2012 E550 - Warped rotars for the SECOND TIME
04-09-2013, 06:24 PM
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04-10-2013, 02:19 AM
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The symptom shows up on E350s as well. Not as much with 17" rims and increases as tire aspect ratio decreases with larger rims. If it were a design or parts defect it would be happening with everyone. I think the real question should be why does it recur with some people and not happen at all with others
You and your f###ing facts about the people driving the cars again. You keep drumming about the brake bedding and how to baby the barakes to keep them from misbehaving.
The real problem is very poor and defective brake components MB tries to shove thru the throats of their customers. Nobody drives the car wrongly to make brake rotors bad. It is ONLY because the car maker,the MB, did a very poor job with it.
04-10-2013, 08:52 AM
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I have the same problem!!
Thought I was nutts, then I saw this thread. I bought a CPO 2010 E550. Great car, BUT, I've got this very same issue! I brought it to the dealer twice, and they punted, wouldn't do a damn thing. Really pissed me off. Tried to get me to buy new rotors.
04-10-2013, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Joeyboom
Thought I was nutts, then I saw this thread. I bought a CPO 2010 E550. Great car, BUT, I've got this very same issue! I brought it to the dealer twice, and they punted, wouldn't do a damn thing. Really pissed me off. Tried to get me to buy new rotors.
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04-10-2013, 12:30 PM
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You and your f###ing facts about the people driving the cars again. You keep drumming about the brake bedding and how to baby the barakes to keep them from misbehaving.
The real problem is very poor and defective brake components MB tries to shove thru the throats of their customers. Nobody drives the car wrongly to make brake rotors bad. It is ONLY because the car maker,the MB, did a very poor job with it.
The real problem is very poor and defective brake components MB tries to shove thru the throats of their customers. Nobody drives the car wrongly to make brake rotors bad. It is ONLY because the car maker,the MB, did a very poor job with it.
04-10-2013, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by np888
I have a 2012 E550 coupe. I bought the car brand new in May 2012. The rotars warped at 8,000 miles. The car would shake and shudder every time I braked. They replaced the pads and rotars telling me that they had warped (although they had the nerve to mark down that I had been driving the car aggressively - if by aggressive they mean sitting in bumper to bumper traffic every day then yes.) Although they did keep the car for 2 weeks for good measure.
Anyway, the car now has 12,100 miles, and the problem has returned. Every time I brake the car shudders. I called my dealer and they told me they would be scrutinizing very closely as they have already done this once, and they're not going to want to replace them again. I almost lost my **** at this, I spend $70,000 on a car and these clowns are now threatening to not replace them. I also love how on the website they tout the brakes as being "high performance" and can "with stand repeated hard braking" LOL. right. My bicycle has better brakes than this piece of crap.
Anyway, what's my best course of action here? I absolutely REFUSE to pay $700 for another set of worthless brakes. I have the car booked in at another dealer, but the brakes are 100 miles out of warranty. I think it's ridiculous that a $70,000 car has brakes that are apparently only good for a few thousand miles. I will never buy another Mercedes again.
Anyway, the car now has 12,100 miles, and the problem has returned. Every time I brake the car shudders. I called my dealer and they told me they would be scrutinizing very closely as they have already done this once, and they're not going to want to replace them again. I almost lost my **** at this, I spend $70,000 on a car and these clowns are now threatening to not replace them. I also love how on the website they tout the brakes as being "high performance" and can "with stand repeated hard braking" LOL. right. My bicycle has better brakes than this piece of crap.
Anyway, what's my best course of action here? I absolutely REFUSE to pay $700 for another set of worthless brakes. I have the car booked in at another dealer, but the brakes are 100 miles out of warranty. I think it's ridiculous that a $70,000 car has brakes that are apparently only good for a few thousand miles. I will never buy another Mercedes again.
I agree with you on how ridiculous it sounds that I should be bedding my brakes. Make no mistake that if my 550 does what yours did, it will be for sale. However, I'm on my 3rd MB and I'm not sour. I am of the opinion that how much I pay for something is not necessarily proportional to the quality, design or cost ownership. To put it in another perspective that is found everyday on these forums are truly life threatening failures. Brakes failure, mysterious engine cut off, etc.. People afraid to drive the car. Honestly, that's one reason I got rid of my w211. SBC brake failure is not predictable nor certain. Enough failures for MB to warranty the system for 10 years but what you might hit or hit you if it happens is on you. I miss the feeling of those brakes. Good luck.
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04-10-2013, 01:34 PM
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I think anyone who is being asked to purchase MB rotors/pads again should just look into aftermarket if they feel the parts are inferior. These are heavy cars, and require large brakes and/or better cooling ability for the brakes.
04-11-2013, 05:32 AM
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04-12-2013, 03:14 PM
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I had to sign up after coming across this thread. My 2011 E550 has 25,000 miles on it and is starting to shutter as well. Made an appointment to go into the service dept. tomorrow and see what they say. Hopefully I don't get dicked around like it seems a lot of people have been on this thread.
