14 E550 Stage 2 Tuned....couple issues to sort out
#1
Newbie
Thread Starter
14 E550 Stage 2 Tuned....couple issues to sort out
Good morning,
Several weeks ago I bought a local trade in, 1 owner 45k mile E550 4matic Sedan here in VA. When I got it I had my shop (buddy owns a Euro shop in town) do new OEM plugs and OEM coil boots just preventatively as well as an inspection and everything passed w/ flying colors. Fast forward a couple weeks later, I spoke to Eurocharged and bought their Stage 2 tune, (awesome customer service so far from them btw). I talked to them and advised I was planning on deleting all 3 resonators and doing the blackboost intakes but not planning on doing the true downpipe as it requires subframe drop or engine out to access and remove the back part of the OEM piece. I was told that was fine and wouldn't be a problem, from the sounds of it, several have done as well.
Once installed everything felt good, albeit a little more sluggish than I expected which I attributed to heat (80-92 every day), couple days later I got a CEL even though car was driving smoothly. Code is P1CE7 (Crankcase Ventilation something). I'm just guessing here but figuring its intake related, unfortunately both were installed within 4-5 hours of each other so hard to pinpoint cause/effect. Reached out to Blackboost and they've always been responsive, tried clearing code twice, changing universal connector to intake sensor 180 degrees, etc.
So yeah a couple things going on, waiting for further support but wanted to get everyone's opinion on what the CEL could possibly be but more interested in the sluggishness. My prior car was a 20 BMW X3M non comp, 473 hp 4600 lb SUV and it felt considerably quicker than the E550 Tuned (560/715 crank). Brainstorming I've thought of the following, let me know if any further advice, thanks!
1. Heat here 80-92 when testing
2. OEM Cats are too restrictive?
3. I need Weistec or a very expensive true downpipe (hope not)
4. Need an X Pipe installed for exhaust flow vs. straight pipes
Several weeks ago I bought a local trade in, 1 owner 45k mile E550 4matic Sedan here in VA. When I got it I had my shop (buddy owns a Euro shop in town) do new OEM plugs and OEM coil boots just preventatively as well as an inspection and everything passed w/ flying colors. Fast forward a couple weeks later, I spoke to Eurocharged and bought their Stage 2 tune, (awesome customer service so far from them btw). I talked to them and advised I was planning on deleting all 3 resonators and doing the blackboost intakes but not planning on doing the true downpipe as it requires subframe drop or engine out to access and remove the back part of the OEM piece. I was told that was fine and wouldn't be a problem, from the sounds of it, several have done as well.
Once installed everything felt good, albeit a little more sluggish than I expected which I attributed to heat (80-92 every day), couple days later I got a CEL even though car was driving smoothly. Code is P1CE7 (Crankcase Ventilation something). I'm just guessing here but figuring its intake related, unfortunately both were installed within 4-5 hours of each other so hard to pinpoint cause/effect. Reached out to Blackboost and they've always been responsive, tried clearing code twice, changing universal connector to intake sensor 180 degrees, etc.
So yeah a couple things going on, waiting for further support but wanted to get everyone's opinion on what the CEL could possibly be but more interested in the sluggishness. My prior car was a 20 BMW X3M non comp, 473 hp 4600 lb SUV and it felt considerably quicker than the E550 Tuned (560/715 crank). Brainstorming I've thought of the following, let me know if any further advice, thanks!
1. Heat here 80-92 when testing
2. OEM Cats are too restrictive?
3. I need Weistec or a very expensive true downpipe (hope not)
4. Need an X Pipe installed for exhaust flow vs. straight pipes
The following 2 users liked this post by procrastiNATE:
AllPhonesAretap (09-30-2022),
biker349 (09-30-2022)
#2
MBWorld Fanatic!
There a few tuned E550 cars that are around here or on the W212 AMG section and hopefully will see your post and respond. My car is completely stock and the M278 is underrated at 403 HP. It’s more like 430. In stock trim it goes like stink, so something is really messed up if your car fells sluggish on a tune. It could be caused by a lot of things. I hope you get some assistance here and can get it sorted.
