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Two features they took away for the MB E-Class are the double visors and the button to lower the rear head rests. My 2012 E had both features. The remote button to lower the rear head rests is not too big of a deal, but the missing dual sun visor is a something I used all the time.
BTW, how do you now raise the headrest?
The warranty on my 2019 E450 runs out this year and I was in my local Mercedes dealership and spent time in the new E class. From my point of view, I think the dash with the polished walnut and the integration of the screen in my car is classier than the two screens that seem to be pasted onto the dash. Seat wise not much difference. Rear seats felt similar with the seats in the new one slightly more legroom and the trunk a bit bigger. There are no additional safety features on the 2025 that I do not already have on my car. The auto start because of the 48 volt battery in the 2025 is much, much smoother. (I personally like auto/stop start because of the fuel it saves and the reduction on pollution, although I realize that many do not). Pop out door handles I think is a gimmick and an answer to a question no one asked and in the cold, they will freeze. So to me this is a step backward.
I am avoiding driving one because from all I have read, and all I have seen posted, the new E450's ride and quietness is leaps ahead of my car with almost 55,000 miles on it. I am afraid that if I drive a new 2025 E450 I will want it!
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Sorry, I don't have a list, and I looked on the Volvo forum (swedespeed.com and didn't find one discussion item that gives one). Mine was a V90CC Ocean Race and the OR came with a bunch of special items (such as V90 Sport seats. They are only available on the V90 and not the V90CC). The drive mode select control is gone. Supposedly you have to go into the touch screen to change and it cannot be changed when driving. The trunk mounted rear seat back control is deleted. The latch is on the rear seat seat back. If something pops up on their forum I'll add it here.
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The handling, power, ride quality is pretty special and I felt that before we even left the dealer's parking lot (and unlike one contributor, I love the sound of the inline six--though I was coming out of a 4 cylinder .). The seats are much better than on the 2019 CLS 450 I leased, though they're not the best in town. Headlights are a disappointment, especially hi-beams, for us older folks developing cataracts. My SL's are much better. You do need to drive the car, though and see how easy it isn't to set the cruise control, adjust radio volume, change a radio station, adjust climate. I've learned that I need to predetermine if I want to listen to a radio station and at what volume, and adjust the climate, and anything else you might change your mind on while driving, before leaving the driveway because finding the right spot to press isn't that easy on the road--and especially annoying, the screen goes back to Home view too quickly. For example, adjusting volume. The small slider on the steering wheel just doesn't work for me. I either get full volume or mute when I try to adjust. So I use the larger slider under the info screen. The process is as follows: Take you eyes off the road to find the right spot. Press to have the larger volume slider appear on the info screen. Look back onto the road to avoid the oncoming truck. Look back to the info screen, only to see it already went back to the Home Screen. Repeat the process until you get so frustrated that you hit the mute button. If you always drive with a copilot then no problem.
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The handling, power, ride quality is pretty special and I felt that before we even left the dealer's parking lot (and unlike one contributor, I love the sound of the inline six--though I was coming out of a 4 cylinder .). The seats are much better than on the 2019 CLS 450 I leased, though they're not the best in town. Headlights are a disappointment, especially hi-beams, for us older folks developing cataracts. My SL's are much better. You do need to drive the car, though and see how easy it isn't to set the cruise control, adjust radio volume, change a radio station, adjust climate. I've learned that I need to predetermine if I want to listen to a radio station and at what volume, and adjust the climate, and anything else you might change your mind on while driving, before leaving the driveway because finding the right spot to press isn't that easy on the road--and especially annoying, the screen goes back to Home view too quickly. For example, adjusting volume. The small slider on the steering wheel just doesn't work for me. I either get full volume or mute when I try to adjust. So I use the larger slider under the info screen. The process is as follows: Take you eyes off the road to find the right spot. Press to have the larger volume slider appear on the info screen. Look back onto the road to avoid the oncoming truck. Look back to the info screen, only to see it already went back to the Home Screen. Repeat the process until you get so frustrated that you hit the mute button. If you always drive with a copilot then no problem.