04-12-2013, 06:40 PM
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I had to sign up after coming across this thread. My 2011 E550 has 25,000 miles on it and is starting to shutter as well. Made an appointment to go into the service dept. tomorrow and see what they say. Hopefully I don't get dicked around like it seems a lot of people have been on this thread.
04-12-2013, 07:51 PM
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I have the same problem with the rotors. On my second set with 25k miles. Tried finding aftermarket but no sells them for the 4matic.... Has anyone luck finding aftermarket and if yes can you post info. Thx in advance.
04-14-2013, 09:33 AM
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UPDATE: Brake rotors have warped again. Third time now in exactly 12 months. Car has 14,000 miles.
I started to question whether I drive more aggressively than I realize, then I realized that no, I have been babying this thing like a grandpa since these rotors were replaced for the second time - to the point that I dont even use the brake at a stop - I put it in second so it doesn't roll forward. I've never encountered something like this on any other car.
I am selling this piece of **** car and buying a BMW (who stand behind their brakes for 4 years).
If anyone wants a 2012 E550 Coupe with 14K miles and pretty much every package - black exterior, almond interior please PM me.
I started to question whether I drive more aggressively than I realize, then I realized that no, I have been babying this thing like a grandpa since these rotors were replaced for the second time - to the point that I dont even use the brake at a stop - I put it in second so it doesn't roll forward. I've never encountered something like this on any other car.
I am selling this piece of **** car and buying a BMW (who stand behind their brakes for 4 years).
If anyone wants a 2012 E550 Coupe with 14K miles and pretty much every package - black exterior, almond interior please PM me.
04-14-2013, 10:45 AM
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My new 2013 e550 has about 1000 miles now. I haven't even tuned it yet. I feel as if I have to push down on the brake pedal extra hard when stopping from an aggressive pull. I feel as if I will have a vibrating brake pedal from warped rotors way before they should be replaced. Either I'm right or this thread has me spooked. Lol
04-14-2013, 10:59 AM
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My new 2013 e550 has about 1000 miles now. I haven't even tuned it yet. I feel as if I have to push down on the brake pedal extra hard when stopping from an aggressive pull. I feel as if I will have a vibrating brake pedal from warped rotors way before they should be replaced. Either I'm right or this thread has me spooked. Lol
Anyone who buys this car should factor in the cost a full set of brembo BBKs.
04-14-2013, 07:03 PM
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Yea, sounds like you've had enough. Too bad. Appears like those that have had this problem recur are giving up. But just for the record....no where does anyone suggest babying the brakes. In fact, the "procedure" (either loved or hated) says to abuse the brakes when new to lay down an even transfer then let them cool without pressure on the pad. From then on treat them like normal.
04-14-2013, 08:28 PM
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UPDATE: Brake rotors have warped again. Third time now in exactly 12 months. Car has 14,000 miles.
I started to question whether I drive more aggressively than I realize, then I realized that no, I have been babying this thing like a grandpa since these rotors were replaced for the second time - to the point that I dont even use the brake at a stop - I put it in second so it doesn't roll forward. I've never encountered something like this on any other car.
I am selling this piece of **** car and buying a BMW (who stand behind their brakes for 4 years).
If anyone wants a 2012 E550 Coupe with 14K miles and pretty much every package - black exterior, almond interior please PM me.
I started to question whether I drive more aggressively than I realize, then I realized that no, I have been babying this thing like a grandpa since these rotors were replaced for the second time - to the point that I dont even use the brake at a stop - I put it in second so it doesn't roll forward. I've never encountered something like this on any other car.
I am selling this piece of **** car and buying a BMW (who stand behind their brakes for 4 years).
If anyone wants a 2012 E550 Coupe with 14K miles and pretty much every package - black exterior, almond interior please PM me.
But at 14000 miles it is under warranty still. Go after them. Tell your dealer to use the new part number rotors. Someone wrote that there now is a new part number probably because MB finally admitted to themselves there is a problem and the new brake rotor probably comes from a new supplier or is of different design.
Another way to think about it is that if you keep the car long enough you will have to replace the brakes on your own dime and that your time is now. Go with after market rotors and pads and be free of problems.
You could also challenge your MB service manager to a deal where you get the after market job done and if that fixes the issue then your dealer pay for it.
I totally understand your pain and opinion and cannot in any way say you do a wrong move getting rid of your Benz, it's just so stupid by MB to throw away customers for reasons like this while otherwise the car is so fine.
Just remember that this warped rotors issue does happen on some Bimmers too. They might do better job by warranting them though but for 4 years, really? I would think they have a mileage limit too at around 15000 miles or so.
04-15-2013, 09:53 AM
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But at 14000 miles it is under warranty still. Go after them. Tell your dealer to use the new part number rotors. Someone wrote that there now is a new part number probably because MB finally admitted to themselves there is a problem and the new brake rotor probably comes from a new supplier or is of different design.
Another way to think about it is that if you keep the car long enough you will have to replace the brakes on your own dime and that your time is now. Go with after market rotors and pads and be free of problems.