The following 2 users liked this post by KEY08:
biker349 (09-30-2022),
procrastiNATE (09-14-2022)
#3
Newbie
Thread Starter
There a few tuned E550 cars that are around here or on the W212 AMG section and hopefully will see your post and respond. My car is completely stock and the M278 is underrated at 403 HP. It’s more like 430. In stock trim it goes like stink, so something is really messed up if your car fells sluggish on a tune. It could be caused by a lot of things. I hope you get some assistance here and can get it sorted.
The following users liked this post:
KEY08 (09-13-2022)
#4
Super Member
Join Date: Feb 2019
Location: FL
Posts: 674
Received 386 Likes
on
249 Posts
2012 E550 sedan 2019 E63 Wagon
It should throw back into the seat, as 1g of acceleration. I stay away from black boost, don't know of anyone that has run anything from them without issues.
How much boost are you running, and what is your AFR(commanded and actual)?
How much boost are you running, and what is your AFR(commanded and actual)?
The following 2 users liked this post by S. Madman:
biker349 (09-30-2022),
procrastiNATE (09-14-2022)
#5
Newbie
Thread Starter
To answer your question, don't know, any suggestions on P3 like vent gauges or good OBDII gauges I can look into? It's a simple off the shelf tune so I wasn't planning on a large expense for a gauge setup but I suppose it's good insurance. The My Genius handheld tuner may do it, I need to look into that also. Also wish I did more research on BlackBoost, the few recommendations I received were pro Blackboost, probably should have just done the performance BMC filters and saved $900.
The following users liked this post:
biker349 (09-30-2022)
#6
Newbie
Thread Starter
Car felt quicker as time went on with adapting to the tune, definitely needs a TCU tune at some point though. I do keep getting a slowly recurring CEL though which I think is the BlackBoost Intake system. It is a crankcase ventilation code, P1CE700, which I think is because the intake system isn't closed. May have to live with clearing that one every week or two.
The following users liked this post:
biker349 (09-30-2022)
#7
Senior Member
Car felt quicker as time went on with adapting to the tune, definitely needs a TCU tune at some point though. I do keep getting a slowly recurring CEL though which I think is the BlackBoost Intake system. It is a crankcase ventilation code, P1CE700, which I think is because the intake system isn't closed. May have to live with clearing that one every week or two.
Trending Topics
#8
Newbie
Thread Starter
Error code P1CE700, CEL, CE crankcase wide open throttle - MBWorld.org Forums
The following users liked this post:
biker349 (09-30-2022)
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: south shore
Posts: 495
Likes: 0
Received 47 Likes
on
30 Posts
12' E559
Going catless you'll pick a **** ton of Tq i wanna say like 80wtq or more. look around you can find downpipes for not weistec money lol. I have an X pipe in my '12 with a tune sounds good with E63 mufflers. cant really see a major difference X to straight tho.
numbers look good with the intake. i did just a tad under 500whp and 600wtq. with nothing else besides minor exhaust work, still with stock DP's.
numbers look good with the intake. i did just a tad under 500whp and 600wtq. with nothing else besides minor exhaust work, still with stock DP's.
The following users liked this post:
biker349 (09-30-2022)
#10
Newbie
Thread Starter
Going catless you'll pick a **** ton of Tq i wanna say like 80wtq or more. look around you can find downpipes for not weistec money lol. I have an X pipe in my '12 with a tune sounds good with E63 mufflers. cant really see a major difference X to straight tho.
numbers look good with the intake. i did just a tad under 500whp and 600wtq. with nothing else besides minor exhaust work, still with stock DP's.
numbers look good with the intake. i did just a tad under 500whp and 600wtq. with nothing else besides minor exhaust work, still with stock DP's.