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The handling, power, ride quality is pretty special and I felt that before we even left the dealer's parking lot (and unlike one contributor, I love the sound of the inline six--though I was coming out of a 4 cylinder .). The seats are much better than on the 2019 CLS 450 I leased, though they're not the best in town. Headlights are a disappointment, especially hi-beams, for us older folks developing cataracts. My SL's are much better. You do need to drive the car, though and see how easy it isn't to set the cruise control, adjust radio volume, change a radio station, adjust climate. I've learned that I need to predetermine if I want to listen to a radio station and at what volume, and adjust the climate, and anything else you might change your mind on while driving, before leaving the driveway because finding the right spot to press isn't that easy on the road--and especially annoying, the screen goes back to Home view too quickly. For example, adjusting volume. The small slider on the steering wheel just doesn't work for me. I either get full volume or mute when I try to adjust. So I use the larger slider under the info screen. The process is as follows: Take you eyes off the road to find the right spot. Press to have the larger volume slider appear on the info screen. Look back onto the road to avoid the oncoming truck. Look back to the info screen, only to see it already went back to the Home Screen. Repeat the process until you get so frustrated that you hit the mute button. If you always drive with a copilot then no problem.
We understand that a coding, when you use the screen, is much, much cheaper than buttons and under Elon Musk, he tried to convince us that it is better: see Hans Christin Andersen's "The Emperor new Clothes"
I have been reading that VW, Hyundai and Kia and other manufacturers on new models are bringing back buttons.
Mercedes: it is never to late to admit a mistake and re-introduce buttons: no reason to try to "reinvent the wheel."
Just my $.02
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Plus driver's ability to turn on passenger's heated seats.
BTW, how do you now raise the headrest?
The warranty on my 2019 E450 runs out this year and I was in my local Mercedes dealership and spent time in the new E class. From my point of view, I think the dash with the polished walnut and the integration of the screen in my car is classier than the two screens that seem to be pasted onto the dash. Seat wise not much difference. Rear seats felt similar with the seats in the new one slightly more legroom and the trunk a bit bigger. There are no additional safety features on the 2025 that I do not already have on my car. The auto start because of the 48 volt battery in the 2025 is much, much smoother. (I personally like auto/stop start because of the fuel it saves and the reduction on pollution, although I realize that many do not). Pop out door handles I think is a gimmick and an answer to a question no one asked and in the cold, they will freeze. So to me this is a step backward.
I am avoiding driving one because from all I have read, and all I have seen posted, the new E450's ride and quietness is leaps ahead of my car with almost 55,000 miles on it. I am afraid that if I drive a new 2025 E450 I will want it!
BTW, how do you now raise the headrest?
The warranty on my 2019 E450 runs out this year and I was in my local Mercedes dealership and spent time in the new E class. From my point of view, I think the dash with the polished walnut and the integration of the screen in my car is classier than the two screens that seem to be pasted onto the dash. Seat wise not much difference. Rear seats felt similar with the seats in the new one slightly more legroom and the trunk a bit bigger. There are no additional safety features on the 2025 that I do not already have on my car. The auto start because of the 48 volt battery in the 2025 is much, much smoother. (I personally like auto/stop start because of the fuel it saves and the reduction on pollution, although I realize that many do not). Pop out door handles I think is a gimmick and an answer to a question no one asked and in the cold, they will freeze. So to me this is a step backward.
I am avoiding driving one because from all I have read, and all I have seen posted, the new E450's ride and quietness is leaps ahead of my car with almost 55,000 miles on it. I am afraid that if I drive a new 2025 E450 I will want it!
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So to hear that from you. Like you, (I suspect) I am older, past 80 and learning new ways to do the same thing is harder and harder, especially when the new way is a step backward from the old way.
We understand that a coding, when you use the screen, is much, much cheaper than buttons and under Elon Musk, he tried to convince us that it is better: see Hans Christin Andersen's "The Emperor new Clothes"
I have been reading that VW, Hyundai and Kia and other manufacturers on new models are bringing back buttons.
Mercedes: it is never to late to admit a mistake and re-introduce buttons: no reason to try to "reinvent the wheel."
Just my $.02
We understand that a coding, when you use the screen, is much, much cheaper than buttons and under Elon Musk, he tried to convince us that it is better: see Hans Christin Andersen's "The Emperor new Clothes"
I have been reading that VW, Hyundai and Kia and other manufacturers on new models are bringing back buttons.
Mercedes: it is never to late to admit a mistake and re-introduce buttons: no reason to try to "reinvent the wheel."
Just my $.02
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Two features they took away for the MB E-Class are the double visors and the button to lower the rear head rests. My 2012 E had both features. The remote button to lower the rear head rests is not too big of a deal, but the missing dual sun visor is a something I used all the time.
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Sorry, I don't have a list, and I looked on the Volvo forum (swedespeed.com and didn't find one discussion item that gives one). Mine was a V90CC Ocean Race and the OR came with a bunch of special items (such as V90 Sport seats. They are only available on the V90 and not the V90CC). The drive mode select control is gone. Supposedly you have to go into the touch screen to change and it cannot be changed when driving. The trunk mounted rear seat back control is deleted. The latch is on the rear seat seat back. If something pops up on their forum I'll add it here.
