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yummy motor

davis449

E 500's/500E's are beautiful cars and I wish I could afford one. I imagine they would be expensive to maintain. A Prosche and Mercedes venture? That's a beautiful thing!

zeronero

Yes, the ULTIMATE!

///AMG124

uh... .this is like the second or 3rd time for it to be up on ebay...

David Hendy

Yes, I have touched the holy grail, I have driven this car. I almost bought it from the previous owner, with whom I could not agree a price.

This is one quick, quick motor car. Faster than the old type E55 (I've yet to have the pleasure of the new one) and handles like a go kart. The LSD is fabulous, the car just plain goes, feels 30% faster than my car, which with an additional 100 hp it is!

David Hendy
'92 500E Some upgrades

Jim's500E

I know the car also...and its history...Tony will be lucky to get high 30's for it IMO. He did fix it up pretty nice since Alan had it but its no $45K car.

soldsep

the 500E was only built in a porsche factory BY mercedes benz. So there is really nothing in it that is porsche. Mercedes just used there factory cuz they needed a factory at the time to build the car.

Jim's500E

Well then...I'll elaborate a wee bit more ...500Es were built on the Porsche 959 assembly line, along with the Audi RS2, at their Rossel Blau factory because they were too wide for the MB Sindelfingen line. MB provided painted shells and parts while the Porsche techs modded certain things and put most of the car together, going back between factories a few times stacked on special trucks during construction. I may be wrong , but I thought I read it took 8 days to assemble one 500E.

You are correct that there are no 'Porsche' parts on it though.

soldsep

cool i learn more about why they used porsche factory instead of there own.

yhliem

That is incorrect. The 500E/E500 was built at WerksII in Zuffenhausen by Porsche and Porsche technicians FOR Mercedes-Benz.

This is correct, although Porsche assisted with the engineering changes.

This is, in essence, correct. A deeper explanation is that the demand for the W124 was such that M-B didn't have enough capacity at Sindelfingen to modify and build such a low production car, so Porsche was contracted to do the work as WerksII in Zuffenhausen was unused since Porsche had built a new assebly line across the street.

Incidentally the Ausi RS2 was built side-by-side with the 500E500. Both cars were modified and built by hand as opposed to on an automated assembly line.

Going a little deeper into the arrangement, Porsche was in trouble in the late '80s. Insufficient demand and cash-flow had Porsche rumored ot be in danger of being bought by non-German companies. In order to prevent such a storied German automaker from falling into foreign hands Daimler-Benz and Audi contracted the 500E500 and RS2 to Porsche to provide the company with some much needed cash-flow.

The fact that Porsche had the capacity and the expertise to build those models were side-benefits. I've no doubt that Daimler and Audi could have made room for the 500E500 and RS2 if they realy wanted/needed to.

Jim's500E

Yes INDEED Yliem...its all too true, a special 'coach-built' car, not many cars made like that anymore, at such accessible prices today...the build quality is superb, even ay my 140K I can say its very tight and solid all over.

...but I'm believing they command more top dollar in stocker forms nowadays...what do you think?

Jim's500E

Cool...I'm amazed!! there's even less room in that regular W124 than the real 500E car...how difficult was the install and what did you have to mod to get it all in there?

Looks good.

Paul Le Corre

If you want the ultimate E500, take the 6.5 engine from brabus.

AudiRyder

There were three major problems. 1, Motor mounts, I used the stock mounts, but we had to fabricate different brackets in slightly different locations. 2. Space, we had to reroute most of the cars vacuum and coolant lines to be able to fit the hardware (alternator, ac compressor, starter), and fitting the V8 Radiator required the fabrication of different mounting points. 3.Wiring. We used the stock ECU set up, but we almost had to call in a electrician to tie it in to the transmission and the wiring inside the car. But, we figured it out, and the whole conversion from start to finish took less than two weeks (from start to finish) once all of the parts were in.




-John-

ZorroAMG

AudiRyder,

What was the total cost of said swap? I was looking to do the same to my 300E but was told that I need the whole front end from a 500E to do the conversion.

ZorroAMG

What about a turbo system for my currently slow M103 inlie six 12V?

Manuel 320CE

Have you done any other motor swap upgrades with the W124 E-class ?? Any supercharger fitments on the I-6 3.2L M104 ??