FBS4 Key Replacement
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FBS4 Key Replacement
My car only came with 1 key when I bought it, so I've decided to order a new one.
Unfortunately, MY2013+ cars with FBS4 keys can only be ordered through the dealer since 3rd party key programming tools haven't been able to crack MB's encryption with FBS4.
Anyway, I went to my local stealer and they couldn't give me an exact price, the receptionist was being very vague and said it could cost anywhere from $550 to $1,100 for a new key, but the Service Advisor who I meet during my appointment will confirm the final amount.
My only concern is that they said I'll have to drop the car off for 3-4 hours with them so they can 'collect data' from the car and send that electronically with the order form to MB Germany who will ship the key to them. Apparently, this whole process takes 15-20 days.
I then asked another dealer that's further away about key replacement, and all they said was that I need to bring a valid ID, registration docs and they'll order the key and call me when it's ready. No need to leave the car with them.
After browsing various forums, there seem to be conflicting reports, so I'm not sure if the receptionist was misinformed.
Has anyone gotten a replacement key for their 2013+ W212? If so, how was your experience? Did they have to 'collect data' from the car before ordering the key? Did they key require programming after it was delivered to the dealer or do they come pre-programmed when ordered from Germany?
I'd appreciate if W212 or any other 2013-2016 MB owners could share their experiences with ordering new keys.
Thanks
Unfortunately, MY2013+ cars with FBS4 keys can only be ordered through the dealer since 3rd party key programming tools haven't been able to crack MB's encryption with FBS4.
Anyway, I went to my local stealer and they couldn't give me an exact price, the receptionist was being very vague and said it could cost anywhere from $550 to $1,100 for a new key, but the Service Advisor who I meet during my appointment will confirm the final amount.
My only concern is that they said I'll have to drop the car off for 3-4 hours with them so they can 'collect data' from the car and send that electronically with the order form to MB Germany who will ship the key to them. Apparently, this whole process takes 15-20 days.
I then asked another dealer that's further away about key replacement, and all they said was that I need to bring a valid ID, registration docs and they'll order the key and call me when it's ready. No need to leave the car with them.
After browsing various forums, there seem to be conflicting reports, so I'm not sure if the receptionist was misinformed.
Has anyone gotten a replacement key for their 2013+ W212? If so, how was your experience? Did they have to 'collect data' from the car before ordering the key? Did they key require programming after it was delivered to the dealer or do they come pre-programmed when ordered from Germany?
I'd appreciate if W212 or any other 2013-2016 MB owners could share their experiences with ordering new keys.
Thanks
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Anyway, I went to my local stealer and they couldn't give me an exact price, the receptionist was being very vague and said it could cost anywhere from $550 to $1,100 for a new key, but the Service Advisor who I meet during my appointment will confirm the final amount.
My only concern is that they said I'll have to drop the car off for 3-4 hours with them so they can 'collect data' from the car and send that electronically with the order form to MB Germany who will ship the key to them. Apparently, this whole process takes 15-20 days.
I then asked another dealer that's further away about key replacement, and all they said was that I need to bring a valid ID, registration docs and they'll order the key and call me when it's ready. No need to leave the car with them.
After browsing various forums, there seem to be conflicting reports, so I'm not sure if the receptionist was misinformed.
My only concern is that they said I'll have to drop the car off for 3-4 hours with them so they can 'collect data' from the car and send that electronically with the order form to MB Germany who will ship the key to them. Apparently, this whole process takes 15-20 days.
I then asked another dealer that's further away about key replacement, and all they said was that I need to bring a valid ID, registration docs and they'll order the key and call me when it's ready. No need to leave the car with them.
After browsing various forums, there seem to be conflicting reports, so I'm not sure if the receptionist was misinformed.
Note to buyers to be sure any car has its two OEM keys. That said, some used MBs pass to subsequent buyers with only one key. This means that there exists a second, legitimate key... somewhere, as ALL MBs are delivered from the factory with two keys.
The procedure noted by Konigstiger is intended to invalidate (deactivate) any keys not present with the car, and then order a second (replacement) key from Germany. Note the procedure given is for cars in the U.S. So your experience in Dubai almost certainly will not be the same, nor will the majority of members here be able to share meaningful experiences that will relate to your situation.
If your car proceeded along a circuitous route of ownership before landing in the UAE, you will have to let one of the dealers you've contacted follow their procedure (in your country) to order a replacement key for your VIN, as each dealer will have more (or less) experience in ordering keys... not a common process.
I'm not aware of any shortcut to this system, as Mercedes-Benz guards its key replacement process very closely. This is designed as a benefit to owners, making sure that you have the only legitimate key(s).
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Thanks for this. Page 4 and 5 seem to clear everything up. Will see how it goes during my appointment on Friday morning.
I am the second owner (third, if you count the dealer).
Previous owner bought the car in 2014 directly from the dealer in Dubai, it has never been out of the country. In fact the dealer I've booked an appointment with is the same dealer the car was purchased from and serviced at by the previous owner.
