ML350 BT DPF/EGR delete
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ML350 BT DPF/EGR delete
Hey all,
posting this here I didn’t realize there was a diesel
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Hopefully I’m not beating a dead horse... I used the search function and didn’t find many results. Just picked up my second ML BT looking to do full DPF, EGR delete. Anyone else have experience with this? Which tune did you use? I see Malone and JT Auto offer tuning options, anyone else I’m missing? I’m not really concerned with more power, just looking for reliability, oil options and MPG.
posting this here I didn’t realize there was a diesel
forum.
Hopefully I’m not beating a dead horse... I used the search function and didn’t find many results. Just picked up my second ML BT looking to do full DPF, EGR delete. Anyone else have experience with this? Which tune did you use? I see Malone and JT Auto offer tuning options, anyone else I’m missing? I’m not really concerned with more power, just looking for reliability, oil options and MPG.
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Here is a repost of my review for Malone tune stage 1:
My initial impression is that IQ is added throughout the fuel map. There is increased power throughout the RPM range. While this is nifty, ECU tuning has come a long way since the 90s, and that is an old tuning method. I have tuned my own diesels, and I usually reduce IQ and retard timing below 1200RPM to help with fuel consumption. The result is a bit less power down low, but a great pull when it hits 1500RPM. Additionally, I had requested a change to limp mode (raise available limp mode power). This request could not be honored. I know I could do this using other tuning software. I am not sure why Malone could not (this is no reflection on BARTUNING, as they only install the tune provided to them). Just know that if you need a tune that is not flashzilla, you will not get a great tune, just an off-the-shelf tune.
My initial impression is that IQ is added throughout the fuel map. There is increased power throughout the RPM range. While this is nifty, ECU tuning has come a long way since the 90s, and that is an old tuning method. I have tuned my own diesels, and I usually reduce IQ and retard timing below 1200RPM to help with fuel consumption. The result is a bit less power down low, but a great pull when it hits 1500RPM. Additionally, I had requested a change to limp mode (raise available limp mode power). This request could not be honored. I know I could do this using other tuning software. I am not sure why Malone could not (this is no reflection on BARTUNING, as they only install the tune provided to them). Just know that if you need a tune that is not flashzilla, you will not get a great tune, just an off-the-shelf tune.
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Malone and JT are the main ones I could find when looking for ML350, I think there was also mega-speed, renntech, and euro charged.
i'll be getting a malone stage 1 just because the shop that does it is a lot closer to me than the shops that do the other tunes.
Overall online from my research they were all fairly positively reviewed/reliable, but i guess it depends on what you are looking for and how much of an expert you are. Clearly todds87ss seems to know his stuff and the tune just wasn't up to par.
i'll just be happy to have the dpf/egr/def gone, but while im getting that work done i figured i might as well get a tune and get a bit more umph out of the car.
i'll be getting a malone stage 1 just because the shop that does it is a lot closer to me than the shops that do the other tunes.
Overall online from my research they were all fairly positively reviewed/reliable, but i guess it depends on what you are looking for and how much of an expert you are. Clearly todds87ss seems to know his stuff and the tune just wasn't up to par.
i'll just be happy to have the dpf/egr/def gone, but while im getting that work done i figured i might as well get a tune and get a bit more umph out of the car.
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Cheers.
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much less CEL will be nice. i bought the car CPO and the CPO warranty doesn't cover any of the emissions stuff (except for 2 components that have the 8 yr warranty). I've had the car just under a year and i already replaced the 2 Nox sensors and now i have a CEL for adblue heater malfunction. So i say screw the CPO warranty, i couldve already had the tune + deletes for the cost of the Nox sensors 
no point fixing the adblue heater, that part is expensive, im just going for the tune+deletes
i figured the whole malone tune + deletes took care of everything. here is what they list for the deletes "Remove DPF, Adblue, EGR, and Intake Swirl Flap" so am i right to assume the points you mentioned above they technically do as part of the tune and delete and i should be good to go?
thanks for your input
no point fixing the adblue heater, that part is expensive, im just going for the tune+deletes
i figured the whole malone tune + deletes took care of everything. here is what they list for the deletes "Remove DPF, Adblue, EGR, and Intake Swirl Flap" so am i right to assume the points you mentioned above they technically do as part of the tune and delete and i should be good to go?
thanks for your input
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i figured the whole malone tune + deletes took care of everything. here is what they list for the deletes "Remove DPF, Adblue, EGR, and Intake Swirl Flap" so am i right to assume the points you mentioned above they technically do as part of the tune and delete and i should be good to go?
thanks for your input
I only mentioned the swirl flap as most people want that deleted after they replace oil cooler O-rings.