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I agree that some things are more difficult than with more traditional, but disagree that it's hard to operate the various functions. Cruse control is quite easy, but different than my W212 was with a stalk. Just press a button on the wheel to turn the system on and press another to set the speed. Then just an easy swipe to go up/down 1mph or press a button to go up/down by 5mph.
Changing music is a little more involved but I don't think it's much more than with traditional buttons. You still have to read the screen to know what you are about to select. It's actually quite easy to ask the car to select what you want. The volume is not hard once you get the hang of it. I mostly use the steering wheel, but have no issues using both. I do wish the changes were more granular, especially in the lower volume settings.
From what I am reading, you cannot do that with the touch screen: you must be careful and pay attention. Any attention given the touch screen, is attention taken from driving:
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I agree that some things are more difficult than with more traditional, but disagree that it's hard to operate the various functions. Cruse control is quite easy, but different than my W212 was with a stalk. Just press a button on the wheel to turn the system on and press another to set the speed. Then just an easy swipe to go up/down 1mph or press a button to go up/down by 5mph. Quite easy IMO. To turn on/off the active steering while in cruse, just hit the vehicle button and then tap the active steering icon. Not something I change often, but I can quickly change it without taking my eye off the road more than 1 second. Changing music is a little more involved but I don't think it's much more than with traditional buttons. You still have to read the screen to know what you are about to select. It's actually quite easy to ask the car to select what you want. The volume is not hard once you get the hang of it. I mostly use the steering wheel, but have no issues using both. I do wish the changes were more granular, especially in the lower volume settings.
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Thankfully, MB is bringing back some buttons as they too admit just screens are not luxury. https://www.jalopnik.com/1800342/scr...ate-interiors/
"I know you want your knobs and buttons, but that's just not what you're going to find in flagship Mercedes vehicles."
Read More: https://www.jalopnik.com/1800342/scr...ate-interiors/
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The handling, power, ride quality is pretty special and I felt that before we even left the dealer's parking lot (and unlike one contributor, I love the sound of the inline six--though I was coming out of a 4 cylinder .). The seats are much better than on the 2019 CLS 450 I leased, though they're not the best in town. Headlights are a disappointment, especially hi-beams, for us older folks developing cataracts. My SL's are much better. You do need to drive the car, though and see how easy it isn't to set the cruise control, adjust radio volume, change a radio station, adjust climate. I've learned that I need to predetermine if I want to listen to a radio station and at what volume, and adjust the climate, and anything else you might change your mind on while driving, before leaving the driveway because finding the right spot to press isn't that easy on the road--and especially annoying, the screen goes back to Home view too quickly. For example, adjusting volume. The small slider on the steering wheel just doesn't work for me. I either get full volume or mute when I try to adjust. So I use the larger slider under the info screen. The process is as follows: Take you eyes off the road to find the right spot. Press to have the larger volume slider appear on the info screen. Look back onto the road to avoid the oncoming truck. Look back to the info screen, only to see it already went back to the Home Screen. Repeat the process until you get so frustrated that you hit the mute button. If you always drive with a copilot then no problem.
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But from the article:
"I know you want your knobs and buttons, but that's just not what you're going to find in flagship Mercedes vehicles."
Read More: https://www.jalopnik.com/1800342/scr...ate-interiors/
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Plus driver's ability to turn on passenger's heated seats.
BTW, how do you now raise the headrest?
The warranty on my 2019 E450 runs out this year and I was in my local Mercedes dealership and spent time in the new E class. From my point of view, I think the dash with the polished walnut and the integration of the screen in my car is classier than the two screens that seem to be pasted onto the dash. Seat wise not much difference. Rear seats felt similar with the seats in the new one slightly more legroom and the trunk a bit bigger. There are no additional safety features on the 2025 that I do not already have on my car. The auto start because of the 48 volt battery in the 2025 is much, much smoother. (I personally like auto/stop start because of the fuel it saves and the reduction on pollution, although I realize that many do not). Pop out door handles I think is a gimmick and an answer to a question no one asked and in the cold, they will freeze. So to me this is a step backward.
I am avoiding driving one because from all I have read, and all I have seen posted, the new E450's ride and quietness is leaps ahead of my car with almost 55,000 miles on it. I am afraid that if I drive a new 2025 E450 I will want it!
BTW, how do you now raise the headrest?