Yes I'm sure it had 2 keys when new, but the previous owner sold the car to a used car dealer and only gave them 1 key, so they only passed on 1 key to me. I found the previous owners phone number from the dealer service records and tried reaching out, but he claims he misplaced the other key. Not sure how much truth there is to that, so I'm glad they deactivate any keys that aren't present because I'd hate to know that someone out there has a key that still works on my car.
I'm glad MB has security policies in place to ensure unauthorized keys can't be made, but the procedure to get a new key shouldn't take 3 weeks, especially when priced that high.
Oh well, if I already managed to get by for an entire year with 1 key, I suppose I can wait a few more weeks.
Previous owner bought the car in 2014 directly from the dealer in Dubai, it has never been out of the country. In fact the dealer I've booked an appointment with is the same dealer the car was purchased from and serviced at by the previous owner.
Note to buyers to be sure any car has its two OEM keys. That said, some used MBs pass to subsequent buyers with only one key. This means that there exists a second, legitimate key... somewhere, as ALL MBs are delivered from the factory with two keys.
The procedure noted by Konigstiger is intended to invalidate (deactivate) any keys not present with the car, and then order a second (replacement) key from Germany. Note the procedure given is for cars in the U.S. So your experience in Dubai almost certainly will not be the same, nor will the majority of members here be able to share meaningful experiences that will relate to your situation.
The procedure noted by Konigstiger is intended to invalidate (deactivate) any keys not present with the car, and then order a second (replacement) key from Germany. Note the procedure given is for cars in the U.S. So your experience in Dubai almost certainly will not be the same, nor will the majority of members here be able to share meaningful experiences that will relate to your situation.
I'm glad MB has security policies in place to ensure unauthorized keys can't be made, but the procedure to get a new key shouldn't take 3 weeks, especially when priced that high.
Oh well, if I already managed to get by for an entire year with 1 key, I suppose I can wait a few more weeks.
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I am the second owner (third, if you count the dealer).
Previous owner bought the car in 2014 directly from the dealer in Dubai, it has never been out of the country. In fact the dealer I've booked an appointment with is the same dealer the car was purchased from and serviced at by the previous owner.
Previous owner bought the car in 2014 directly from the dealer in Dubai, it has never been out of the country. In fact the dealer I've booked an appointment with is the same dealer the car was purchased from and serviced at by the previous owner.
Yes I'm sure it had 2 keys when new, but the previous owner sold the car to a used car dealer and only gave them 1 key, so they only passed on 1 key to me. I found the previous owners phone number from the dealer service records and tried reaching out, but he claims he misplaced the other key. Not sure how much truth there is to that, so I'm glad they deactivate any keys that aren't present because I'd hate to know that someone out there has a key that still works on my car.
The place where I got my car specializes in MBs purchased at off-lease auctions, held by Mercedes-Benz Financial. They told me they would most often not even bid on a lease-return car that did not include both keys. But I suppose if the bid is low enough to make financial sense, they would...
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), and guess what, the remaining key started having issues a few months later. So, time to get the new key, and even a week seemed like an eternity since that was the only car available to her at the time.I am right about reactivating an old VW Golf (overseas), and nobody in the family remembers where the keys are. Glad is an older type, and we can make the key from the barrel and program it using VCDS (Xentry equivalent for the VAG group). I am definitely deactivating the missing keys from the car's computer.
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You should invest in some Apple Airtags for the keys at that price. I knew about the high price when I bought the cars so I haven't lost any keys yet. For Ford cars, there's a program called Forscan which can scan all Ford specific codes and also add and remove keys from the system. And it's all free. Only works on Ford and Mazda though.
As for the process in Dubai, who knows, but here's it's the same thing, you get various prices from different dealers. Basically the price difference seems to be whether the service advisor orders the key for you or the parts department. When the service guys order the keys, they charge for programming which normally just involves putting the key in the ignition and turning it. But I think in OP's case, they will also remove an old key from the system. If you just have a broken key, no need to pay to remove the old key as there's no service charge when just ordering the key from parts.
As for the process in Dubai, who knows, but here's it's the same thing, you get various prices from different dealers. Basically the price difference seems to be whether the service advisor orders the key for you or the parts department. When the service guys order the keys, they charge for programming which normally just involves putting the key in the ignition and turning it. But I think in OP's case, they will also remove an old key from the system. If you just have a broken key, no need to pay to remove the old key as there's no service charge when just ordering the key from parts.
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Update:
Took the car to the dealer this morning. Service Advisor said it'll take an hour to 'collect the codes' from the car. Technician took the car in, connected his laptop and just over an hour later it was all done.
They said it'll take 3-4 weeks for the new key because keys often get stopped by customs and it can sometimes take 2 weeks to get them cleared.
Total charge was a whopping 3,487 AED, which converts to 950 USD. Ridiculous, but that's the price to pay I guess.
P/N ordered was A 222 905 19 10.
