Looking at a new Diesel, get a CDI or Bluetec
12-23-2007, 06:50 PM
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you talking to me ****?
Wow a whole 10% more for 15ppm Diesel, like thats gonna put a dent in anybodys wallet. Lets get serious, the Bluetec's are much better cars than their previous counterparts and more powerful. To the ****heads that say Bluetech sucks, you can kiss my *** when you see me pass your *** by in my E320 Bluetec while burning less fuel, and getting better gas mileage.
I am constantly amazed at the ignorance some of the members on this board have.
I am constantly amazed at the ignorance some of the members on this board have.
Why do you think MB made the Bluetec with a mere few bhp and maybe 20 pound foot increase? Certainly not for performance and definitely for tree-huggers and the EPA and the Peoples Republic of Chinaforn IA.
12-23-2007, 08:12 PM
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Old American muscle cars and older MB diesels are symbols of freedom from big government. If they have their ways their tree hugging feinds will stop you from wood burning stoves, they will outlaw lawn mowers. The Marxist mayor of Toronto, David Miller (a Harvard Marxist guy, no less) is already doing that in Toronto. You do not know how lucky you are down south with George W Bush. Take a deep breath, big brother.
The common rail system alone will give us much more power and economy. Imagine the V-6 engine created for the Bluetec diesel system without all the 4or more particulate filters and cats. It will be a good package.
The common rail system alone will give us much more power and economy. Imagine the V-6 engine created for the Bluetec diesel system without all the 4or more particulate filters and cats. It will be a good package.
Secondly, the problem with the idea of "freedom" to burn dirty fuels is that the cost is not contained only to those who perform the action. If someone in front of me decides that removing his emissions equipment I bear the burden when driving behind him. That is not freedom. On the other hand, if he wants to pay me / buy the right to pollute, that is another story since compensation is given to the affected party.
12-23-2007, 11:05 PM
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North Korea is a nice country
The E320 Bluetec is called the E300 Bluetec in Europe, and the E320 CDI, which is the same car sans emissions equipment, is available, but only gains 13hp while increasing fuel consumption. Perhaps that is why everyone is buying the Bluetec?
Secondly, the problem with the idea of "freedom" to burn dirty fuels is that the cost is not contained only to those who perform the action. If someone in front of me decides that removing his emissions equipment I bear the burden when driving behind him. That is not freedom. On the other hand, if he wants to pay me / buy the right to pollute, that is another story since compensation is given to the affected party.
Secondly, the problem with the idea of "freedom" to burn dirty fuels is that the cost is not contained only to those who perform the action. If someone in front of me decides that removing his emissions equipment I bear the burden when driving behind him. That is not freedom. On the other hand, if he wants to pay me / buy the right to pollute, that is another story since compensation is given to the affected party.
Satellite photos taken at night shows North Korea pitch dark and its next door brother all bright and decadent like California. North Korea cannot afford the dirty dirty fossil fuels and has to go nuclear.
What was Red China and India are burning whatever they can lay their hands on. They are making progress while North American environmentalists are encumbering their own people with newer, more restrictive laws.
The great Indonesian forest fires (set deliberately to clear vegetation) created enough smoke to cause respiratory problems as far as Malaysia so good luck to you wanting to make the guy in front of you blowing black smoke.
It is not going to make a bit of difference.
12-24-2007, 07:35 AM
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12-24-2007, 08:31 AM
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Run by a very nice cunning man, a low energy consumption jurisdiction.
Satellite photos taken at night shows North Korea pitch dark and its next door brother all bright and decadent like California. North Korea cannot afford the dirty dirty fossil fuels and has to go nuclear.
What was Red China and India are burning whatever they can lay their hands on. They are making progress while North American environmentalists are encumbering their own people with newer, more restrictive laws.
The great Indonesian forest fires (set deliberately to clear vegetation) created enough smoke to cause respiratory problems as far as Malaysia so good luck to you wanting to make the guy in front of you blowing black smoke.
It is not going to make a bit of difference.
Satellite photos taken at night shows North Korea pitch dark and its next door brother all bright and decadent like California. North Korea cannot afford the dirty dirty fossil fuels and has to go nuclear.
What was Red China and India are burning whatever they can lay their hands on. They are making progress while North American environmentalists are encumbering their own people with newer, more restrictive laws.
The great Indonesian forest fires (set deliberately to clear vegetation) created enough smoke to cause respiratory problems as far as Malaysia so good luck to you wanting to make the guy in front of you blowing black smoke.
It is not going to make a bit of difference.
2. DPRK has other reasons for its nuclear program, it is more expensive than a trash incinerator, for example.
3. I have no intention of modeling my actions after those of China, India, or Indonesia, nor would I reccomend anyone else follow their example.
4. I do not believe in regulaton of any kind, just so you are informed, I am perhaps the most pure capitalist possible. Following this:
5. An important part of freedom is ensuring protection of the rights of all. As long as pollution is directly taxed and the proceeds used to emilinate the negative affects, I do not believe there should be emissions restricitons of any kind. That gives abolute freedom to everyone to decide how much they want to pollute, they are literally able to buy the right to do so.
12-24-2007, 09:18 AM
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all four years are more the same than different. I went with a used 2005 last year, because it was a color combo that I wanted, there were early problems reported with the Bluetec's G7 trans (a software problem), and the desire for ultimate durability (iron block and debugged technology) It was $15000 under sticker (18k mi) and $8000 less than an identical left over 2006. Although there were a couple of features that I would have gotten if I had my choice (panorama, dynamic seats, bluetooth) the cash in my pocket buys a LOT of swag.
