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Old May 12, 2021 | 01:59 PM
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Diesel classifieds?

Do any of you diesel enthusiasts use any diesel specific sites to buy / sell diesel vehicles? I currently have my 2008 ML320 CDI listed but haven't gotten much interest. It's in excellent condition, so toying with the idea of keeping it but maybe I'll list it in a few other places first.

I do have it listed here as well: https://mbworld.org/forums/market/812430


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Old May 12, 2021 | 05:44 PM
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Interesting you say that. I had a few fixes but besides the oil cooler, none were too big of a deal. It's been running flawlessly for the last two years orso. Then again, I don't commute or drive short distances; that may help. Most bigger items have been addressed already.
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I guess it is not good time for selling diesels in USA.
I just listed my 2014 E250 Bluetec on ebay and got only very low bids. The car after AEM is having 4 years extended warranty on most of engine components, so not only excelent 60 mpg car, but should be worry free for several years regardless high mileage.
Still the years of bad wrap diesels get in USA will not go away fast.
Than the 30 years old MB diesels sell higher than 6 years old.
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Old May 12, 2021 | 06:02 PM
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I guess it is not good time for selling diesels in USA.
I just listed my 2014 E250 Bluetec on ebay and got only very low bids. The car after AEM is having 4 years extended warranty on most of engine components, so not only excelent 60 mpg car, but should be worry free for several years regardless high mileage.
Still the years of bad wrap diesels get in USA will not go away fast.
Than the 30 years old MB diesels sell higher than 6 years old.
I guess. Such a shame because I LOVE mine! It has been a great road trip car; I just don't have a real need for it anymore and hate having an extra car sitting there.
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Old May 14, 2021 | 11:42 AM
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I guess. Such a shame because I LOVE mine! It has been a great road trip car; I just don't have a real need for it anymore and hate having an extra car sitting there.

The E250 is one of the best road trip cars ever. Quiet, powerful and effortlessly smooth on the highway in a way most other cars just aren't.

It's funny, you get into it and the seats don't strike you as the most comfortable things ever. Then after 12 hours you feel great and you realize that you would ABSOLUTELY HATE most other cars by that point and the E250 still feels like an old friend.

I generally run 10+ hours on the highway before getting fuel which is just silly.

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Old May 14, 2021 | 12:28 PM
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I generally run 10+ hours on the highway before getting fuel which is just silly.

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Just for comparison - years ago I picked up E320 gas wagon with 4M in Chicago. Driving it to San Francisco, I was fueling in advance in the cites, to avoid gouging prices at remote gas stations.
At the time I could keep CC above 100 mph and with cheap fuel I did so.
So with lousy fuel economy, I was fueling 6-8 times a day. Thanks God for cards sweepers on the pumps.
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Old May 14, 2021 | 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by mfab
The E250 is one of the best road trip cars ever. Quiet, powerful and effortlessly smooth on the highway in a way most other cars just aren't.

It's funny, you get into it and the seats don't strike you as the most comfortable things ever. Then after 12 hours you feel great and you realize that you would ABSOLUTELY HATE most other cars by that point and the E250 still feels like an old friend.

I generally run 10+ hours on the highway before getting fuel which is just silly.

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Mercedes tends to really nail comfort. I used to do long drives in my ML as well. I would set cruise control on my way back from the Eastern Sierra and it was so freakin' smooth and comfortable, it was hard to stay awake at times LOL I obviously didn't get quite the mileage you do but still easily got 600+ mi on one tank.

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This place is a joke.
MB diesels built after 2006 are a nightmare, and just about everyone knows that. However, your primary problem is that you are overpriced. You're asking $11.9k for a 98k mile 2008 diesel ML.......this is a ballpark $7000 car.
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Originally Posted by E55Greasemonkey
MB diesels built after 2006 are a nightmare, and just about everyone knows that. However, your primary problem is that you are overpriced. You're asking $11.9k for a 98k mile 2008 diesel ML.......this is a ballpark $7000 car.
Depends where you are located. Excellent KBB for my area is $9600 - $12000. $7k is low trade-in; that's basically what Carvana offers (I already checked). For that money, I'll just keep it. Also not sure why there is this notion of it being a nightmare? Sure, I had some fixes but overall, it's been great! Maybe I just got lucky?
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MB diesels built after 2006 are a nightmare, and just about everyone knows that. However, your primary problem is that you are overpriced. You're asking $11.9k for a 98k mile 2008 diesel ML.......this is a ballpark $7000 car.
That's pure propaganda.
The 2006-2010 (?) pre DEF Bluetecs run without issues, although owners need to do their homework about DPF.
The DEF-era Bluetecs have few weak components in SCR system, what current settlement address - giving them 4 years extended warranty.
Can't get it better than this.
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Old May 15, 2021 | 12:23 AM
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You can argue all you want, but the bottom line is that it will sell when you price it for what it's worth. This is the same with any car. You don't determine the market price, the buyers do....and "you ain't got no buyers." Pretty much everyone thinks their cars are worth more than they really are. The fact it's a diesel makes in harder to sell than the gasoline version. I said ballpark, so you may get $8k but being a diesel you'll either have to wait longer to sell it, or price it lower to move it.