Ya I think I'll go with RedStar Exhaust's downpipe, but still looking at big money, just not Weistec money lol. X Pipe is going on as soon as my shop can catch up (my projects are not primary concerns lol). I think with X Pipe I"ll just be happy to get rid of that walloping V8 note that gets a little sloppy.
The following users liked this post:
biker349 (09-30-2022)
#11
Super Member
Been off the forum for a while and just saw your message Nate. Sorry. yeah, the error you are getting is because there is no vacuum signal on the sensors that were in the stock airboxes. I know some of the early BlackBoost systems had an incorrect setup for the evap system and this code will pop up every time you go full throttle. I have the sane issue with my homemade intake, but it does not attribute to any running conditions, it's just a tattletale. Also, going catless is the most increase you will see(other than a custom Full E85 Tune and an extra in-tank fuel pump, but I digress). The difference in 93 and E85 is violent in my car...it's brutal...With everything in the car and a bunch of crap in the trunk I ran a best E/T of 11.3@122mph in the 1/4(Dragy). Estimated power at the crank is 675hp/850tq.
Get an ELM327 OBD device and use TORQUE app to monitor your AIT's when running the car. You could have an issue in the intercooler system, like a bad/weak pump. Another option is to wire your I/C Pump to run any time the ignition is on, that helps with heat soak quite a bit.
Get an ELM327 OBD device and use TORQUE app to monitor your AIT's when running the car. You could have an issue in the intercooler system, like a bad/weak pump. Another option is to wire your I/C Pump to run any time the ignition is on, that helps with heat soak quite a bit.
#12
Newbie
Thread Starter
Been off the forum for a while and just saw your message Nate. Sorry. yeah, the error you are getting is because there is no vacuum signal on the sensors that were in the stock airboxes. I know some of the early BlackBoost systems had an incorrect setup for the evap system and this code will pop up every time you go full throttle. I have the sane issue with my homemade intake, but it does not attribute to any running conditions, it's just a tattletale. Also, going catless is the most increase you will see(other than a custom Full E85 Tune and an extra in-tank fuel pump, but I digress). The difference in 93 and E85 is violent in my car...it's brutal...With everything in the car and a bunch of crap in the trunk I ran a best E/T of 11.3@122mph in the 1/4(Dragy). Estimated power at the crank is 675hp/850tq.
Get an ELM327 OBD device and use TORQUE app to monitor your AIT's when running the car. You could have an issue in the intercooler system, like a bad/weak pump. Another option is to wire your I/C Pump to run any time the ignition is on, that helps with heat soak quite a bit.
Get an ELM327 OBD device and use TORQUE app to monitor your AIT's when running the car. You could have an issue in the intercooler system, like a bad/weak pump. Another option is to wire your I/C Pump to run any time the ignition is on, that helps with heat soak quite a bit.
#13
Newbie
Thread Starter
Also, in case you see this sooner than later, I do believe I have a belt slipping or something going on. When the car is almost to temp or just AT temp, if I go WOT or near it beyond 4000 RPM, I get an almost "Hellcat" sounding belt whine. It is hard to replicate. Any idea what this could be?
#14
Super Member
Also, in case you see this sooner than later, I do believe I have a belt slipping or something going on. When the car is almost to temp or just AT temp, if I go WOT or near it beyond 4000 RPM, I get an almost "Hellcat" sounding belt whine. It is hard to replicate. Any idea what this could be?
#15
Super Member
Thanks man, I knew you'd have an answer for my issue lol, turns out one of my MAP sensors (I think?) was not fully seated and you could see a visible gap between the sensor and the intake tube. Advice from a fellow member on the W212 Facebook group. Waiting to see if the CEL will come back, it typically was coming back every 2-3 weeks. That is a STOUT time on E85, good god. I wish it was easier to get around here. For now I am just heading to get my TCU tune done Thursday and still considering downpipes especially now that I have a second quieter daily driver. How loud is the W212 with the downpipes for longer drives? Still not sure I want to venture into that territory of loud.