Lies, damned lies and statistics.

 

You have to take these stats with a grain of salt. If the survey was over a period of 3 years.it means the best car had an average of one problem and the worst car had 2.5 problems in the same period of time. Many of the problems with the more complex cars are for tutoring on using the the electronics. Of course a base Hyundai will not have many issues because of its’ simplicity.

 

You have to remember that according to JD Power, anything the customer doesn't like or doesn't understand is considered a defect. Even if it is working exactly as it was intended.

 

Typically those are covered in their first 90 day 'Initial Quality' survey ratings, and not the three year 'Dependability' survey ratings mentioned above. But agreed that their ratings are meaningless for determining either 'Initial Quality' or 'Dependability' of the upcoming W214.

 

To be fair, the 535i had the N55 engine which is not known to be perfect, while the G30 and this new G60 have the B58 engine, a different 3.0 liter 6 cylinder that by most accounts is noticably more reliable of an engine.

Also, the E Classes in question have a different engine. Your 2020 E450 has the extremely reliable if not buttery smooth M276 V6 engine, while the facelift W213 and new W214 E450s use the seemingly also highly reliable and very smooth M256.

 

Reports out of Germany now indicate that production of the W214 will now be pushed back to the end of 2024 due to battery shortages from Bosch.

This is an almost catastrophic business failure and will likely result in billions of dollars in lost sales. It's also a HUGE boost for BMW which seems on track to begin delivery of their new 5 series in just a few months.

WOW!

 

Wow! This is quite shocking... an entire year for the bread and butter E-Class? Someone is definitely getting fired over this. Whether at Bosch or Mercedes. Is there a reason why BMW and Porsche aren't having these issues?

 

What is your source?

 

https://mbpassion.de/2023/11/e-klass...erzoegerungen/


E-CLASS SEDAN WITH SIGNIFICANT DELIVERY DELAYS
MARKUS JORDAN·1. NOVEMBER 2023
E-CLASS
Anyone who currently orders an E-Class as a sedan must be patient: the earliest availability of the W214 series as a combustion engine is currently in the fourth quarter of 2024. The reason this time is probably not the demand, but delivery problems at the supplier.

E-Klasse Limousine mit erheblichen Lieferverzögerungen

E-class limousine has delivery bottleneck

Who currently has an E-Class of the new 214 series as a sedan as a pure combustion vehicle ordered, must be patient until at least the fourth quarter of 2024. On the other hand, it is only faster with the Hybrid plug-in, which can be delivered in the first quarter of 2024, identical to the Hybrid T-model. The combustion engine variants of the E-Class as a T-model are also currently in the second quarter of 2024.

E-Klasse Limousine mit erheblichen Lieferverzögerungen

Long delivery time for the sedan of the 214 series

The reason for the long delivery time is a current bottleneck in 48 volt batteries of the mild hybrid variants of the sedan, as was already the case with GLC-Model is the case. Other series are currently not affected. Due to the problems with the supplier, it slows down the high production of the new E-Class generation, which, as a high-margin series, could have negative consequences for the car manufacturer.

 

Ya, those 48 volt batteries sure have been a problem for everyone it seems. I think MB is really pushing the Electrics and Hybrids and has lost interest in making internal combustion cars it seems.

 

Its not exactly in MB's control, its a Bosch sourced part, same thing with the ZF strike.

 

"The combustion engine variants of the E-Class as a T-model are also currently available in the second quarter of 2024."

Does this mean the e450 all terrain will be Q2?

 

I believe BMW sources its batteries from China. Maybe it's time for MB to explore this option.

This is an "all hands on deck" moment for MB. If the introduction of the W214 is delayed almost a year it'll be a catastrophe for them.

 

My understanding is that they source their batteries from China.

 

I have owned a BMW 335i with the N55. It was a lot smoother and had better power delivery than the m256 in my 2022 E450. I have had 6 BMWs though, and the only one I had tons of mechanical issues with was the N55. That motor was truly a piece of junk.

I have driven several BMW models with the B58 and it is a lot better than the M256. It’s smoother, sounds better, and the power delivery is better.