KBB is a joke, and is created for and by the NADA dealership's union. Edmund's TMV is a better (more realistic) pricing tool. They show your car at $8149 clean private sale. I personally own 6 MB's, 3 of which are 164 ML's so I'm quite familiar with their value.
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Old May 15, 2021 | 12:27 AM
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That's pure propaganda.
The 2006-2010 (?) pre DEF Bluetecs run without issues, although owners need to do their homework about DPF.
The DEF-era Bluetecs have few weak components in SCR system, what current settlement address - giving them 4 years extended warranty.
Can't get it better than this.
Propaganda? LoL.....I've been working on MB professionally for 19 years. I know junk when I see it. I would absolutely never own, or recommend any family or friends to own an MB diesel built after 2006!
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Propaganda? LoL.....I've been working on MB professionally for 19 years. I know junk when I see it. I would absolutely never own, or recommend any family or friends to own an MB diesel built after 2006!
Now we know why MB diesel have such bad opinions
IMHO MB never made bad diesel, even some might not live to 1 millions miles.
Only bad things that happen on MB diesel owners in USA are mechanics.
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Old May 15, 2021 | 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by E55Greasemonkey
You can argue all you want, but the bottom line is that it will sell when you price it for what it's worth. This is the same with any car. You don't determine the market price, the buyers do....and "you ain't got no buyers." Pretty much everyone thinks their cars are worth more than they really are. The fact it's a diesel makes in harder to sell than the gasoline version. I said ballpark, so you may get $8k but being a diesel you'll either have to wait longer to sell it, or price it lower to move it.

KBB is a joke, and is created for and by the NADA dealership's union. Edmund's TMV is a better (more realistic) pricing tool. They show your car at $8149 clean private sale. I personally own 6 MB's, 3 of which are 164 ML's so I'm quite familiar with their value.
I find KBB to be fairly accurate in my area (except for specialty vehicles); it is also the most commonly used whether you personally like it or not. And yes, it is market driven and I've looked; the only CDI you could find in my area under $8k was a 2007, beat up and had 178k mi on it. I don't think price is the main problem, more so that it is a very niche market of buyers looking for one. I already said no to $10k btw, so not all that far off.
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Now we know why MB diesel have such bad opinions
IMHO MB never made bad diesel, even some might not live to 1 millions miles.
Only bad things that happen on MB diesel owners in USA are mechanics.
MB diesels are so great, that's why they stopped selling them in the U.S. market, huh?
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I find KBB to be fairly accurate in my area (except for specialty vehicles); it is also the most commonly used whether you personally like it or not. And yes, it is market driven and I've looked; the only CDI you could find in my area under $8k was a 2007, beat up and had 178k mi on it. I don't think price is the main problem, more so that it is a very niche market of buyers looking for one. I already said no to $10k btw, so not all that far off.
You have all the answers, yet, your car is still not sold. Best of luck to you!
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You have all the answers, yet, your car is still not sold. Best of luck to you!
Thank you!
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MB diesels are so great, that's why they stopped selling them in the U.S. market, huh?
I already said it - lack of qualified mechanics is main issue here.
Than you must be talking about passenger cars as Sprinters are still sold in huge numbers.
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I already said it - lack of qualified mechanics is main issue here.
Than you must be talking about passenger cars as Sprinters are still sold in huge numbers.
Yes, passenger cars. Lack of qualified mechanics is a huge issue. Many dealerships are now staffed with kids fresh out of "UTI" trade school with no experience and little mechanical ability as they all grew up with touch screens and never fixed a bicycle or built a plastic model. 🙄 They've also got $40k worth of students loans to pay back for their "education" and guarantee of a dealership job.

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This place is a joke.
Put your car on AutoTrader, it's only $100 for nationwide coverage. I've listed 2 cars here myself and not so much as one offer, this isn't a good place to sell. I advertised both cars locally on OfferUp, Nextdoor, and AutoTrader and both sold within 1 week.
If you were offered 10k you absolutely should have taken it. Serious question for you- do you think your diesel is worth more money than a gas version?

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.......- do you think your diesel is worth more money than a gas version?
Just compare the prices. When Bluetecs still suffer from bad propaganda, back in 1998-99 diesel E class was the cheapest option in US, while E55 cost $15k, or 40% more.
Now garage queen 1998 E300 diesels still go for 10 grands, when the same era E55 are selling for what the wheels are worth.
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Originally Posted by E55Greasemonkey
Serious question for you- do you think your diesel is worth more money than a gas version?
For me personally it is. Especially now that the main issues have been addressed, I'd buy the CDI over the gas version any day. More torque, better mileage. When I bought it in 2014, the diesels all sold for a premium over the gas models.
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Just compare the prices. When Bluetecs still suffer from bad propaganda, back in 1998-99 diesel E class was the cheapest option in US, while E55 cost $15k, or 40% more.
Now garage queen 1998 E300 diesels still go for 10 grands, when the same era E55 are selling for what the wheels are worth.
This is incorrect. Similar mileage and condition 210 E55's sell for 2 to 4 times more than the E300 diesels.
Check those facts yourself if you'd like:
https://bringatrailer.com/

Regardless, this has nothing to do with 164 diesel vs. gas
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For me personally it is. Especially now that the main issues have been addressed, I'd buy the CDI over the gas version any day. More torque, better mileage. When I bought it in 2014, the diesels all sold for a premium over the gas models.
This is the problem....for you it may be worth more, for the buying public (and myself) it's worth less, and it's harder to sell.
My point is this:
1) you are not being realistic with prices
2) to get a comparable market price you need to compare yours to 2008 gas version ML350.
3) I don't think your car is really for sale
4) most buyers do NOT want a diesel
5) gas ML will go many more miles without repairs
than any diesel, saving more money in the long run. This is a fact.

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This is the problem....for you it may be worth more, for the buying public (and myself) it's worth less, and it's harder to sell.
My point is this:
1) you are not being realistic with prices
2) to get a comparable market price you need to compare yours to 2008 gas version ML350.
3) I don't think your car is really for sale
4) most buyers do NOT want a diesel
5) gas ML will go many more miles without repairs
than any diesel, saving more money in the long run. This is a fact.
It's all good and yea, you indeed need a buyer that WANTS a diesel. This is what $8k gets you: https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ws...317255196.html
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