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Old Jul 18, 2024 | 02:56 AM
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When and if you are removing those injectors, may I suggest send it for testing and you get it cleaned and the piezo stack refresh while at it.
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Old Jul 20, 2024 | 12:05 PM
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Ok could use a quick sanity check here im confusing myself!

I got the car all apart last night no major issues

this morning I started putting in some new parts

i took out my old cam adjuster- this is right intake.

when I went to install the new one, its like the dowel pins for cam and timing mark are in a different spot than the original I took out?

here is a pic. I used white paint to mark timing mark on back.



timing mark at the bottom you can see cam alignment dowels aren’t in the same location. Is this normal to have to move cam? Am I over thinking it?
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Old Jul 20, 2024 | 12:08 PM
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Also to add. I turned the motor over by hand to check with paint mark lines and my adjuster was jumping. So is it slightly off because it was jumping?
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Old Jul 20, 2024 | 12:19 PM
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Old Jul 20, 2024 | 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Porno Joe
Ok could use a quick sanity check here im confusing myself!

I got the car all apart last night no major issues

this morning I started putting in some new parts

i took out my old cam adjuster- this is right intake.

when I went to install the new one, its like the dowel pins for cam and timing mark are in a different spot than the original I took out?

here is a pic. I used white paint to mark timing mark on back.



timing mark at the bottom you can see cam alignment dowels aren’t in the same location. Is this normal to have to move cam? Am I over thinking it?
these 2 parts look really similar.
This VVT gear should last given good working oil pressure.
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Old Jul 20, 2024 | 02:56 PM
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valves should not meet pistons

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Also to add. I turned the motor over by hand to check with paint mark lines and my adjuster was jumping.
So is it slightly off because it was jumping?
PJ be sure not to turn your crank without camshafts connected...

Timing is jumped when camshaft rotates forward. This is what good tensioners help prevent while VVT is unlocked.

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Old Jul 20, 2024 | 04:31 PM
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Think I have it now

Spent all day double checking my timing.

I believe, when I disconnected everything to change intake cam adjuster, the exhaust cam moved so I was out of time.

I followed the WIS for checking thru the hall sensor holes and knew I was off- confirmed my exhaust cam moved. So I took it back apart rigged up some tools to lock my cams in time using the lines on the back. Bolted it together and checking thru the holes looks good to me. Even had my wife double check she agreed they look centered.

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Old Jul 20, 2024 | 06:04 PM
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Nice team work! Aligning timing marks through sensor holes is

The last step is rotate crank manually to double-check for interferance.
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Old Jul 21, 2024 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Porno Joe
Ok could use a quick sanity check here im confusing myself!

I got the car all apart last night no major issues

this morning I started putting in some new parts

i took out my old cam adjuster- this is right intake.

when I went to install the new one, its like the dowel pins for cam and timing mark are in a different spot than the original I took out?

here is a pic. I used white paint to mark timing mark on back.



timing mark at the bottom you can see cam alignment dowels aren’t in the same location. Is this normal to have to move cam? Am I over thinking it?

No you are not over thinking, you just don't seems to realize that this is VVT mechanism able to do approx 40 degrees variable degree.
Sold new the VVT would be in locked position, which if for my engine M276 3.0 Turbo and is only a few degrees different to M276.9 3.5NA.... mine is at +33 degrees
On M276.9 3.5NA the difference is only like 3 degrees to my engine.

So, what you have is a VVT not locking at its home base or zero position, and you are comparing it to a new one "parked" at its "zero" position.

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Now that you have access to your camshaft, do check your tone wheel position. It can spin out of position.



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This tone wheel being OFF can also create the DTC for out of spec timing between CAM and CRANK.

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Old Jul 21, 2024 | 01:39 PM
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Old Jul 24, 2024 | 02:19 PM
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well i can the say the car is back together, and nobody died- including the car.

had a hold up waiting for the injector seals, other wise would have been done days ago.

only put about 4 miles on the car, but the noise seems to be gone. i can also say even though my car had the check valves/updated tensioners, they clearly had some wear on them. the new ones are much stiffer.

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Old Jul 24, 2024 | 02:50 PM
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also i did check the tone wheels on the side i had apart- im good no slipping
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Old Feb 7, 2025 | 02:28 PM
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happened to be back on the forum looking for something so thought I would update

about 4500 miles on the new adjuster. zero issues with the car. doesnt sound like a bucket of bolts when it starts anymore!

think im going to stick with 5k oil changes to hopefully help out some.
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Originally Posted by Porno Joe
happened to be back on the forum looking for something so thought I would update

about 4500 miles on the new adjuster. zero issues with the car. doesnt sound like a bucket of bolts when it starts anymore!

think im going to stick with 5k oil changes to hopefully help out some.
Minimum xW40 MB 229.5 Approved, and listed by MB operating fluids webpage
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all approved... not equals

Not just any MB Approved 5w40 !!

There's a BIG difference in the way these "Approved oils" age and how rapidly they loose viscosity to become W30 lubricants. Your VVT gears depend on your oil selection.

Go ahead try a Motul 5W40 SP or better... You'll be pleased how well it endures extreme heat without oxidizing.

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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Not just any MB Approved 5w40 !!

There's a BIG difference in the way these "Approved oils" age and how rapidly they loose viscosity to become W30 lubricants. Your VVT gears depend on your oil selection.

Go ahead try a Motul 5W40 SP or better... You'll be pleased how well it endures extreme heat without oxidizing.
If you are talking about X-Cess gen 2, sadly it is not SP : ( only SN I believe.
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
If you are talking about X-Cess gen 2, sadly it is not SP : ( only SN I believe.
SP rated. Old bottles still out there are SN
https://www.motul.com/en-US/products/17603
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
If you are talking about X-Cess gen 2, sadly it is not SP : ( only SN I believe.
Really ... you may be looking at old SN stocks

the new specs... are up to date: SP
New specs... are up to date: SP clean formulation

@JCM_MB + @pierrejoliat precisely understand what good lubricants are made of. Without their advice I would still be struggling with black sludge.


There are many good lubricants... not only Motul but it's really hard to match!!

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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Really ... you may be looking at old SN stocks

the new specs... are up to date: SP
New specs... are up to date: SP clean formulation

@JCM_MB + @pierrejoliat precisely understand what good lubricants are made of. Without their advice I would still be pulling my hair with black sludge.


There are many good lubricants... not only Motul but it's really hard to match!!
Happy to be corrected, thank you : ) that is strange because the bottle I used in October is SN rated only
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Old Feb 7, 2025 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JCM_MB
SP rated. Old bottles still out there are SN
https://www.motul.com/en-US/products/17603
Thank you : ) I guess I should be pissed that the store sold me old stock back in October but also very glad it is SP rated now.
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I am getting very confused, are the SP rated ones only sold in specific places, that is why I ended up with the SN rated one?
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post9062102
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post9062176
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post9066852
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post9066224
https://mbworld.org/forums/w212-amg/...ml#post9065572
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Originally Posted by W205C43PFL
Thank you : ) I guess I should be pissed that the store sold me old stock back in October but also very glad it is SP rated now.
The previous SN was already using a solid base stock.

It takes heat very well without sheering polymers back to base viscosity.

SN/SP are only the friction modifier package blended in the stock. Cleaner deposits for Lambda/Cats cleanliness.



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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
The previous SN was already using a solid base stock.
It takes heat without sheering polymers back to w30 base viscosity.
SN/SP are the friction modifier package blended in the stock.
All slick chemistry
I guess if what I had was SP and having LSPI protection would make me feel better too bad
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