Iron in-line block
Detroit Diesel built some aluminum blocks, they worked, but at the end of a duty cycle (2000 hrs) they were found to be, out of rebuild specification. I don,t know if the Blue-tec will prove out over the years, but I do know one thing if it was so great it would be in marine/generator applications by now and it is not.
BTW nice S55 & S600, what antidepressants will you use to make the transition to an E class diesel?
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12-24-2007, 10:27 AM
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12-24-2007, 11:48 PM
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12-24-2007, 11:49 PM
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1. North Korea is too poor to have energy consuming appliances/devices.
2. DPRK has other reasons for its nuclear program, it is more expensive than a trash incinerator, for example.
3. I have no intention of modeling my actions after those of China, India, or Indonesia, nor would I reccomend anyone else follow their example.
4. I do not believe in regulaton of any kind, just so you are informed, I am perhaps the most pure capitalist possible. Following this:
5. An important part of freedom is ensuring protection of the rights of all. As long as pollution is directly taxed and the proceeds used to emilinate the negative affects, I do not believe there should be emissions restricitons of any kind. That gives abolute freedom to everyone to decide how much they want to pollute, they are literally able to buy the right to do so.
2. DPRK has other reasons for its nuclear program, it is more expensive than a trash incinerator, for example.
3. I have no intention of modeling my actions after those of China, India, or Indonesia, nor would I reccomend anyone else follow their example.
4. I do not believe in regulaton of any kind, just so you are informed, I am perhaps the most pure capitalist possible. Following this:
5. An important part of freedom is ensuring protection of the rights of all. As long as pollution is directly taxed and the proceeds used to emilinate the negative affects, I do not believe there should be emissions restricitons of any kind. That gives abolute freedom to everyone to decide how much they want to pollute, they are literally able to buy the right to do so.
It is good to be able to criticize each other in a free society.
12-25-2007, 12:09 AM
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The new Mercedes Benz V engines were designed for ease of production on the Ford modular engine formula. I do not understand why the gasoline engines have 90 degree angles.
BMW is the only one still doing straight 6 engines including diesels. It makes sense if they are developing turbos for their 6 cylinder engines. I cannot wait to see the arrival of their 268 bhp twin turbo diesels. Fly baby fly.
12-25-2007, 05:53 AM
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12-25-2007, 06:12 AM
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The new Mercedes Benz V engines were designed for ease of production on the Ford modular engine formula. I do not understand why the gasoline engines have 90 degree angles.
BMW is the only one still doing straight 6 engines including diesels. It makes sense if they are developing turbos for their 6 cylinder engines. I cannot wait to see the arrival of their 268 bhp twin turbo diesels. Fly baby fly.
BMW is the only one still doing straight 6 engines including diesels. It makes sense if they are developing turbos for their 6 cylinder engines. I cannot wait to see the arrival of their 268 bhp twin turbo diesels. Fly baby fly.
12-25-2007, 01:53 PM
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The only criticism of such engines is the complexity. Same with American diesel truck engines. The latest Ford Powerstroke has 6.4 liters, two turbos in series and strict oil requirements for emission while Cummins use a 5.7 or 5.9 liter straight six, 24 valves, Bluetec emission control and single turbo. If I were to buy an SUV (diesels are not available in American SUVs, only trucks) with a diesel I would have chosen a Cummins.
In line 6 cylinders layout makes turbo charging easier, intake one side turbo and exhaust the other side.
Use large engine capacity to get power.
I still believe there is no substitute for cubic inches.
12-25-2007, 01:59 PM
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The 6.4 uses a compound turbo setup, very different from series, and the Cummins is only 6.7L. The Cummins does NOT use Bluetec and all three, Cummins, Powerstroke and Duramax, use an EGR, particulate filter and NOx scrubber.
12-25-2007, 04:34 PM
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I saw it on the windshield sticker of a 2007 Cummins diesel pickup "Bluetec Emission System, no charge". Did you mean AdBlue?
12-29-2007, 12:39 PM
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Nevertheless the 420 V8 engine and the 320/280 V6 are based on the same modular design. The V-angle of both is 72--not 62--degrees.
12-29-2007, 12:44 PM
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http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=119327
http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-wont...esel-push.html
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12-30-2007, 08:10 PM
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5. An important part of freedom is ensuring protection of the rights of all. As long as pollution is directly taxed and the proceeds used to emilinate the negative affects, I do not believe there should be emissions restricitons of any kind. That gives abolute freedom to everyone to decide how much they want to pollute, they are literally able to buy the right to do so.
12-30-2007, 11:30 PM
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Do you want gas prices to go up even further?
12-30-2007, 11:32 PM
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You're going to see the name "Bluetec" or something very similar on upcoming VWs. BMW will feature similar technology, but not the name.
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=119327
http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-wont...esel-push.html
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=119327
http://www.leftlanenews.com/bmw-wont...esel-push.html
12-31-2007, 10:11 AM
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harkgar,
Sorry, it's hard in words only to be severely sarcastic! You may not have taken my statement correctly. I was being sarcastic!
Carbon credits are a joke. Europe and the United Nations and the Third World love carbon credits because the want the USA to pay out money to them.
The USA is the cleanest country in the world versus it's economic output.
Sorry, it's hard in words only to be severely sarcastic! You may not have taken my statement correctly. I was being sarcastic!
Carbon credits are a joke. Europe and the United Nations and the Third World love carbon credits because the want the USA to pay out money to them.
The USA is the cleanest country in the world versus it's economic output.
12-31-2007, 11:12 AM
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This "buying carbon credit" is lunacy in its most severe form. Where does the money (so called carbon tax, carbon foot print, carbon foot in mouth) go in Europe? The coffers of the already heaviest taxed EU countries. It has nothing to do with being green but everything to do with gouging the peasants.
Do you want gas prices to go up even further?
Do you want gas prices to go up even further?
