CE750

I have a limited arsenal, what can I say?

konigstiger

Yeah but Sam’s correct – Patek Philippe for events, and (in my case) Baume & Mercier everyday. Now you guys can continue with your arguments.

Nevada Jack

Hate to be a "snob" but a Rolex in SS and Gold. A present from my wife (bless her soul) in 1989 for my Birthday. No complaints on the timekeeping ability...guess I got a good build date

rjm

Gee, I thought the forum was to discuss Mercedes automobles.....the good AND THE BAD...it's just guys like you who won't face up to the fact that there might be some serious problems with the quality of their sacred nameplate. For you, it is sacreligious to even suggest there may be something wrong with MB. Comparing them with other brands, whether it be Lexus, BMW, or Cadillac, simply points out that it IS possible to build a high-end car that has Reliability and Dependibility as a trait.

mick1

I wonder what Consumer Report had say about Rolex watches

CE750

I had a blue dial two tone Sub for a while, and my wife still wears her Mother's Day gift two tone that I got her 5 years ago... Rolex has a LOT of snob appeal, but they are low on the pole of "fine horologie" in terms of hand craftsmanship etc.. Again, I own one.. not nocking them, but just stating the fact that they're not a Patek or Audemars..

And more on the topic, explaining how something doesn't have to be 100% reliable to be good... Audemars sport watches don't hold a candle to Rolex for ruggedness, but a Solid Gold Rolex costs less than an all stainless steel Audemars, and a Gold Audemars with complicated movement can cost $450,000 or more...

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CE750

My analogy about watches can teach you a lot about the term "quality" and how different people apply it in different ways..

lig

c'mon guys - admit it. you'd miss rjb if he were gone. This would be one boring forum without a little controversy now and then.

On a serious note - one nice thing about a car forum is that it is a great place to do some "homework" for prospective owners. You can't get good info if all you get is "wow - we have got the greatest cars here in the world - the most reliable, the best hood ornament, the most prestiege blah blah blah..."

When I had my W211 - I certainly found it useful for short term fixes like pulling the fuse for resetting my frozen radio and the SBS TSBs and other issues.

Mine was an electrical POS - the rest of it was very nice for the most part. And if anyone wants pics of my W211 - I'll gladly post them. :p

AJU_E350

I own a 85 dollar Guess watch that seems to tell the time just fine. I also don't have to worry about abusing it since it only set me back 85 bucks.

I think I buy a new watch every 18 months or so... Fossil or Guess both about 80 bucks. :p

Nevada Jack

You just don't get it

I have indicated on many occasions the problems of some MB models and discussed in detail the Bad as well as the Good. You don't point out anything other than how poorly the car is built (all of them) and post some troll gathering survey with negative intros. You don't compare you tear down.

It is your presentation rjm...discuss all you want the weaknesses of the MB models and I will listen and comment when appropriate. However, I will not listen to you repeating your diatribe of the MB is crap and the Japanese is the ultimate. Just how long has it been that you have not been a MB owner...the 210 in a 211 forum is not talking apples and apples. Why as a non-owner do you continue to come back everytime a new survey comes out and post it with some snide troll looking remark?

Bye for now rjm...

CE750

I'm proof of that.. he's right rjm.

krispykrme

You care to bet on that?

My wife's CLK is still at Fletcher Jones in Fremont this morning getting the stupid top fix since monday. She has been driving my E55 these couple days after getting it back from body shop.

So, you guys can't win the argument, and this is what you can come up with?

You guys make me laugh. I posted my vin a long time ago in the E55 section, go look it up.

krispykrme

So you going to chicken out?

Who is not listening and has not counter proof.

You are saying that toyota parts are bad and cheap.

Okay Mr. Einstein. I already gave you the 3.5V6 on the cheap Avalon as an example. Based on your logic this engine is designed to the level of corolla hence low quality low performance piece of junk.

However, according to EPA this enigne is cleaner, more efficient, and actually way more powerful than the E350's new V6. So what does that make MB's new V6. A hyundai's quality of V6?

You simply refuse to listen and accept the idea that Toyota makes great product. Last time i check Toyota is doing not bad this year in F1 (2nd year). Toyota i believe was the 2nd team in F1 that does the entire car.

No one is asking you to convert to a toyota lover. Because its car are boring to drive. But at least wake up and crawl out of your hole and see what is going on with the industry.

Give credit where it is due. Toyota certainly have technology whether you like it or not. The simple fact that toyota as a group is doing extremely well and pose to become #1. Consumer are not stupid simple as that.

