2011 E350 Bluetec vs non-Bluetec Transmission Question Are they the same?
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2011 E350 Bluetec vs non-Bluetec Transmission Question Are they the same?
Hello.
My family has traditionally been a Ford family in the 1970s, then Toyota through the 1980s and from the mid 1990s we've transitioned to Mercedes Benz. 1997 ML350, 2003 C240, 2008 C300, 2011 E350 and the 2014 ML350...
I've serviced all of them, plus a few S class, SLK and other non-Mercedes Benz automobiles. I was a service mechanic by trade until 1995. I know the value of good information and having the right tools on hand. The only diesel I've serviced is the 2011 E350 Bluetec, so I do not know too much about them (other than they don't have spark plugs, different compression, requires DEF fluid during start for emissions, ...oh and uses diesel opposed to gas).
My mother's 2011 E350 Bluetec is hitting 30,000 miles. She is elderly and probably drives it once a week. It's never had a transmission fluid service, which from what I can tell is almost a year past due (40,000 miles or 4 years).
I want to perform this service along with others that I am going to perform on it (engine oil service, brake fluid service, coolant service, air filters, fuel filter and so on).
Everything I've read seems to point to the 722.9 or 722.905.
Thank you.
My family has traditionally been a Ford family in the 1970s, then Toyota through the 1980s and from the mid 1990s we've transitioned to Mercedes Benz. 1997 ML350, 2003 C240, 2008 C300, 2011 E350 and the 2014 ML350...
I've serviced all of them, plus a few S class, SLK and other non-Mercedes Benz automobiles. I was a service mechanic by trade until 1995. I know the value of good information and having the right tools on hand. The only diesel I've serviced is the 2011 E350 Bluetec, so I do not know too much about them (other than they don't have spark plugs, different compression, requires DEF fluid during start for emissions, ...oh and uses diesel opposed to gas).
My mother's 2011 E350 Bluetec is hitting 30,000 miles. She is elderly and probably drives it once a week. It's never had a transmission fluid service, which from what I can tell is almost a year past due (40,000 miles or 4 years).
I want to perform this service along with others that I am going to perform on it (engine oil service, brake fluid service, coolant service, air filters, fuel filter and so on).
Everything I've read seems to point to the 722.9 or 722.905.
Thank you.
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Given the huge added torque put out by the diesel I'd wager that they're certainly not identical.They may be of the same basic design but the diesel's transmission would almost certainly have to have certain key parts that are "stronger".It's also possible that the diesel's tranny requires different fluid,more fluid and/or different service routines.
Just a hunch on my part.
Just a hunch on my part.
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Torque converter.
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Thank you for quick response I had seen in YouTube some procedures how to change tranny oil and filter I think I can follow all the procedures. I am thinking doing also on the torque converter but no idea how to drain and refill the converter can you give me help how to.
Thanks in advance.
Thank you for quick response I had seen in YouTube some procedures how to change tranny oil and filter I think I can follow all the procedures. I am thinking doing also on the torque converter but no idea how to drain and refill the converter can you give me help how to.
Thanks in advance.
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I have not performed the fluid service in a couple years, so I am a bit rusty on the procedure. It involves rotating the crank shaft via the bolt on the flywheel until you see the drain plug on the torque converter, then removing the drain plug. Filling involves filling the transmission fluid through the bottom drain bolt on the transmission pan, then turning the car on and shifting through the gears. Then filling it up some more. Then turning it on and shift through the gears some more. Do this until you put the same amount of fluid as you took out. Then, you check the level by getting the transmission temps up to a certain amount and seeing if any fluid comes out of the drain plug.
In order for all this to work, you need to replace the pan gasket, pan bolts, plastic fill snorkel on the pan, fluid filter and a few other things (if you want).
I found the directions on this forum. I do not remember where though. The process is the same as a 2008 C300, 2003 C240 and so on.
In order for all this to work, you need to replace the pan gasket, pan bolts, plastic fill snorkel on the pan, fluid filter and a few other things (if you want).
I found the directions on this forum. I do not remember where though. The process is the same as a 2008 C300, 2003 C240 and so on.
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Hello.
My family has traditionally been a Ford family in the 1970s, then Toyota through the 1980s and from the mid 1990s we've transitioned to Mercedes Benz. 1997 ML350, 2003 C240, 2008 C300, 2011 E350 and the 2014 ML350...
I've serviced all of them, plus a few S class, SLK and other non-Mercedes Benz automobiles. I was a service mechanic by trade until 1995. I know the value of good information and having the right tools on hand. The only diesel I've serviced is the 2011 E350 Bluetec, so I do not know too much about them (other than they don't have spark plugs, different compression, requires DEF fluid during start for emissions, ...oh and uses diesel opposed to gas).
