the new car department anyway, service and used cars (hard) is how they survive.
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When demand outweighs supply, there’s not enough price fixing laws in the world that will stop the difference to be made up somewhere. Well there is, but you wouldn’t want to live there.
Sure, you can force companies to sell at msrp, but I for one if I can’t get an allocation for a car would rather know what my actual price is upfront adm and all rather than have to buy a bunch of portobellos and lussos I don’t want to maybe get to a car I do want.
And if you insist on a business selling everything at msrp please make your to your local pp ad so that one your great grandkids can get a nautilus, or introduce yourself to Takuya and reap the benefits and consequences of manufacturer msrp pricing.
Bottom line is there isn’t a single one of us that would leave $100k on the table because someone else set the market value for something we wish to sell.
If ADMs bother you your issue is with a manufacturer that doesn’t build enough thingies to meet demand, not whatever middle person benefits from this intentional scarcity that’s not of their design or doing.
This endless topic is endless across all automotive forums, stealership this or that, and it is the most moot of all topics. Water and market values always find their level. Being mad at a dealer adm is like being mad at gravity … understandable but not the best use of one’s time.
If it bothers you don’t buy the thing. I have a principle never to pay adm for any product, and it often means I don’t get the thing I want. It’s fine, I can handle it.
Sure, you can force companies to sell at msrp, but I for one if I can’t get an allocation for a car would rather know what my actual price is upfront adm and all rather than have to buy a bunch of portobellos and lussos I don’t want to maybe get to a car I do want.
And if you insist on a business selling everything at msrp please make your to your local pp ad so that one your great grandkids can get a nautilus, or introduce yourself to Takuya and reap the benefits and consequences of manufacturer msrp pricing.
Bottom line is there isn’t a single one of us that would leave $100k on the table because someone else set the market value for something we wish to sell.
If ADMs bother you your issue is with a manufacturer that doesn’t build enough thingies to meet demand, not whatever middle person benefits from this intentional scarcity that’s not of their design or doing.
This endless topic is endless across all automotive forums, stealership this or that, and it is the most moot of all topics. Water and market values always find their level. Being mad at a dealer adm is like being mad at gravity … understandable but not the best use of one’s time.
If it bothers you don’t buy the thing. I have a principle never to pay adm for any product, and it often means I don’t get the thing I want. It’s fine, I can handle it.
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I work for a dealership and our GTBS still isn’t spoken for yet. It’s the only night black magno coming to the US as of now. If anyone on this thread is interested send me a pm!! Happy to provide any and all details for confirmation.
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