Lowering question
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And Last RIDE HEIGHT
Ride Height
Changes in ride height will affect camber and toe so if springs are replaced or torsion bars are adjusted, then the wheel alignment must be checked to avoid the possibility of tire wear.
AMG Rolled the Fenders for a reason..
The cars were / are lower and they needed the extra clearance for the larger rims/tires...If The Factory did it there was a reason WHY!
Ever drive a corner fast and hit a bump?..ala Bumpsteer..
On a lowered 210/211 without the fenders rolled its a matter of time before the tires will damage the edge of the front fenders.. I Have seen several
Changes in ride height will affect camber and toe so if springs are replaced or torsion bars are adjusted, then the wheel alignment must be checked to avoid the possibility of tire wear.
AMG Rolled the Fenders for a reason..
The cars were / are lower and they needed the extra clearance for the larger rims/tires...If The Factory did it there was a reason WHY!
Ever drive a corner fast and hit a bump?..ala Bumpsteer..
On a lowered 210/211 without the fenders rolled its a matter of time before the tires will damage the edge of the front fenders.. I Have seen several
Last edited by MARK CUMMINS; Oct 28, 2008 at 02:18 PM.
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"AMG Rolled the Fenders for a reason..."
Yes, its called a design factor of safety. Do you know what that is?
Ohlord- Did you not read in my post that I called MB and they confirmed these specs based on my ride height and VIN using their machine there? Obviously not.
Toe causes wear buddy. Camber causes toe. They affect each other when one is toggled.
Get back on wikipedia and keep the info coming!
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Yes, its called a design factor of safety. Do you know what that is?
Ohlord- Did you not read in my post that I called MB and they confirmed these specs based on my ride height and VIN using their machine there? Obviously not.
Toe causes wear buddy. Camber causes toe. They affect each other when one is toggled.
Get back on wikipedia and keep the info coming!
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You've
already proven yourself an ***,now go out and wear your tires down.
You set toe last,after setting all else.
You refer to Steve Brotherton ,at continental call him and ask his opinion of low profile tires lowered suspensions and The money needed to do it properly on a w210 model.
Who did you call at Mercedes Benz?The indie shop that let you drive out with the car set up to wear the tires out in ten thousand miles?
Get back to us in a year,with the salt on your hat.
Or is that some new program you can offer us an 800 number to call that we call all dial and go out and measure with a tape measure and write down our vin number and call Germany and they will punch in the numbers and tell us that our car is aligned?
AMG E55 ran a 31et up front and rolled the fender for the reasons Mark noted.You are running an 8.5 rim with a 37 Et moving the inner edge of the rim inwards reducing the need for fender clearance on the front and your problem will eventually be contact on the suspension side.
Have you seen Marks Wagon?Do you know It's modifications?You already know my background.You can Google Mark Cummins W210 featured Wagon on many sites.
Note his tires have no wear issues ,because he, unlike you, spent the money to learn how to ask and follow the correct solution.
http://www.mbenznl.nl/index.php?opti...id=28&catid=28
You have a long way to go with your lack of demonstrated knowledge of cars before you can even begin to pick up the stick to beat the
You set toe last,after setting all else.
You refer to Steve Brotherton ,at continental call him and ask his opinion of low profile tires lowered suspensions and The money needed to do it properly on a w210 model.
Who did you call at Mercedes Benz?The indie shop that let you drive out with the car set up to wear the tires out in ten thousand miles?
Get back to us in a year,with the salt on your hat.
Or is that some new program you can offer us an 800 number to call that we call all dial and go out and measure with a tape measure and write down our vin number and call Germany and they will punch in the numbers and tell us that our car is aligned?
AMG E55 ran a 31et up front and rolled the fender for the reasons Mark noted.You are running an 8.5 rim with a 37 Et moving the inner edge of the rim inwards reducing the need for fender clearance on the front and your problem will eventually be contact on the suspension side.
Have you seen Marks Wagon?Do you know It's modifications?You already know my background.You can Google Mark Cummins W210 featured Wagon on many sites.
Note his tires have no wear issues ,because he, unlike you, spent the money to learn how to ask and follow the correct solution.
http://www.mbenznl.nl/index.php?opti...id=28&catid=28
You have a long way to go with your lack of demonstrated knowledge of cars before you can even begin to pick up the stick to beat the
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Yes
I think he needs to take about a half a bottle,it might relieve him of all that crap he has packed up
Wait that's castor,you were asking about caster.The angle drawn between steering pivot points and a perpendicular point to the ground,not the oil used to cleanse ones bowels
nevermind
Wait that's castor,you were asking about caster.The angle drawn between steering pivot points and a perpendicular point to the ground,not the oil used to cleanse ones bowels
nevermind
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I think he needs to take about a half a bottle,it might relieve him of all that crap he has packed up
Wait that's castor,you were asking about caster.The angle drawn between steering pivot points and a perpendicular point to the ground,not the oil used to cleanse ones bowels
nevermind
Wait that's castor,you were asking about caster.The angle drawn between steering pivot points and a perpendicular point to the ground,not the oil used to cleanse ones bowels
nevermind
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Hey Mark
While you are providing invaluable definitions..How about one more:Rolled fenders? How is it done? How to tell if its been done. reason for rolling?....hey at least I don't pretend to know: thanks
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300E a couple 1994 w124wagon E320 Wagon/,1971MGB Track/Rally, MG Midget Autocross ,2000 E320 wagon.
