scottybdiving

Any news on whether they will be bringing it to the US? I read one article a while back, that said it would be available in a C and a GLK.

240D 3.0T

They won't. Americans don't want to pay $40-50K for a 4-cylinder powered car, it would sell poorly.

scottybdiving

That depends on which American you ask. If they are willing to pay 40K for a V6 gas that only gets 16/21 MPG, why wouldn't they pay it for a 4cyl diesel with 204 HP 354 ft/lb and get 34 MPG?

Wolfgang

My guess is that MBUSA might offer it in the C or GLK, starting next year.

Here's a picture from the production line.



http://www.mdc-power.de

scottybdiving

That would be nice. 1 or 2 years to work out the bugs and I might be in the market for MY 2012 GLK 250.

240D 3.0T

Most Americans don't know that. All they see is its a 2.2L 4-banger and the C300 has 25 more hp, costs $2000 less and doesn't need urea refills.

scottybdiving

Where did you see that the 2.2L will cost $2000 more than the gas? The GL 320 is still $1000 less than a GL450, even with Bluetec. My '08 was $2500 less than a GL450.

Even if it did cost $2K more, It would pay for itself pretty quickly at today's diesel vs premium prices. A lot quicker than a hybrid.

240D 3.0T

Last I checked, the 320 was a V6 not a V8.

Lets look at something actually comparable, the ML.

ML350 $44,600
ML320 BlueTec $48,600
Difference= $4000

Lets use Colorado, we have some of the lowest prices in the USA.
Cheapest Premium $2.56
Cheapest Diesel $2.39

The 350 gets a combined 17mpg, BlueTec gets 20mpg combined.

It would take 70,600 miles to break even, about 8 years of average driving.

scottybdiving

........and the GLK 250 will be a Inline 4 cyl, not a V6.

The GL 320 gets 19 combined (mine gets 22 combined) vs GL 450 15 combined. Based on Fueleconomy.gov and fuel prices at the time, to drive 25 miles, a GL 320 cost 2.99 and a GL 450 cost 4.43. However, the GL 320 doesn't have to recuperate anything because it cost less to start with.

The same principal should apply costwise, to the I4 vs V6, only the spread in MPG is much larger.

I have paid as much as $8000 premium for the diesels in my trucks. The real savings has been on the tail end, at re-sale. It remains to be seen where these new diesels will end up in that respect.

240D 3.0T

Especially for an extremely overcomplicated 4-banger with a pee bucket. The V6 is bad enough being designed as a throw-away engine.

scottybdiving

Where do you get your information? 1st you said the 2.2L would cost $2K more than the V6. Now you say the 3.0L V6 diesel is designed as a throw away engine. I would like to read this stuff.

I'm not a big fan of the "pee bucket" myself but we better all get used to them because thay are going to be a part of our lives for the foreseeable future. This also include OTR trucks and heavy equipment which I deal with on a daily basis.

240D 3.0T

Reality. Its low cost, designed primarily around meeting emissions limits, integrated cam bearings in the valve cover, damage the valve cover and you replace the whole cylinder head, bend a piston oil jet and you replace the whole block, no cylinder sleeves, not rebuildable, etc.

The last "real" engine Mercedes designed was the OM613.

It will have no part of mine. I will not buy a vehicle equipped with that useless trash. If I have no choice, the only time it will be operating is the time between when I take the keys and when it reaches my driveway. At that time the DPF, cat, pee tank and EGR will all go in the garbage can and I'll enjoy a cleaner running and much more efficient engine.

Thats different; I get paid to work on them, not buy them.

Goatman

You'll never read it, except on one wanna-be MB forum out there.... You'll be member #3 if you join.


The Euro models will eventually come to the US. Especially when our less than bright country men continue to elect the kinds of folks they're electing now.

Looked at a Ford Transit Connect Wednesday on US soil. Pretty neat car/van. Its in deisel version overseas, but only gas here.....For now... We'll be buying 16 of them as soon as they're available. Hopefully that will help convince Ford and the rest to start bringing over some cool stuff in deisel. Unfortunatley, the economy isn't real great for them to gamble.

polarbexar

Last I heard the 2.2 won't need the urea in the catalyst. How about some optimism for more choice. ( I like four banger Mercs Thank you very much! )

polarbexar

Don't tell that to Audi! Shhh I might buy one.

240D 3.0T

Thats because a 4-banger is all they offer. If they had the 2.5L or 3.0L V6 as an option, I know they would be selling Passats like hotcakes.

polarbexar

I know you mean the A4 or possibly the A6. VW sold the Passat with the 2.0 Diesel " like hot cakes." For a diesel enthusiast you sure do dislike them.

240D 3.0T

They use a timing belt, thats reason enough to hate them.

Then when they do decide to use a chain, they make up some Rube Goldberg cr@p.

c240PORTUGA

thats for a non 4-matic ML. the ml350 4matic is 47100 so the difference is only $1500 to get the bluetec. and many have claimed to get 25mpg, so its a no-brainer

Rob CL

Forgive my ignorance, but I've read many-many times the OM642 block uses cylinder liners. This attribute remains irrepairable? I'm a little confused by that statement.

The heads/cams etc. I understand completely however.

btw: Your was is hacked.

240D 3.0T

They are cast in.

was?

polarbexar

Whats was??

Anyway further the tangent--- the 3.0 is a timing belt. Is the reference to a wrestler good or bad? I've replaced several belts on 1.9 TDI no big deal. The Audi 5000, that I had was a 5 cylinder diesel went great for over 400K until an old bronco ran over it. My point is that small diesels are great, don't knock them.

Rob CL

I realize this is OT but the site in your sig was hacked by some Iranian hacker. They posted some message about Obama needing to mind his own business state-side.

/OT


Thanks for the clarification on the sleeves. So when overhaul service is due, what exactly gets replaced? -How durable is this engine as a factor of miles, would you say?

Rob CL

Which 3.0 are you speaking on?

240D 3.0T

Ah yeah, Rolf wasn't keeping up on the forum's security updates.

You order a whole engine for about $10,000.