Interesting reading for the keyless-go owners.
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Interesting reading for the keyless-go owners.
Somthing to keep in mind with the keyless-go system: http://www.forbesautos.com/news/feat...ess_theft.html. It's a pretty cool feature but it might cost you your ride.
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So you get a new car... how's that bad? I don't even install alarms in my lesser cars. Nowadays when a car theif takes your car its NOT a teen delinquent going for a joyride. Its going to the chop shop or to the docks and into a container ship... Bye bye for ever! If a car IS found, it is usually so damaged that it is totaled by the insurance company. (Witness how many times we've seen pix here and the insurance company totaled out an apparently salvageable car.)
I love my car dispite its many flaws... but if its taken, its gonna be gone for good... and then I'll place my order for a new one, which are kinda nice except fpr the tail lights.
I love my car dispite its many flaws... but if its taken, its gonna be gone for good... and then I'll place my order for a new one, which are kinda nice except fpr the tail lights.
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Originally Posted by Barry45RPM
. . . and then I'll place my order for a new one, which are kinda nice except for the tail lights.
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Seems most of the codes are cracked with a brute force approach where it floods the authentication system with all possible authentication codes. Seems like having the system validate maybe no more than 5 such requests a minute would address the brute force approach. Anyone knows the specifics of this and more importantly what is being done to address this?
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Another flaw in the Keyless Go-type systems...
I was at a gas station the other day, and some people were pushing a Prius away from the pumps. Apparently the driver dropped somebody off and they took her keys (and attached transmitter), and she then drove from San Diego to Los Angeles. Wasn't until she refueled 120 miles away that she realized she was a victim of technology.
I was at a gas station the other day, and some people were pushing a Prius away from the pumps. Apparently the driver dropped somebody off and they took her keys (and attached transmitter), and she then drove from San Diego to Los Angeles. Wasn't until she refueled 120 miles away that she realized she was a victim of technology.
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But its really a such a nice feature that the car unlocks at your fingertip touch of the door handle, and you drive off with just a touch of the shift lever! Too cool!
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Another flaw in the Keyless Go-type systems...
I was at a gas station the other day, and some people were pushing a Prius away from the pumps. Apparently the driver dropped somebody off and they took her keys (and attached transmitter), and she then drove from San Diego to Los Angeles. Wasn't until she refueled 120 miles away that she realized she was a victim of technology.
I was at a gas station the other day, and some people were pushing a Prius away from the pumps. Apparently the driver dropped somebody off and they took her keys (and attached transmitter), and she then drove from San Diego to Los Angeles. Wasn't until she refueled 120 miles away that she realized she was a victim of technology.
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Originally Posted by Talbot
Well, who do you think PAYS for that?
The odds of a Keyless Go car being stolen instead of a Key Start car being stolen are the same unless you're carrying out the percentage to the 3rd or 4th decimal point... As I said, not worth worrying about. If your car were not stolen would you pay any less for your 4 years of insurance? Your car's being stolen or totaled has already been figured into your insurance rates.
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I wasn't arguing against Keyless Go. I'm a big fan. You asked the question 'how's that bad', and I simply responded with a quesiton meant to illustrate one thing that IS bad about vehicle theft - we all pay for it.
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I don't see the hubbub... As we speak, I'm sure the software developers are encoding keyless go systems to block the car from starting if more than 10-20 random attempts are made to access the car in a 5-second period. (Just like when you can't remember a password at the bank... after three attempts it locks you out.)
Pick the parameters, as mine are just examples. The software can also be set to block the ignition for only 5 minutes (or whatever), then reset to allow the car to start by the owner.
I'm not a software designer, but this is a no-brainer for me.
Pick the parameters, as mine are just examples. The software can also be set to block the ignition for only 5 minutes (or whatever), then reset to allow the car to start by the owner.
I'm not a software designer, but this is a no-brainer for me.
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My local dealer hates Keyless Go. The reason? 5 times out of ten the owner leaves the dealership with the fob in his pocket. Meanwhile, the car is dead in the Service Entrance. There was a SL500 stuck there last week when I was in for service and the dealership had to dispatch someone to fetch the fob.
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Originally Posted by vinceC
My local dealer hates Keyless Go. The reason? 5 times out of ten the owner leaves the dealership with the fob in his pocket. Meanwhile, the car is dead in the Service Entrance. There was a SL500 stuck there last week when I was in for service and the dealership had to dispatch someone to fetch the fob.
Incompetence of the dealer shouldn't hinder the advancement of what to me should be an essential feature on a vehicle.
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Originally Posted by vinceC
My local dealer hates Keyless Go. The reason? 5 times out of ten the owner leaves the dealership with the fob in his pocket. Meanwhile, the car is dead in the Service Entrance. There was a SL500 stuck there last week when I was in for service and the dealership had to dispatch someone to fetch the fob.
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cyclerider - Of all the M-B dealers I have dealers I have worked with for forty years, these guys are near the top. They have an active "early bird" system and many of the cars get parked in the service aisle over night and, as you say, the dealer is so stupid that the owner forgets to leave the fob in the night envelope. Perhaps they should get "smart" and put someone at the night drop off box 24/7. Stupid? Give me a break. Anyway, I am passing along a statistic they gave me.
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Originally Posted by ricky.agrawal
. . . Incompetence of the dealer shouldn't hinder the advancement of what to me should be an essential feature on a vehicle.
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I don't think it is a mater of stupidity. I think it is a matter of carelessness, much like failing to use turn signals or plan ahead for lane changes. We all see this sort of carelessness several times in a day. I personally have trouble finding this feature essential. Is it really that hard to insert and turn a key? The random codes of the smart key are just as effective against theft. Maybe if you are in a rough neighborhood and don't want any delay getting away from the scene, I suppose. Just my opinion, of course.
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Interesting link about car thefts and "theft proof" key systems form wired magazine:
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/carkey.html
Check out the bottom of page two for some interesting M-B stuff.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/14.08/carkey.html
Check out the bottom of page two for some interesting M-B stuff.
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Originally Posted by vinceC
... I personally have trouble finding this feature essential. Is it really that hard to insert and turn a key?
Its just an extra luxury feature, that's all.
