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Old Aug 6, 2025 | 05:44 PM
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Car jerks when downshifting from gear 4-3

Hello, i noticed my car started jerking recently when i gradually decelerate from high speeds. The jerk happens when downshifting from 4-3.

when i decelerate fast, it doesn’t jerk. I guess thats because some gears may be skipped in such scenarios.

i’ve had the TCM scanned and here’s the result

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I’ve also had the transmission oil level checked and the technician said its about 3 litres short.

has any one experienced this before and what fixed it

some are saying i need to change the VGS while another technician suggests servicing the transmission
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Old Aug 6, 2025 | 07:02 PM
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Sorry to read about this tranny issue... Electrical faults
These electrical faults read like it's time for VGS repair.

The odd parts is these are 2x distinct electrical faults. I don't see low ATF doing that.

It looks like the ECO tranny pump is now up for repair.
Were you a fan of using ECO?
That could help explain pump going bad.

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Old Aug 6, 2025 | 08:36 PM
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How exactly did he determine that the level was 3L short?
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Old Aug 7, 2025 | 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ChuangTzu
How exactly did he determine that the level was 3L short?

a scanner, think it was xentry or so. I wasn’t paying attention
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Old Aug 7, 2025 | 12:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Sorry to read about this tranny issue... Electrical faults
These electrical faults read like it's time for VGS repair.

The odd parts is these are 2x distinct electrical faults. I don't see low ATF doing that.

It looks like the ECO tranny pump is now up for repair.
Were you a fan of using ECO?
That could help explain pump going bad.


ECO start / stop you mean? Or the ECO & SPORT Mode.

if its ECO start/stop; not at all. It hasn’t worked since i got the car
if its ECO driving mode, yeah, i assume its the default driving mode

please clarify
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Originally Posted by Ad8kunle
ECO start / stop you mean? Or the ECO & SPORT Mode.

if its ECO start/stop; not at all. It hasn’t worked since i got the car
if its ECO driving mode, yeah, i assume its the default driving mode

please clarify
Yes, ECO is Engine Cut Off ie. Start-Stop
this activates tranny electric pump to keep ATF pressure available without delay after restarting.
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Old Aug 7, 2025 | 04:00 AM
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Originally Posted by CaliBenzDriver
Yes, ECO is Engine Cut Off ie. Start-Stop
this activates tranny electric pump to keep ATF pressure available without delay after restarting.

interesting, that’s probably why the ECO Function does not work. Thanks for sharing that.

In that case, the pressure control solenoid valve is would be responsible for the jerking.

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If you're 3 liters low it thinks the solenoids aren't working because of a lack of line pressure. It's totally recoverable, just drain and fill and replace the filter and you're *probably* ok

When youre running such low pressure the input speed sensor and output speed sensor will send data that the ecu doesn't like because theyre not running well and it thinks the sensor is reporting improbable data. I see this in BMW's that don't get their ZF transmission serviced and then BMW sells them a completely new transmission because "going in and replacing the turbine speed sensor would cost $3000" when its quite literally just fluid dynamics ruining the show. Imagine trying to fill a bicycle tire but theres a hole in the pump line and you keep inflating and inflating but you think theres an issue with the pump.

You need to do a transmission service, make sure the level is correct, and overfill it a couple more times a half liter at a time to really flush the debris out cuz the fluid is burnt, thickened, and evaporated through the vent tube...

The pans unfortunately also develop porosity over time depending where you live and the gasket can also go out. Theres a lot of possibilities here but I don't care about the science of it I just want the car working again.
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Originally Posted by ChrisHimself
If you're 3 liters low it thinks the solenoids aren't working because of a lack of line pressure. It's totally recoverable, just drain and fill and replace the filter and you're *probably* ok

When youre running such low pressure the input speed sensor and output speed sensor will send data that the ecu doesn't like because theyre not running well and it thinks the sensor is reporting improbable data. I see this in BMW's that don't get their ZF transmission serviced and then BMW sells them a completely new transmission because "going in and replacing the turbine speed sensor would cost $3000" when its quite literally just fluid dynamics ruining the show. Imagine trying to fill a bicycle tire but theres a hole in the pump line and you keep inflating and inflating but you think theres an issue with the pump.

You need to do a transmission service, make sure the level is correct, and overfill it a couple more times a half liter at a time to really flush the debris out cuz the fluid is burnt, thickened, and evaporated through the vent tube...

The pans unfortunately also develop porosity over time depending where you live and the gasket can also go out. Theres a lot of possibilities here but I don't care about the science of it I just want the car working again.

wow thank you so much for this contribution
i will do a transmission service first before anything else.
i really wouldn’t want to open up the trans if they unnecessary
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A VGS code is detecting a difference between the input and output shaft speeds, the output shaft is fluid coupled so if its not running well its going to see a slower shaft speed and therefore it's going to think your transmission is mechanically broken. The fluid coupling is more or less the only thing keeping the wheels spinning. Theres going to be a LOT of burnt fluid in the system so again I cannot stress how important it is to rinse the transmission by pushing extra fluid into it and letting it drain out.

Order 9L and just use all of it.. itll run better than new since all the break-in debris is still there. The entire system takes 9L
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Can Xentry read out the transmission fluid level on this car? Which transmission is it?
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Originally Posted by ChuangTzu
Can Xentry read out the transmission fluid level on this car? Which transmission is it?

mercedes e350 2014 7G transmission

not exactly sure which of the devices he used cause has the xentry and another one that's like a thick-red-tablet

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