My mother's 2011 E350 Bluetec is hitting 30,000 miles. She is elderly and probably drives it once a week. It's never had a transmission fluid service, which from what I can tell is almost a year past due (40,000 miles or 4 years).
I want to perform this service along with others that I am going to perform on it (engine oil service, brake fluid service, coolant service, air filters, fuel filter and so on).
Everything I've read seems to point to the 722.9 or 722.905.
Thank you.
My family has traditionally been a Ford family in the 1970s, then Toyota through the 1980s and from the mid 1990s we've transitioned to Mercedes Benz. 1997 ML350, 2003 C240, 2008 C300, 2011 E350 and the 2014 ML350...
I've serviced all of them, plus a few S class, SLK and other non-Mercedes Benz automobiles. I was a service mechanic by trade until 1995. I know the value of good information and having the right tools on hand. The only diesel I've serviced is the 2011 E350 Bluetec, so I do not know too much about them (other than they don't have spark plugs, different compression, requires DEF fluid during start for emissions, ...oh and uses diesel opposed to gas).
My mother's 2011 E350 Bluetec is hitting 30,000 miles. She is elderly and probably drives it once a week. It's never had a transmission fluid service, which from what I can tell is almost a year past due (40,000 miles or 4 years).
I want to perform this service along with others that I am going to perform on it (engine oil service, brake fluid service, coolant service, air filters, fuel filter and so on).
Everything I've read seems to point to the 722.9 or 722.905.
Thank you.
Thanks again
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1922 Ford Model T / no OBD
Beware that 7G transmissions changed between the years.
I serviced 2008 and 2014 models at the same time. Ordered filters and gaskets from Husker and they were different parts number.
Out of curiosity I compared the old filters. They seem to have the same shape, but newer transmission has finer screens.
That confirms change of designs as 2008 transmission had recommendation for only service at 40k miles and then lifetime, when in 2014 MB changed recommendation to every 70k.
The ATF changing procedure looks complicated only 1st time.
I had oil pump already, so cheapen out and made adapter to fit the plug. Small pump gave me some exercise, but that is fine.
Right now whole variety of scanners will show ATF temperature, so that is easier too. My garage stays at about 90F, so it took only couple of minutes to get ATF to recommended temperature, I remember it 70C ??
Bare in mind those engines don't like to be turned in reverse when you seek converter plug.
I serviced 2008 and 2014 models at the same time. Ordered filters and gaskets from Husker and they were different parts number.
Out of curiosity I compared the old filters. They seem to have the same shape, but newer transmission has finer screens.
That confirms change of designs as 2008 transmission had recommendation for only service at 40k miles and then lifetime, when in 2014 MB changed recommendation to every 70k.
The ATF changing procedure looks complicated only 1st time.
I had oil pump already, so cheapen out and made adapter to fit the plug. Small pump gave me some exercise, but that is fine.
Right now whole variety of scanners will show ATF temperature, so that is easier too. My garage stays at about 90F, so it took only couple of minutes to get ATF to recommended temperature, I remember it 70C ??
Bare in mind those engines don't like to be turned in reverse when you seek converter plug.
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I agree. If you have multiple cars, mark the parts for the correct year. Even mid model year, I heard that the transmission changed. So, I kept a list of the parts for her car.