 

I’ve had 6 BMWs and the only one that gave me issues was my 2011 335 with the N55.

I had a 2017 530i for a few years. No issues at all despite it being first model year for that generation.

In contrast, I’ve had 2 non-scheduled services on my 2022 E450 with 22k miles so far this year, and have to bring it in a third time in 2 weeks.

The first time I had to bring it in because the surround view camera system completely stopped working, there was a rattle from the heads up display area, there was a rattle from the headliner, and the brakes rotors feel warped or something (pedal feel is inconsistent). They fixed the cameras with a software update. They also fixed the rattle from the heads up display. They claim they couldn’t find the rattle from the headliner and the brake pedal feel is normal.

Second time in for non-scheduled service the self-parking system wasn’t working and they had to do fuel pump recall. The parking module had to be replaced. I also asked them to address the headliner rattle and the brake issue which they claim they can’t reproduce. Those items still not fixed.

Latest issue, I took the car to an independent mechanic for a service B. When I picked up the car they took me into the shop and showed me that the engine mount was leaking. They also confirmed the brake pedal feel is not normal, and they heard the rattle in the headliner.

I’m bringing the car back to Mercedes in 2 weeks to address the motor mount and the other issues. The headliner rattle has gotten significantly worse so I will have a hard time believing them at this point if they can’t reproduce. The driver seat has also developed a creaking noise that I’m going to have them look at.

My 2017 530 had no mechanical or build quality issues. I’m hoping that once these items are taken care of on the e450 it will be smooth sailing, but Mercedes should be embarrassed that I have less rattles in my 2002 BMW M5 with 160k miles than in a 2022 E450 with 22k miles.

 

Please keep this thread on topic. Thanks.

 

Aren't possible concerns based on previous E-Class ownership and comparisons to direct competitors of the W214 a legitimate topic (among others, of course) for discussion on a forum devoted to the W214?

 

Interior of new i5 is terrible for my Boomer taste...more aligned for my 24-year old Daughter who was furious that Microsoft Employees would lose free access to Xbox Gamepass Ultimate next January (MS has since reversed decision because of employee complaints).

W214 is worth the wait in my opinion with better design both inside and out. Too bad Mercedes will not listen to complaints from W213 E63s owners about the lack of V8 option for the W214...would even settle for SL55 engine from the R232 instead of 48V Bosch battery nonsense in upcoming and now delayed E450.

 

opening a new forum for the w214 was also delayed parallelly.

 

The thread is about the launch, unveiling, news, etc. of the W214, much information of which is yet to come and many of us are curious to know about. Anecdotal comments about decades old BMWs are completely off topic. Issues with previous E-class or other Mercedes models are largely irrelevant as well; feel free to start another thread about "possible concerns based on previous E-class ownership" if you'd like.

 

issues with W213 are hardly irrelevant to the W214 which uses the carry-over M256 motor. It would be helpful for those considering a W214 (myself included) to understand what changes have been made between the W213 and W214 otherwise I would rather drive a “decades old BMW” than to spend money on something that has not been improved.

Hopefully someone with knowledge of the W214 can provide some insight (maybe even some Mercedes insiders on this forum can chime in)

 

I wonder when the 2024 e 450 wagon comes out in the USA? Was watching some reviews on the 2024 Terrain wagon and it looks nice, looks like MB cleaned up the front end and side and use less plastic cladding and the infotainment system looks very appealing.

 

Anyone have any further information or updates about the battery availability issue and the possible delay in the introduction of the W214?



Salespeople around here seem to have no idea what I'm talking about when I ask them about this.

 

Mercedes-Benz of Rockville Center has a 2024 E350 already listed on their website. They always post cars as soon as they are allocated, in production, and get a vin number, so it doesn't mean that launch is anywhere close, just that US Market post-trial production but early market launch cars are already in production and being allocated and given vins. This one has a serial number already in the 16000s. Nicely equipped with moonlight white, superscreen, pinnacle, digitallights, vebtillated seats, 20 inch black wheels, and then it also has a standalone option for lane departure alert (the buzz buzz as you leave the lanes) which won't end up being a reguilarly available optino for custom orders.

Either way, I think this is a good sign.