You could also challenge your MB service manager to a deal where you get the after market job done and if that fixes the issue then your dealer pay for it.
I totally understand your pain and opinion and cannot in any way say you do a wrong move getting rid of your Benz, it's just so stupid by MB to throw away customers for reasons like this while otherwise the car is so fine.
Just remember that this warped rotors issue does happen on some Bimmers too. They might do better job by warranting them though but for 4 years, really? I would think they have a mileage limit too at around 15000 miles or so.
Another way to think about it is that if you keep the car long enough you will have to replace the brakes on your own dime and that your time is now. Go with after market rotors and pads and be free of problems.
You could also challenge your MB service manager to a deal where you get the after market job done and if that fixes the issue then your dealer pay for it.
I totally understand your pain and opinion and cannot in any way say you do a wrong move getting rid of your Benz, it's just so stupid by MB to throw away customers for reasons like this while otherwise the car is so fine.
Just remember that this warped rotors issue does happen on some Bimmers too. They might do better job by warranting them though but for 4 years, really? I would think they have a mileage limit too at around 15000 miles or so.
I think the lack of initial bite on the pads, causes folks to lean on them more, in order to stop the heavy vehicle. Inadequate cooling, combines with mediocre materials is my best guess as to the deposit of material on the rotors, or, if they are in fact warping, immense heat. Whatever combination MB decided to use, they were NOT tested adequately.
04-15-2013, 10:36 AM
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More likely MB just changed suppliers and the part numbers were required to change.
I think the lack of initial bite on the pads, causes folks to lean on them more, in order to stop the heavy vehicle. Inadequate cooling, combines with mediocre materials is my best guess as to the deposit of material on the rotors, or, if they are in fact warping, immense heat. Whatever combination MB decided to use, they were NOT tested adequately.
I think the lack of initial bite on the pads, causes folks to lean on them more, in order to stop the heavy vehicle. Inadequate cooling, combines with mediocre materials is my best guess as to the deposit of material on the rotors, or, if they are in fact warping, immense heat. Whatever combination MB decided to use, they were NOT tested adequately.
I think it is 100% rotor issue. Pads, what ever material, will be touching the rotor just the same all around it. If the rotor gets warped or uneven wear it is an issue with poorly made rotor.
04-15-2013, 12:25 PM
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Another possibility is that the new pads (less dust on the Merc) take longer to bed (not speed bedding, but natural bedding).
04-15-2013, 08:01 PM
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Well... the front rotors and pads are toast and now I'm walking funny, so I definitely got dicked. 
25k in a "premium" brand car and that's what I end up with for brakes. Coming from a 5500lb 05 Silverado that went damn near 60k before I needed pads only, that's pretty sad.
25k in a "premium" brand car and that's what I end up with for brakes. Coming from a 5500lb 05 Silverado that went damn near 60k before I needed pads only, that's pretty sad.
04-15-2013, 10:36 PM
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Well... the front rotors and pads are toast and now I'm walking funny, so I definitely got dicked.
25k in a "premium" brand car and that's what I end up with for brakes. Coming from a 5500lb 05 Silverado that went damn near 60k before I needed pads only, that's pretty sad.
25k in a "premium" brand car and that's what I end up with for brakes. Coming from a 5500lb 05 Silverado that went damn near 60k before I needed pads only, that's pretty sad.
04-15-2013, 10:38 PM
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Enough is enough
Yea, sounds like you've had enough. Too bad. Appears like those that have had this problem recur are giving up. But just for the record....no where does anyone suggest babying the brakes. In fact, the "procedure" (either loved or hated) says to abuse the brakes when new to lay down an even transfer then let them cool without pressure on the pad. From then on treat them like normal.
04-16-2013, 01:39 PM
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Well... the front rotors and pads are toast and now I'm walking funny, so I definitely got dicked.
25k in a "premium" brand car and that's what I end up with for brakes. Coming from a 5500lb 05 Silverado that went damn near 60k before I needed pads only, that's pretty sad.
25k in a "premium" brand car and that's what I end up with for brakes. Coming from a 5500lb 05 Silverado that went damn near 60k before I needed pads only, that's pretty sad.
04-16-2013, 08:39 PM
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NP888... for what it's worth, I feel your pain brother. But my Brake nightmare was with a Lexus GS300 (so it's not only MB)... I bought a CPO Lexus and driving home from dealer had brake shutter. I took it in and they told me all 4 rotors were warped (So much for CPO cars getting thorough inspection)... in about 8 months they were doing it again, so I replaced the rotors with aftermarket ones assuming Lexus ones were crap to begin with...those did the same thing.. so I had the rotors turned... and it did it AGAIN in a few more months. Finally took to a toyota dealer...and they found that I had a defective caliper on one of the rear wheels...and fixed it under warranty. Smooth ever since. Evidently Lexus telling me all my rotors were warped was BS... it was just one rear but it made the whole car shake...especially under strong breaking. Perhaps have them look at more than the rotors to make sure theirs not some defective equipment. If there are tons of threads about the same issue...then perhaps its something more systemic... but its worth a shot.