So don't chicken out and answer my question on the 3.5V6.

krispykrme

Toyota is the 1st company to modernized the hybrid, which your beloved DCX is now just getting to the market with it.

Toyota has taken the ESP further with VDIM, which is again missing on the german counterpart (although I don't like VDIM as it took way too much away from driver's control. But for majority of driver it is a good safety feature).

Toyota is much further ahead in direct gasoline injection. Even though it did not export the technology into US until this year on the IS. It has been building in Japan for last 10 years or so. We still have not talked about 5 valves per cylindar (which i believe toyota beat ferrari to market by couple month with its corolla in Japan).

Toyota is also much further ahead with HUD/wi-fi integration in the car. I belive it is also the 1st car company that has wireless mesh network capability in their car.

Just because Toyota does not export its latest technology does not mean it does not exist. Unlike european companies, toyota is very conservative with exporting technology to mass market. This is a culture difference between the companies. Japanese take their time to mature their technology and once ready they launch full assult. The european will try and fix along the way. In the process of doing that customer are paying either higher premium waiting for them to get it right (look at command and phone intergration).

BTW, toyota had a CD-rom base navigation system ready for use for the 97 camry (which i believe was ahead of DCX in US). But did not release it because of CD-rom base navigation is too slow and not enough data point. (you can go find a copy of motor trend in which they showed a pre-production camry with navigation back in 1996). Toyota choose to wait until 01 when DVD navigation is ready and make it available on nearly all of its product line within 3 years.

Different philosophy does not mean it has no technology available. Some company takes their time to do it right the 1st time, some prefer trial and error. But to blindly slam other without full understanding is obsurd and dumb.

CE750

anyone can read a VIN off a car and post it... I can post the title to my car.. that's proof!

guitarplayer

I think RJM's 211 looks stunning. His Avalon looks ok, a little dated, but nice.

CE750

Now you own a 210, and you called that a 211?

but we know what you meant...

Nevada Jack

Let them preach to their own choir CE...rjm and krispykrme are so wrapped up in their own little world of Toyota and Lexus that they forget this forum is about MB cars. One doesn't even own a MB and the other claims to have a stable of them but all they can talk about is Toyota. I am out of here on this thread.

AJU_E350

Agreed. Never new posting a vin number meant you owned a car.






I really wish this meant I had an SLR MClaren sitting in my garage!

krispykrme

do you think i can't?

i had someone on the E55 forum to look up my car's service record to prove that my stupid airmatic did break.

like i said, both you and nevada jack are simply ignorant fool that is living in world in which the earth is flat.

krispykrme

why bail? can't handle the truth.

This is mb forum, however, this is also a public forum. As long as your truthful there is nothing wrong.

unless you are like typical racist or **** where truthfulness is not allowed and kiss anything that germany made as god creation. In that case i can understand the german superiority complex is from.

i can state the truth the way i see it. So far neither of you has come back with anything concrete other than making a fool out of yourselves.

AJU_E350

I think a "proof of life" type photo would be sufficient. Maybe the cars lined up with you holding up a print screen of this thread. Hehehehhe

CE750

I am neither a racist, or ****, but I am a Germanofile.. I love most everything German, from the beer, and food, to the cars and other fine products.. "Made in Germany" means a lot to me.

That said, so does "Made in Japan" I have $1000's in Nikon optics, as well as a set of steak knives that shame my German cooking knives.. Japan is a great nation, with great stuff, but their car's are a step above the US, which isn't saying much..

krispykrme

I have no problem with personal preference. I don't like lexus because their direction is where i totally dislikes.

But give credit where it is due. I don't think Japanese car are a step behind german. Depends on which area you look into, Japanese are quiet ahead in some area (such as electronics, hybrid, direction injection....). They are behind german in driving pleasure (although more like behind BMW). But they do have advantages that DCX/BMW does not have.

Japanese are very good in small displacement. However, they are now beginning to agressively moving into larger displacement. No one know that Toyota already has a V12 in production. A high output N/A V10 is right around the corner.

Don't dismiss anything. Consumer always benefit from competition. Lexus are boring to drive, and a pain to own (since it never dies, i never had excuse to buy another car). But they do make good product in area they focus on.

It simply not my cup of tea, but i am not going to dismiss it as a glorified toyota.

rjm

Thanks...I thought it was a great looking car too. I just didn't get to look at it very often because it spent so much time in the shop.