I asked about disabling / removing the missing key and he said he'll get the technician to do it when I bring the car to receive the new key, apparently it only takes 5-10 minutes.
Took the car to the dealer this morning. Service Advisor said it'll take an hour to 'collect the codes' from the car. Technician took the car in, connected his laptop and just over an hour later it was all done.
They said it'll take 3-4 weeks for the new key because keys often get stopped by customs and it can sometimes take 2 weeks to get them cleared.
Total charge was a whopping 3,487 AED, which converts to 950 USD. Ridiculous, but that's the price to pay I guess.
P/N ordered was A 222 905 19 10.
I asked about disabling / removing the missing key and he said he'll get the technician to do it when I bring the car to receive the new key, apparently it only takes 5-10 minutes.
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Thank you for the 3rd party information. I will keep it in mind next time. Unfortunately, she got it at the stealership.
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Update:
Took the car to the dealer this morning. Service Advisor said it'll take an hour to 'collect the codes' from the car. Technician took the car in, connected his laptop and just over an hour later it was all done.
They said it'll take 3-4 weeks for the new key because keys often get stopped by customs and it can sometimes take 2 weeks to get them cleared.
Total charge was a whopping 3,487 AED, which converts to 950 USD. Ridiculous, but that's the price to pay I guess.
P/N ordered was A 222 905 19 10.
I asked about disabling / removing the missing key and he said he'll get the technician to do it when I bring the car to receive the new key, apparently it only takes 5-10 minutes.
Took the car to the dealer this morning. Service Advisor said it'll take an hour to 'collect the codes' from the car. Technician took the car in, connected his laptop and just over an hour later it was all done.
They said it'll take 3-4 weeks for the new key because keys often get stopped by customs and it can sometimes take 2 weeks to get them cleared.
Total charge was a whopping 3,487 AED, which converts to 950 USD. Ridiculous, but that's the price to pay I guess.
P/N ordered was A 222 905 19 10.
I asked about disabling / removing the missing key and he said he'll get the technician to do it when I bring the car to receive the new key, apparently it only takes 5-10 minutes.
), i.e. the computer creates a new set of codes to differentiate from the lost keys. However, keep in mind the bladed key (within the FOB) still can open the car, or trunk. I guess the alarm will trigger if it cannot detect the valid code from the FOB?
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I can kind of understand if MB charged $950 for the newer style key, like the ones you get with W213s or newer W222s, but almost 1k for the same old key that's been around for years is just unreasonable, especially when you consider the dealer doesn't even have to program it.
You guys are fortunate to have so many dealers to choose from, so you can shop around and price match.
You guys are fortunate to have so many dealers to choose from, so you can shop around and price match.
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With my 2010 E550 they only had one key at purchase. I told them they needed to order me a key as part of the purchase. They did and then said they lost the key, and would be ordering another one. That one came in and I picked it up. No programming required. Just stick it in and turn and you get an “ authorizing new key” pop up. They called a month later and had found the first key they had ordered behind some file cabinets. I picked that one up too and had 3 keys. 😁
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Yeah, he's joking. I park my car in a garage that's valet parking only and they roll the windows down and leave the key in the car. As far as I know, they haven't had any cars stolen. It needs a key card to get out of the garage which I keep with me so at least if anyone ever steals it, they'll either have to drive through the gate or pay to get it out.
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Just to settle the conversation on DAS4 keys. If your vehicle has an existing key, you can take your vehicle to any dealership and have them add a key with no issues at all. If your vehicles has no keys (all keys lost situation), then the vehicle has to taken to the dealer. Once at the dealer, the vehicle is connected to the Mercedes server and the data uploaded. Within 24 hours a new key has to be ordered and it will arrive pre-programmed. As an independent shop, I am able to order either additional keys or all lost keys situation but that is because we have the Xentry Kit 4 set up and we also have all the needed licensing through NASTF. So if you can find an independent shop with the right tools and licensing, in your area, you should be able to order keys. Other wise dealership only. Pricing on the other hand can go up to $1500 depending on dealership pricing.
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I had my keyless go key done 3-4 years ago for $560 including checking the computer for lost keys and adjusting tire pressure.
But took me visit to California, where MB of Fairfield always gave me good pricing, while 2 MB dealers in Las Vegas Valley gouge customers with no mercy.
Prices on keys jump out of control.
I remember my 1st digital knob cost $120 about 15 years ago and I could order it over the internet/fax.
Than about 10 years ago I paid $162 for knob, where blade key was listed at $16.
Last month I had new blade ordered for my W212 and Vegas dealer shaved me from $180 !!!
But took me visit to California, where MB of Fairfield always gave me good pricing, while 2 MB dealers in Las Vegas Valley gouge customers with no mercy.
Prices on keys jump out of control.
I remember my 1st digital knob cost $120 about 15 years ago and I could order it over the internet/fax.
Than about 10 years ago I paid $162 for knob, where blade key was listed at $16.
Last month I had new blade ordered for my W212 and Vegas dealer shaved me from $180 !!!