2011 Mercedes Benz E350 Bluetec
VIN WDDHF2EB7BA49XXXX
Chassis: w212.024
Engine: 642.850
Transmission: 722.9 NAG2+
Running Total: $627.49
PelicanParts.com
Order 1446323136-431 ($302.50 + Shipping $15.75 Total $318.25)
http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/...1446323136-431
Amazon.com
Order 002-7619865-9183429, 002-3584037-0065001, 002-5543053-6748209 ($290.43 + Tax $8.02 + Shipping $10.79 Total $309.24)
Service
Other Information
Fuel Filter
Due Every other Oil Change or once every two years on Bluetec (engine 642)
Transmission (9 liter capacity)
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w221...7g-tronic.html
Due at 40,000 miles or every four years
(Still looking for more information)
http://workshop-manuals.com/mercedes...rbo_(642.850)/
E 350 BLUETEC (212.024) V6-3.0L DSL Turbo (642.850) (2011)
BB00.40-P-0236-15A Automatic Transmission Fluids (ATF, Sheet 236.15)
7-speed automatic transmission 722.9
After transmission production date June 21, 2010
MB Automatic transmission fluid .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....... A001 989 78 03 09
Shell .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. . Spirax S6 ATF ME
MB 236.15 .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................................. A 001 989 78 03
Note: The 2 different variants of 722.9 transmission oil are not compatible with another and can not be mixed. The newer oil can be identified by its blue
color as opposed to the older oil which is red in color
Rear Axle Differential
Replace rear axle differential fluid
(Still looking for more information)
Service manual does not specify for E350 Blutec until after 150,000 miles
Coolant Service (capacity 12.2 qts (3+ gallons))
Due at 15 years or 150,000 miles
(Still looking for more information)
http://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/20.../flush_coolant
Replacement through the "drain ****"
Coolant / Antifreeze
Approval: 325.0, Concentrate. For distilled water, see part # 55 7864 010, This brand comes in 1-gallon containers.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...WATRAD_pg1.htm
Citric Acid Cooling System Cleaner
https://www.ecstuning.com/Mercedes_B...ush/ES1609953/
Used to clean contaminates out of the cooling system in your Mercedes-Benz $13.32
Mfg Part # 000989102511
ECS Part # ES#1609953
AdBlue Tank (6.5 gallons)
2011 Mercedes Benz E350 Bluetec
VIN WDDHF2EB7BA49XXXX
Chassis: w212.024
Engine: 642.850
Transmission: 722.9 NAG2+
Running Total: $627.49
PelicanParts.com
Order 1446323136-431 ($302.50 + Shipping $15.75 Total $318.25)
http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/...1446323136-431
- 001-989-78-03-09-MBZ Automatic Transmission Fluid - (ATF 134 FE) - (MBZ Approval:236.15) Brand: Genuine Mercedes-Benz, 2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Sedan QTY 9 @ $18.75 Total $168.75
- 001-990-11-17-MBZ Torque Converter Drain Plug Brand: Genuine Mercedes-Benz (Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedan/Wagon (2010-2014) W212) QTY 1 @ $4.50 Total $4.50
- 004-990-35-12-M30 Transmission Pan Bolt - (6 x 40 mm) Brand: Elring Klinger (2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Bluetec Sedan) QTY 6 @ $1.50 Total $9.00
- 007603-012102-M131 Transmission Drain Plug Seal (12 X 16 X 1.5 mm), Brand: Fischer & Plath - Brand: Fischer & Plath QTY 4 @ $0.25 Total $1.00
- 220-271-03-80-M58 Transmission Pan Gasket Brand: O.E.M. QTY 1 @ $13.50 Total $13.50
- 221-277-01-95-M30 Transmission Filter Brand: Elring Klinger QTY 1 @ $13.25 Total $13.25
- 222-271-00-97-M22 Automatic Transmission Fluid Guide Tube - (Channels Fluid to Transmission) Brand: Genuine Mercedes (Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedan/Wagon (2010-2014) W212) QTY 2 @ $2.75 Total $5.50
- 55-9521-326-M623 Engine Oil - Pento High Performance II - 5W-40 Synthetic (5 Liter) Brand: Pentohigh Note: Meets Specifications: M/B 229.51 (2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Bluetec Sedan) QTY 2 @ $43.50 Total $87.00
Amazon.com
Order 002-7619865-9183429, 002-3584037-0065001, 002-5543053-6748209 ($290.43 + Tax $8.02 + Shipping $10.79 Total $309.24)
- Wix 42468 Air Filter, Pack of 1 $37.37
- ATE 706202 Original TYP 200 DOT 4 Brake Fluid - 1 Liter (Bought 2) $17.00
- MAHLE Original KL 490D Fuel Filter $49.82
- MAHLE Original OX 380D Oil Filter $6.84
- ACDelco CF3280 Professional Cabin Air Filter $13.64
- ASSENMACHER ATF1002BASIC Basic Drive Line Filler $130.51
- PIG® Form-A-Funnel® Flexible Draining Tool - 6.5" x 14.5" $11.99
Service
- Check condition of poly-V-belt
- Fuel Filter Replace every two years
- Transmission Service every four years
- Engine Oil Service every year