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hmmm, ok. i did see that on the malone site. it says
"If you are deleting SCR (Adblue), then you must electrically unplug the controller. In ML SUVs it is usually located in the trunk, click here to see a picture. In GL SUVs it is usually located in the front passenger fender area. "
If you are deleting DPF & EGR, then we recommend unplugging the EGR valve for a smoother cold start/idle."
The click here link brings me to https://malonetuning.com/assets/uplo...ccount_id2.jpg
I definitely recognize that spot, it's under the spare tire, so should be easy to find and unplug. What about the EGR valve unplug. I see the part break down here https://www.mboemparts.com/v-2014-me...em--egr-system and EGR i believe is # 10, but will be hard for me to find without a full car blow up showing its location. My assumption is somewhere under the hood, but i haven't seen/recognized that part or any cables that plug in and what to unplug. Although helpful for parts, the https://www.mboemparts.com and https://www.mbpartsworld.com/ sites aren't that great since you can't get an overall view to specifically locate in/on the car where the part is. Know of any better sites or guides online?
Again i would've thought the mechanic does all of this as part of the Malone tune since that is what they recommend, but i guess maybe not :/
What happens/what problems does it cause if those are not unplugged? Or what benefit do you see from unplugging them?
After the work is done i'll have to double check those spots.
"If you are deleting SCR (Adblue), then you must electrically unplug the controller. In ML SUVs it is usually located in the trunk, click here to see a picture. In GL SUVs it is usually located in the front passenger fender area. "
If you are deleting DPF & EGR, then we recommend unplugging the EGR valve for a smoother cold start/idle."
The click here link brings me to https://malonetuning.com/assets/uplo...ccount_id2.jpg
I definitely recognize that spot, it's under the spare tire, so should be easy to find and unplug. What about the EGR valve unplug. I see the part break down here https://www.mboemparts.com/v-2014-me...em--egr-system and EGR i believe is # 10, but will be hard for me to find without a full car blow up showing its location. My assumption is somewhere under the hood, but i haven't seen/recognized that part or any cables that plug in and what to unplug. Although helpful for parts, the https://www.mboemparts.com and https://www.mbpartsworld.com/ sites aren't that great since you can't get an overall view to specifically locate in/on the car where the part is. Know of any better sites or guides online?
Again i would've thought the mechanic does all of this as part of the Malone tune since that is what they recommend, but i guess maybe not :/
What happens/what problems does it cause if those are not unplugged? Or what benefit do you see from unplugging them?
After the work is done i'll have to double check those spots.
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I am not much of programmer, but contacted my inclined friend about unplugging deleted sensors.
When it might not be really necessary, the "tune" is bypassing the program to fool main computer that sensor is not needed, or something in this way. When you leave the sensor plug, initial check might still find it and then computer is getting conflicting data.
Those are pretty expensive sensors and I did not want to destroy them, so I wrapped the plugs into food sealing wrap
When it might not be really necessary, the "tune" is bypassing the program to fool main computer that sensor is not needed, or something in this way. When you leave the sensor plug, initial check might still find it and then computer is getting conflicting data.
Those are pretty expensive sensors and I did not want to destroy them, so I wrapped the plugs into food sealing wrap
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food sealing wrap? like https://www.glad.com/food-storage/pl...rap/clingwrap/ ?
i assume the SCR controller unplug would be fine like that since it is in the trunk under the spare tire, but i would think there is no way you can wrap the EGR plug with that. It's got to get hot around the EGR area and that wrap would melt.
Unless you are referring to a different food seal wrap.
Good thinking wrapping the connectors after unplugging them, if it's in the engine bay i guess it possibly could get some splash up, especilaly if you remove the belly pan in the summer months like peter mentioned.
