rokacook

I have a 2000 W210 E320 wagon (not 4matic). The other day my wife brings car home indicated that the Traction triangle light came on when started and never went off. I went out to look at it and the ignition turns fine, but no sound at all not even click. The selector is stuck in park as well. The brakes lights come on when pedal depressed. The starter when jumped at starter relay turns fine. seems to be either the brake light switch ( if it can cause these malfunctions even though brake lights work? ) the next thing I suspect is the EIS ( is there a test for that?)
Finally I asked family did anyone spill into selector, all said no ( I agree foolish design for MB to put next to such a vulnerable part a cup holder without some external cover or water proof protection) Are there any other things I should check? All fuses have been tested with voltmeter. The relays for starter checked for function and continuity after powering with 12V. I do not have a MB code reader I need to get one, as I have two other MB's, a 1990 560 SEL and a rare 1995 E420 only 1,500 made world wide, the 94's are much more plentiful. Any way looking for most obvious failures and ways to test components.
I am dreading the conductor plate and connector on Transmission ( I hope that is not the problem), I checked for wicking of trans fluid at TCM all dry.

khomer2

Welcome rokacook,

1) It may be the battery, check the voltage of your battery,
2) brake switch, swap it out, it's cheap and your best option at this time.
3) Look in your manual it shows how to use a pen to press the detent in the shifter to get it out of park so it can be towed, if required.
4) With your other MBs, and present situation, I would suggest you get yourself a good scanner - it's worth the investment so you can read any saved codes.
Scan for codes and post here.

rokacook

I will start with the brake light switch. The only hesitation I have with that is that the brake lights work, and I had just replaced that switch last year ( the symptoms were different then I actually could still drive the car just had no brake lights, unlike the W124 when it happened ( had no brake lights ) it went into limp mode and would not start the next day. The battery was just swapped with my W126 battery 1000 CCA so I am certain that is not the cause, but will trickle charge after brake light switch change out. Thanks for responding so quickly.

rokacook

Replaced brake light switch ( no change ) I guess i have an extra one. disconnected battery put on trickle charge over night the battery at hook up was not low but kept on charge all night anyway. reconnected battery tried to start no change. Guess I am buying a scanner, I seem to be having problem discovering which one I should get? the W126 no scanner would work with anyway, the W124 would require the 38pin setup and available software, won't peruse that yet, The case in front of me is the W210 E320 which many scanners do not list at all like the iCarsoft MBII for Mercedes Benz/Sprinter/Smart Professional Diagnostic Tool Scanner ABS,SRS ect W210 not listed Think I will purchase the Foxwell NT 510 scanner with a 38 pin adapter is that advisable? any suggestions?

khomer2

I use the Autel DS708 and , for all our vehicles.

rokacook

Thanks for your reply the Autel DS708 is a bit out of my price range at the moment was hoping for a more economical solution. What would a scanner have to have the capacity to scan considering the present problem? Something is preventing the starter relay supplying current to the starter and the Gear selector from releasing from park is some sort of computer code preventing these.

khomer2

Hummm, if you can get an indie nearby to do a basic scan to see if you have any saved codes. I'm betting you have them.
or possibly borrow use of a scanner, one even from a neighbor/friend.

The only way you can read the codes from the transmission module, is through the 38 pin connector.
Post your query over in the other forum too.
Im sure you will get a faster response.

rokacook

I think I will purchase the Foxwell NT510 it has the Transmission scanner also. I have saved the information on the Autel DS708 because it seems would be at another time a great tool to have. The other forum i guess you mean the benzworld forum? I have an account there but have since tried to reset my password with no email follow up from web site.

khomer2

It can scan for your tranny codes out of the box? make sure.... I believe they only come with the one standard cable that connects to your obd port under the DS steering column. You still need the correct obd2 38pin connector/adapter to read from the port under the hood.

edit: found this customer posting - but double check yourself - and if it doesnt, if you buy from amazon, can always return it.

rokacook

Thanks will double check that. I also plan on ordering a 38 pin adapter for that scanner as well. I was able to request a new password on benzworld waiting for followup email, that is usually where I don't get response. Time will tell thanks for your help thus far. will keep all posted. Seems like you are suspicious of shifter module or conductor plates? Was able to reset password this time I have tried numerous times in the last year with no success, except for tonight! Thanks.

rokacook

Thanks for looking that up awesome, you are very helpful.

khomer2

yes.

rokacook

Mrboca over at Mercedes-Benz forum knew immediately what the problem might be, his words:Regarding the scanners, the Foxwell with its specific 38 pin connector adapter should be fine for your testing purposes.