- Brake Fluid Service every two years
- AdBlue Tank top off every year
- Air Filter every two years
- Cabin filter every two years
- Inspect CV Joints
Other Information
Fuel Filter
Due Every other Oil Change or once every two years on Bluetec (engine 642)
Transmission (9 liter capacity)
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w221...7g-tronic.html
Due at 40,000 miles or every four years
(Still looking for more information)
http://workshop-manuals.com/mercedes...rbo_(642.850)/
E 350 BLUETEC (212.024) V6-3.0L DSL Turbo (642.850) (2011)
BB00.40-P-0236-15A Automatic Transmission Fluids (ATF, Sheet 236.15)
7-speed automatic transmission 722.9
After transmission production date June 21, 2010
MB Automatic transmission fluid .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....... A001 989 78 03 09
Shell .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. . Spirax S6 ATF ME
MB 236.15 .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................................. A 001 989 78 03
Note: The 2 different variants of 722.9 transmission oil are not compatible with another and can not be mixed. The newer oil can be identified by its blue
color as opposed to the older oil which is red in color
Rear Axle Differential
Replace rear axle differential fluid
(Still looking for more information)
Service manual does not specify for E350 Blutec until after 150,000 miles
Coolant Service (capacity 12.2 qts (3+ gallons))
Due at 15 years or 150,000 miles
(Still looking for more information)
http://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/20.../flush_coolant
Replacement through the "drain ****"
Coolant / Antifreeze
Approval: 325.0, Concentrate. For distilled water, see part # 55 7864 010, This brand comes in 1-gallon containers.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...WATRAD_pg1.htm
Citric Acid Cooling System Cleaner
https://www.ecstuning.com/Mercedes_B...ush/ES1609953/
Used to clean contaminates out of the cooling system in your Mercedes-Benz $13.32
Mfg Part # 000989102511
ECS Part # ES#1609953
AdBlue Tank (6.5 gallons)
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I agree. If you have multiple cars, mark the parts for the correct year. Even mid model year, I heard that the transmission changed. So, I kept a list of the parts for her car.
2011 Mercedes Benz E350 Bluetec
VIN WDDHF2EB7BA49XXXX
Chassis: w212.024
Engine: 642.850
Transmission: 722.9 NAG2+
Running Total: $627.49
PelicanParts.com
Order 1446323136-431 ($302.50 + Shipping $15.75 Total $318.25)
http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/...1446323136-431
Amazon.com
Order 002-7619865-9183429, 002-3584037-0065001, 002-5543053-6748209 ($290.43 + Tax $8.02 + Shipping $10.79 Total $309.24)
Service
Other Information
Fuel Filter
Due Every other Oil Change or once every two years on Bluetec (engine 642)
Transmission (9 liter capacity)
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w221...7g-tronic.html
Due at 40,000 miles or every four years
(Still looking for more information)
http://workshop-manuals.com/mercedes...rbo_(642.850)/
E 350 BLUETEC (212.024) V6-3.0L DSL Turbo (642.850) (2011)
BB00.40-P-0236-15A Automatic Transmission Fluids (ATF, Sheet 236.15)
7-speed automatic transmission 722.9
After transmission production date June 21, 2010
MB Automatic transmission fluid .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....... A001 989 78 03 09
Shell .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. . Spirax S6 ATF ME
MB 236.15 .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................................. A 001 989 78 03
Note: The 2 different variants of 722.9 transmission oil are not compatible with another and can not be mixed. The newer oil can be identified by its blue
color as opposed to the older oil which is red in color
Rear Axle Differential
Replace rear axle differential fluid
(Still looking for more information)
Service manual does not specify for E350 Blutec until after 150,000 miles
Coolant Service (capacity 12.2 qts (3+ gallons))
Due at 15 years or 150,000 miles
(Still looking for more information)
http://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/20.../flush_coolant
Replacement through the "drain ****"
Coolant / Antifreeze
Approval: 325.0, Concentrate. For distilled water, see part # 55 7864 010, This brand comes in 1-gallon containers.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...WATRAD_pg1.htm
Citric Acid Cooling System Cleaner
https://www.ecstuning.com/Mercedes_B...ush/ES1609953/
Used to clean contaminates out of the cooling system in your Mercedes-Benz $13.32
Mfg Part # 000989102511
ECS Part # ES#1609953
AdBlue Tank (6.5 gallons)
2011 Mercedes Benz E350 Bluetec