But what to wrap it with, it would have to be heat resistance and also fairly water proof/air tight to prvent damage to the connector.
i assume the SCR controller unplug would be fine like that since it is in the trunk under the spare tire, but i would think there is no way you can wrap the EGR plug with that. It's got to get hot around the EGR area and that wrap would melt.
Unless you are referring to a different food seal wrap.
Good thinking wrapping the connectors after unplugging them, if it's in the engine bay i guess it possibly could get some splash up, especilaly if you remove the belly pan in the summer months like peter mentioned.
But what to wrap it with, it would have to be heat resistance and also fairly water proof/air tight to prvent damage to the connector.
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hmmm, ok. i did see that on the malone site. it says
"If you are deleting SCR (Adblue), then you must electrically unplug the controller. In ML SUVs it is usually located in the trunk, click here to see a picture. In GL SUVs it is usually located in the front passenger fender area. "
If you are deleting DPF & EGR, then we recommend unplugging the EGR valve for a smoother cold start/idle."
The click here link brings me to https://malonetuning.com/assets/uplo...ccount_id2.jpg
I definitely recognize that spot, it's under the spare tire, so should be easy to find and unplug. What about the EGR valve unplug. I see the part break down here https://www.mboemparts.com/v-2014-me...em--egr-system and EGR i believe is # 10, but will be hard for me to find without a full car blow up showing its location. My assumption is somewhere under the hood, but i haven't seen/recognized that part or any cables that plug in and what to unplug. Although helpful for parts, the https://www.mboemparts.com and https://www.mbpartsworld.com/ sites aren't that great since you can't get an overall view to specifically locate in/on the car where the part is. Know of any better sites or guides online?
Again i would've thought the mechanic does all of this as part of the Malone tune since that is what they recommend, but i guess maybe not :/
What happens/what problems does it cause if those are not unplugged? Or what benefit do you see from unplugging them?
After the work is done i'll have to double check those spots.
"If you are deleting SCR (Adblue), then you must electrically unplug the controller. In ML SUVs it is usually located in the trunk, click here to see a picture. In GL SUVs it is usually located in the front passenger fender area. "
If you are deleting DPF & EGR, then we recommend unplugging the EGR valve for a smoother cold start/idle."
The click here link brings me to https://malonetuning.com/assets/uplo...ccount_id2.jpg
I definitely recognize that spot, it's under the spare tire, so should be easy to find and unplug. What about the EGR valve unplug. I see the part break down here https://www.mboemparts.com/v-2014-me...em--egr-system and EGR i believe is # 10, but will be hard for me to find without a full car blow up showing its location. My assumption is somewhere under the hood, but i haven't seen/recognized that part or any cables that plug in and what to unplug. Although helpful for parts, the https://www.mboemparts.com and https://www.mbpartsworld.com/ sites aren't that great since you can't get an overall view to specifically locate in/on the car where the part is. Know of any better sites or guides online?
Again i would've thought the mechanic does all of this as part of the Malone tune since that is what they recommend, but i guess maybe not :/
What happens/what problems does it cause if those are not unplugged? Or what benefit do you see from unplugging them?
After the work is done i'll have to double check those spots.
Not sure why, though. On the Duramax, if you do not block it, even when turned off, it still passes exhaust gas at higher boost pressures. That is not the reason for unplugging, just providing info that there is always something...
I am at 500 miles and no CELs. This is a new record for me. Definitely enjoying no limp mode!
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found some videos, thanks!
my understanding is that the software deletes will just prevent the valve from opening and recirculating the gases. Besides unplugging the valve, would there be any benefit to taking out the valve and cleaning it? I'm wondering if there is a lot of build up in it maybe it wont seal properly when closed and may still allow some gas to pass through.
my understanding is that the software deletes will just prevent the valve from opening and recirculating the gases. Besides unplugging the valve, would there be any benefit to taking out the valve and cleaning it? I'm wondering if there is a lot of build up in it maybe it wont seal properly when closed and may still allow some gas to pass through.
