Mr.Billyd

Have any of you tried using the Fleece filter on your 606 motor?
http://www.autopartswarehouse.com/fe...461473056.html

The mobile one oil can last much longer than the standard Hann filter.

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Thanks
Bill

TMAllison

I wasn't aware there was a fleece filter avail for the 606 engine?

I can say with certainty that the oring sets shown on the link you provided are NOT for a 606, regardless what is stated thereon. I'm guessing those filters are for the CDI engines which would have come out in europe in about 98 and were replaced by the V6 in 07.

My 606.962 went 15,414 miles on its last M1 Turbo Diesel Truck oil change interval. Soot was at .3% (<.8 allowed after 7500 miles) and TBN lost ~40% down to 7.7. Can't ask for much better.

I'd stay with the OEM filter unless you are wanting to push your interval to 30k miles.

Mr.Billyd

miles on an oil change thats great enough for me. I had a Audi A6 with a 1.8 TD. The service plan they had this audi on was up to 25k, based on feedback from the on board computer.
I have been using M1 0-40, and changing it about 8K with a standard filter.
If I was safe going to 10-15 thats perfect.

Bill

TMAllison

Just use a good diesel rated syn and follow FSS. It will adjust based on your driving style, coolant temp, etc.

I drive 110 highway miles a day and therefore may be able to extend the interval further than someone who drove city only with numerous of cold starts, etc.

Goatman

Amsoil 25K mile oil changes are still the ones to beat. I just change my WIX filters at 12.5K for my 606. Sure wich they'd come out with an EA 25K filter, but the poor design of the 606 housing is I'm sure making it cost prohibitive.

TMAllison

G'man - You don't own a 606.

Your engine doesnt run as clean as the newer design 606 engine does; therefore, soot and fuel contamination will get to unacceptable levels LONG before you reach 25K miles on your Hybrid Mobil 1.

Goatman

Nope. Its not Mobil 1, and its rated for a minimum drain interval of 25K..

Untertürkheim

The rating for the oil means nothing, unless the oil can eliminate soot.

Goatman

Agreed. That's why I trust Amsoil.

TMAllison

G'man may get away with 25K intervals in hindsight; he'll be adding so much make up oil in his +20y/o technology engine that it may keep the soot and fuel levels down to an acceptable level. He may never have to change it.

You've got a 603 engine by the way G'man. The differences between your engine and ours is about as great as between ours and a bluetec.

curlytom

TMAllison - I can't help but LOL everytime you G'man ...sorry.

Untertürkheim

Oil can not eliminate soot.

Goatman

Agreed. That's why I trust Amsoil.

Goatman

I'm still waitng for the first time. But I've flipped that coin plenty, that's for sure...


No synthetic MB trans fluid... LMAO.

Untertürkheim

What does that have to do with the soot we have been discussing?

Goatman

I suppose if you're looking to hold hands I can oblige. But you're a smart guy who knows what a great oil does with soot.



BTW everyone, Amsoil has just released AMSOIL DIESEL RECOVERY, a product that un-gels frozen diesel from the tank to the injectors and back again!


Another great diesel product form the kings of diesel oils!~!

bjornarhuse

Get an engine oil that burns without leaving soot. Problem solved.

As for oil discussions.... I have a mobility guarantee which is valid as long as the correct fluids are used. Therefore... The savings from having that guarantee far outweighs a couple of $$ in oil. Proven 3600 kilometers from home last year, in Spain.

On my Ducati, the factory specifies Shell, so that's what she gets.

On my 1978 Range Rover V8, I get the cheapest I can find, since I need to change every time it gets drowned ;-) Besides, half of it drips out under, anyway.

Don't start an old RangeRover without oilstains under - it means it has run out of oil.

Untertürkheim

First off, this has nothing to do with the oil.

I know that one important property of diesel motor oils is the soot dispersency, but that has nothing to do with the percentage of soot present.

These engines have a tolerace for soot percentage (the exact number, I do not know, since I never try to push my oil that long), that has nothing to do with the oil or dispercency properties.

I would highly suggest doing an oil analysis before 10k miles to determine how much soot you are producing, since it is more than likely the level will be too high before 25k miles. The oil's ability to handle soot has nothing to do with the engine's.

TMAllison

I believe 2% soot is allowed on a 603; but don't quote me.

Using syn, I wouldn't suggest going past 6k before doing a lab test on a 603 engine. Most enthusiasts with the early 60x engine series (601,2&3) change their syn fills at 5-7500 miles and dino at 3k.

Untertürkheim

I always change the oil at 5k on my pre-fss models, full syn 229.5 -40 weight of course.

I agree with you, I would check the soot at 7500 miles.

bjornarhuse

Most engine specialist will supply you with the name for a reputable oil lab. I've been in fishing for about 30 years and we use oil analysis regularly to monitor engine health. You can tell a failing ring or coolant channel immediately.
It is worthless on a one-off basis, but done regularly you can track the health of the engine. The lab will keep a record of your samples and point out any changes that may stick out as a telltale sign for something awry.

philfna

I got to ask goatman do you work for AMSOIL? You are such a fanatic about their products. They might be great, but since MBUSA will void my warranty if I add any fuel additives I won't be getting the diesel additive you recommend. Thanks for the info -- interesting just not sure how prove it works and is safe.

240D 3.0T

Goatman posts lots of false information. Just add him to your ignore list.

Untertürkheim

Not to mention that Amsoil does not make an oil that will keep the warranty entact on any MB except a Bluetec.

harkgar

Agreed.

You buy tires from Michelin, Continental and Perelli.
You buy gas and diesel from Sunoco, Esso and Shell.
You buy engine oils from big names approved by MB.