First
you get a baseball bat,wait that's the old way.
A fender roller gets mounted to the wheel hub and on a concentric arc with a hard nylon roller and the use of a heat gun to soften the paint and clear coat is gently applied with pressure in a motion arc from a point foward of the calculated point of interference from a tire to a point rear most on the fender lip of that contact.Raymond had a very nice drawing of how it looked on one of his old posts.Some tire shops carry them,discount tire in some areas.Some car clubs have them for member use,My MG club has one,Eastwoods sells one.
Or if you are old school a turned wheel ,a baseball bat,a heat gun and a friend to drive the car slowly while you have the ***** to carry out the task
I hope I was visual enough in my explanation.
A fender roller gets mounted to the wheel hub and on a concentric arc with a hard nylon roller and the use of a heat gun to soften the paint and clear coat is gently applied with pressure in a motion arc from a point foward of the calculated point of interference from a tire to a point rear most on the fender lip of that contact.Raymond had a very nice drawing of how it looked on one of his old posts.Some tire shops carry them,discount tire in some areas.Some car clubs have them for member use,My MG club has one,Eastwoods sells one.
Or if you are old school a turned wheel ,a baseball bat,a heat gun and a friend to drive the car slowly while you have the ***** to carry out the task
I hope I was visual enough in my explanation.
thanks man I have been enlightened....
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the aforementioned diagram found here. as ohlord said, you're only rolling the
lip, in the majority of the time. the Eastwood et al type rollers are not built to
roll a fender on a bigger scale. that's probably better for hammering and reshaping
expert, e.g. flaring the fender for super low offset configurations.
lip, in the majority of the time. the Eastwood et al type rollers are not built to
roll a fender on a bigger scale. that's probably better for hammering and reshaping
expert, e.g. flaring the fender for super low offset configurations.
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easy way to tell...feel the inside of the front fender at 10 to 2 and the edge should be flush/flat vs the edge open like the rest of the fender lip edge
Reason for this is when the suspension is loaded on a hard turn the wide amg rim/tire will rub the fender edge...problem solved when its rolled
any decent tire shop will/should have a hub roller set up
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You are by far the biggest retard, douche bag, jack ***, uneducated, low class, idiot I've ever seen. You don't deserve a Mercedes. Are you out of high school yet? You're a ricer with your interior LED's. What a chode.
Ohlord, this is exactly when you hit someone in the back of the head so lightning comes out of their ***. It's used for fools who don't listen.
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Now
Now,remember.We don't call people with brain infarctions That disparaging name.
I think after the last salvo he finally figured out he was out gunned and out experienced,and is off trying to decide if he should spend more of his money on a sprintbooster or a vornado or if it would be wiser to build an HHO browns gas injection kit
I think after the last salvo he finally figured out he was out gunned and out experienced,and is off trying to decide if he should spend more of his money on a sprintbooster or a vornado or if it would be wiser to build an HHO browns gas injection kit
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Geez, such emotion over alignment of a lowered Benz! 
Gotta love it.
My 1999 W210 has the repair kit bolts in the front and the E55 adjusting bolts in the rear. I have no alignment or camber issues.
Gotta love it.My 1999 W210 has the repair kit bolts in the front and the E55 adjusting bolts in the rear. I have no alignment or camber issues.
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Here's my '01 with an H&R Sport Lower Kit and 18" AMG wheels. I don't think I have any alignment or camber issues with my set-up, but then the vehicle only has 4,844 miles on it, with maybe half that since the lowering two years ago...
http://www.geocities.com/mymercedesb...oy_wheels.html
http://www.geocities.com/mymercedesb...oy_wheels.html
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From what I have heard, getting the camber kits can take a long while and from what mickaveli said, it might be more difficult to resolve a camber issue on my car than the other w210 models.
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K-mac
makes a rear camber bushing set for your model.Big company,lots of parts ready to ship.len and speedybenz build custom so order early.
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Ok so i will have to order the repair kit bolts for the front and then i can get a K-mac camber kit for the rear and im set with out the e55 adjusting bolts correct?
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im going to get the springs and shocks installed soon on #3 or 4 pads. Anyway should i get the camber arms and the repair bolts installed with the springs and shocks to save work later down the line or is it pointless and should i wait until the springs settle? Is it nessesary to get an alignment after the spring and shocks are installed?
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Gee I wish I knew that excessive camber didn't contribute to tire wear. I guess I've wasted my money when I bought caster/camber plates for my Mustang. And to think of all of those times I thought that too much camber was eating the inside edge off my foam tires in my RC race car it was the just the toe the whole time! . . . Seriously, who in their right mind would believe a tire riding on its shoulder would wear evenly? Besides the tire wear issue too much camber will also effect straight line stability especially on uneven roads. Thinking about lowering my W210 but would like to hear about peoples experience with driveways and speed bumps and stuff like that. My Mustang is lowered 1.5 and some speed bumps are a real pain and my driveway is a bit tricky. Its a dirt road and gets washed out by the rain.