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EGR removal?
found some videos, thanks!
my understanding is that the software deletes will just prevent the valve from opening and recirculating the gases. Besides unplugging the valve, would there be any benefit to taking out the valve and cleaning it? I'm wondering if there is a lot of build up in it maybe it wont seal properly when closed and may still allow some gas to pass through.
my understanding is that the software deletes will just prevent the valve from opening and recirculating the gases. Besides unplugging the valve, would there be any benefit to taking out the valve and cleaning it? I'm wondering if there is a lot of build up in it maybe it wont seal properly when closed and may still allow some gas to pass through.
If you really want to do it, I say have at it. There is a lot of info out there however related to difficulty in removing the valve. It gets stuck in place, and clearances are tight. The best way I have heard of to remove for cleaning it to loosen the 2 bolts holding it in place (I think you would also want to remove the turbo heat shield). Leave the 2 bolts threaded in a few turns. Then start the car and rev it to boost. The added pressure has been known to force the EGR valve out, while still captured by the bolts.
I did not know about this method when I was taking mine apart, so I had to remove the intake to get it out.
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thanks for the info, but looking at the pic i posted in the other thread, it definately looks like a PITA to try and remove or do anything with it. I'll probably just unplug it and figure out a way to wrap it and protect the plug. who knows maybe i'll end up using glad wrap, i just figured that stuff was too dainty to use under the hood :/
maybe ill wrap it with glad wrap and then wrap the glad wrap with electrical tape to be safe
maybe ill wrap it with glad wrap and then wrap the glad wrap with electrical tape to be safe
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hmmm, ok. i did see that on the malone site. it says
"If you are deleting SCR (Adblue), then you must electrically unplug the controller. In ML SUVs it is usually located in the trunk, click here to see a picture. In GL SUVs it is usually located in the front passenger fender area. "
If you are deleting DPF & EGR, then we recommend unplugging the EGR valve for a smoother cold start/idle."
The click here link brings me to https://malonetuning.com/assets/uplo...ccount_id2.jpg
I definitely recognize that spot, it's under the spare tire, so should be easy to find and unplug. What about the EGR valve unplug. I see the part break down here https://www.mboemparts.com/v-2014-me...em--egr-system and EGR i believe is # 10, but will be hard for me to find without a full car blow up showing its location. My assumption is somewhere under the hood, but i haven't seen/recognized that part or any cables that plug in and what to unplug. Although helpful for parts, the https://www.mboemparts.com and https://www.mbpartsworld.com/ sites aren't that great since you can't get an overall view to specifically locate in/on the car where the part is. Know of any better sites or guides online?
Again i would've thought the mechanic does all of this as part of the Malone tune since that is what they recommend, but i guess maybe not :/
What happens/what problems does it cause if those are not unplugged? Or what benefit do you see from unplugging them?
After the work is done i'll have to double check those spots.
"If you are deleting SCR (Adblue), then you must electrically unplug the controller. In ML SUVs it is usually located in the trunk, click here to see a picture. In GL SUVs it is usually located in the front passenger fender area. "
If you are deleting DPF & EGR, then we recommend unplugging the EGR valve for a smoother cold start/idle."
The click here link brings me to https://malonetuning.com/assets/uplo...ccount_id2.jpg
I definitely recognize that spot, it's under the spare tire, so should be easy to find and unplug. What about the EGR valve unplug. I see the part break down here https://www.mboemparts.com/v-2014-me...em--egr-system and EGR i believe is # 10, but will be hard for me to find without a full car blow up showing its location. My assumption is somewhere under the hood, but i haven't seen/recognized that part or any cables that plug in and what to unplug. Although helpful for parts, the https://www.mboemparts.com and https://www.mbpartsworld.com/ sites aren't that great since you can't get an overall view to specifically locate in/on the car where the part is. Know of any better sites or guides online?
Again i would've thought the mechanic does all of this as part of the Malone tune since that is what they recommend, but i guess maybe not :/
What happens/what problems does it cause if those are not unplugged? Or what benefit do you see from unplugging them?
After the work is done i'll have to double check those spots.
Sorry late to thread but just got my 2013 GL350 malone tuned. I was having issues with throttle body fluctuating. and shop suggested unplugging throttle body itself. is it safe and has someone experienced this ?