VIN WDDHF2EB7BA49XXXX
Chassis: w212.024
Engine: 642.850
Transmission: 722.9 NAG2+
Running Total: $627.49
PelicanParts.com
Order 1446323136-431 ($302.50 + Shipping $15.75 Total $318.25)
http://www.pelicanparts.com/cgi-bin/...1446323136-431
- 001-989-78-03-09-MBZ Automatic Transmission Fluid - (ATF 134 FE) - (MBZ Approval:236.15) Brand: Genuine Mercedes-Benz, 2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Sedan QTY 9 @ $18.75 Total $168.75
- 001-990-11-17-MBZ Torque Converter Drain Plug Brand: Genuine Mercedes-Benz (Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedan/Wagon (2010-2014) W212) QTY 1 @ $4.50 Total $4.50
- 004-990-35-12-M30 Transmission Pan Bolt - (6 x 40 mm) Brand: Elring Klinger (2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Bluetec Sedan) QTY 6 @ $1.50 Total $9.00
- 007603-012102-M131 Transmission Drain Plug Seal (12 X 16 X 1.5 mm), Brand: Fischer & Plath - Brand: Fischer & Plath QTY 4 @ $0.25 Total $1.00
- 220-271-03-80-M58 Transmission Pan Gasket Brand: O.E.M. QTY 1 @ $13.50 Total $13.50
- 221-277-01-95-M30 Transmission Filter Brand: Elring Klinger QTY 1 @ $13.25 Total $13.25
- 222-271-00-97-M22 Automatic Transmission Fluid Guide Tube - (Channels Fluid to Transmission) Brand: Genuine Mercedes (Mercedes-Benz E-Class Sedan/Wagon (2010-2014) W212) QTY 2 @ $2.75 Total $5.50
- 55-9521-326-M623 Engine Oil - Pento High Performance II - 5W-40 Synthetic (5 Liter) Brand: Pentohigh Note: Meets Specifications: M/B 229.51 (2011 Mercedes-Benz E350 Bluetec Sedan) QTY 2 @ $43.50 Total $87.00
Amazon.com
Order 002-7619865-9183429, 002-3584037-0065001, 002-5543053-6748209 ($290.43 + Tax $8.02 + Shipping $10.79 Total $309.24)
- Wix 42468 Air Filter, Pack of 1 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001FKFDYW $37.37
- ATE 706202 Original TYP 200 DOT 4 Brake Fluid - 1 Liter (Bought 2) http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003VXRPL0 $17.00
- MAHLE Original KL 490D Fuel Filter http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0068MZHWU $49.82
- MAHLE Original OX 380D Oil Filter http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004JBUECK $6.84
- ACDelco CF3280 Professional Cabin Air Filter http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B012TYWNYA $13.64
- ASSENMACHER ATF1002BASIC Basic Drive Line Filler http://www.amazon.com/ASSENMACHER-AT...dp/B007QV2X2O/ $130.51
- PIG® Form-A-Funnel® Flexible Draining Tool - 6.5" x 14.5" http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003V9JWHO $11.99
Service
- Check condition of poly-V-belt
- Fuel Filter Replace every two years
- Transmission Service every four years
- Engine Oil Service every year
- Brake Fluid Service every two years
- AdBlue Tank top off every year
- Air Filter every two years
- Cabin filter every two years
- Inspect CV Joints
Other Information
Fuel Filter
Due Every other Oil Change or once every two years on Bluetec (engine 642)
Transmission (9 liter capacity)
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w221...7g-tronic.html
Due at 40,000 miles or every four years
(Still looking for more information)
http://workshop-manuals.com/mercedes...rbo_(642.850)/
E 350 BLUETEC (212.024) V6-3.0L DSL Turbo (642.850) (2011)
BB00.40-P-0236-15A Automatic Transmission Fluids (ATF, Sheet 236.15)
7-speed automatic transmission 722.9
After transmission production date June 21, 2010
MB Automatic transmission fluid .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....... A001 989 78 03 09
Shell .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. . Spirax S6 ATF ME
MB 236.15 .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ............................................. A 001 989 78 03
Note: The 2 different variants of 722.9 transmission oil are not compatible with another and can not be mixed. The newer oil can be identified by its blue
color as opposed to the older oil which is red in color
Rear Axle Differential
Replace rear axle differential fluid
(Still looking for more information)
Service manual does not specify for E350 Blutec until after 150,000 miles
Coolant Service (capacity 12.2 qts (3+ gallons))
Due at 15 years or 150,000 miles
(Still looking for more information)
http://www.carcarekiosk.com/video/20.../flush_coolant
Replacement through the "drain ****"
Coolant / Antifreeze
Approval: 325.0, Concentrate. For distilled water, see part # 55 7864 010, This brand comes in 1-gallon containers.
http://www.pelicanparts.com/catalog/...WATRAD_pg1.htm
Citric Acid Cooling System Cleaner
https://www.ecstuning.com/Mercedes_B...ush/ES1609953/
Used to clean contaminates out of the cooling system in your Mercedes-Benz $13.32
Mfg Part # 000989102511
ECS Part # ES#1609953
AdBlue Tank (6.5 gallons)