Have you tested the fuses on the K40 with voltages on BOTH sides when the key is in position 2 (especially fuse 3 which powers the ESM (shifter) and the TCM.). ?

Typically the brake pedal switch should not cause the engine not to crank, but it would cause the shifter not to shift when it has problems. The traction light being on before the failure seems to give some clues, as the traction module mat have lost the power. Without the proper signaling from the traction module to the other modules, the car will not start.

Do you have a fan in your module box ? Check the 2 pin connector next to the starter relay / 40 amp orange fuse corner. Is the connector empty or does it have a connector with two wires ?

So I did check the Black Computer bock again under hood Passenger side took out 4 screws from box inside are the K40 relay, the TCM, and ECM modules fuses relay etc. check for voltage at all fuses and found #3 was faulty picture attached with that fuse removed.

Also he explained the different fuses and what they do his words: The fan is powered by Fuse 4 which also powers the one of the supplies to the ECU. Fuse 3 powers the TCM and the shifter. No power = no shift + no start.

A Blown Fuse 4 can cause the same.

Why did Fuse 3 blow ? It could be your K40 relay module is on the way out (high contact resistance in K1 relay = modules drawing more current to sustain power requirements). You had traction fault came up because Fuse 3 also powers the steering angle sensor (if you have ESP), and/or lower voltage supply to the traction module.

MercedesLondon

I have problem with a 2011 Sprinter, with a no crank, no start. Absolutely nothing happens when the Ignition switch is the position 3 (start), No click, Nothing. Have checked everything out and nothing shows up on my Star diagnosis. Can get the engine to turn over by grounding out the respective terminal on the starter relay, so everything is OK up to there. Gear selector moves and shows positioning on the dash. I think something between the ignition switch and the next thing on, whatever it is, (it is obviously not direct to the starter solenoid). The thing I am trying to find out, (which you would think would be so simple to get answered, but even my local M-B dealer can't), is what terminal / wire color on the ignition switch should become live (or ground) when the ignition is in position three (Start). Something must go somewhere from the ignition switch when in the start position, but with the electronic nightmare, box of tricks, ignition switches are nowadays, nothing can be seen by taking it apart. Anyone any suggestions?

khomer2

Wrong forum.
This is the w210 forum.

MercedesLondon

I am told that the above message is on the wrong forum. If someone could advise how to place it on the Sprinter forum area I would be delighted to put it where it should be.

This is a great forum with a lot of valuable information supplied from interesting people. However it is a nightmare to negotiate and search through to find what you want. Needs to be urgently updated to be a suitable base for the magnificent car manufacturers who's vehicles.it supports.

scotterikson

https://mbworld.org/forums/mb-suvs-t...lassfieds-200/

Seems the most appropriate category here. Can't speak to the traffic/activity there. Alternatively, there appears to be quite a few forums out there dedicated specifically to the Sprinter (not taking a shot at this forum, we seem to be more car/SUV oriented here)

MercedesLondon

BECAUSE THE SEARCH BUTTON NEVER FINDS WHAT YOU WANT IT TO FIND.

MercedesLondon

Many thanks for the constructive message. Nice to receive helpful advice as against scorn from people with self-perceived computer omniscient that are no help to anyone.

khomer2

Try BW forum. More activity and a presence of active users / assistance.
Even getting a mod to assist or move a post/thread over to the correct forum here, is non-existent.

Additionally, try searching with google the terms "what you are looking for" + "site:mbworld.org" or "site:benzworld.org"
Your searches will be more fine tuned.
GLWY search.

MercedesLondon

What's BW Forum. ?

Nothing shows up on Google re that.

190Efan

To find the correct section for your vehicle in this forum, go back to to the main forum page and keep scrolling down that main forum page until you find the section for your specific vehicle. BW=Benz World which you can find at www.benzworld.org. Click on the forums link at the top of the home page. Scroll down the main forums page until you find the specific section for your vehicle.