The warranty on my 2019 E450 runs out this year and I was in my local Mercedes dealership and spent time in the new E class. From my point of view, I think the dash with the polished walnut and the integration of the screen in my car is classier than the two screens that seem to be pasted onto the dash. Seat wise not much difference. Rear seats felt similar with the seats in the new one slightly more legroom and the trunk a bit bigger. There are no additional safety features on the 2025 that I do not already have on my car. The auto start because of the 48 volt battery in the 2025 is much, much smoother. (I personally like auto/stop start because of the fuel it saves and the reduction on pollution, although I realize that many do not). Pop out door handles I think is a gimmick and an answer to a question no one asked and in the cold, they will freeze. So to me this is a step backward.
I am avoiding driving one because from all I have read, and all I have seen posted, the new E450's ride and quietness is leaps ahead of my car with almost 55,000 miles on it. I am afraid that if I drive a new 2025 E450 I will want it!
I agree that the wood dash lookes classier than the screens, but do not agree with your inference that they are pasted into the dash. They are well integrated and look great IMO and do not at all look cheep.
The auto start/stop is smoother due to the ISG and the 48V electric motor. Not the 48V battery, however that does power the system responsible for the smoothness.
The pop out handles are indeed not necessary but I've had the car in single digits and have not had them freeze and not pop out. I do like them, but could live without them. It is kind of cool to have them pop out as you approach the car, and is kind of like an acknowledgement that the car recognizes your key.
Your older car may have all the same safety features but it's likely not as advanced and therefore not as effective as the newer model. Still, not going to be a giant leap in 5-6 years.
The car does drive very nice and is noticeably better than the W212 I drove for 10 years. I wouldn't characterize it as leaps ahead. I only bought a new model because I totaled my W212. I would have kept it another 5 years before buying a new one otherwise.
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I'm using my iPhone which is linked to MBUX. But speaking of using the phone, another thing I didn't like is after making a call to someone in my contact list, I got an icon on the center screen that said who I called and that stayed on the screen for days. Couldn't figure out how to delete it. And I thought great: Imagine you're married and you have you mistress's phone in you contact list, and you call her in the car. The next day your wife gets in the car and sees that you called someone named Samantha.....
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I'm using my iPhone which is linked to MBUX. But speaking of using the phone, another thing I didn't like is after making a call to someone in my contact list, I got an icon on the center screen that said who I called and that stayed on the screen for days. Couldn't figure out how to delete it. And I thought great: Imagine you're married and you have you mistress's phone in you contact list, and you call her in the car. The next day your wife gets in the car and sees that you called someone named Samantha.....
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Makes sense, I was hoping there was a detailed user guide to the tricks of using MBUX. I guess the touch screen has a tablet-like or mobile-like UI which would come naturally to a tablet user - I will approach it that way in the future.
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That’s the problem. The user manual is practically useless. Unless you have all day to scroll through dozens of scattered menus, you can’t figure out how to do anything.
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I tried removing the iPhone icon and it also removed the radio station icon as well. Only fiddled with it for 5 minutes or so but couldn't just delete the iPhone. Went into suggestions and that didn't offer me anything, other than totally changing the Home Screen, which I didn't want to do.
On the Nannie front, anyone know what the car looks at when signaling that your hands are off the steering wheel. I thought it was the moving of the steering wheel, so something sensing the steering shaft perhaps. But yesterday, in Cruise, I was getting repeated red steering wheel icons. The road was fairly straight and jiggling the wheel would make it disappear but only briefly. I was driving with my normal winter gloves on. Took the gloves off and no more steering warnings. Are there some kind of touch sensors in the rim of the wheel??
On the Nannie front, anyone know what the car looks at when signaling that your hands are off the steering wheel. I thought it was the moving of the steering wheel, so something sensing the steering shaft perhaps. But yesterday, in Cruise, I was getting repeated red steering wheel icons. The road was fairly straight and jiggling the wheel would make it disappear but only briefly. I was driving with my normal winter gloves on. Took the gloves off and no more steering warnings. Are there some kind of touch sensors in the rim of the wheel??
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I tried removing the iPhone icon and it also removed the radio station icon as well. Only fiddled with it for 5 minutes or so but couldn't just delete the iPhone. Went into suggestions and that didn't offer me anything, other than totally changing the Home Screen, which I didn't want to do.
On the Nannie front, anyone know what the car looks at when signaling that your hands are off the steering wheel. I thought it was the moving of the steering wheel, so something sensing the steering shaft perhaps. But yesterday, in Cruise, I was getting repeated red steering wheel icons. The road was fairly straight and jiggling the wheel would make it disappear but only briefly. I was driving with my normal winter gloves on. Took the gloves off and no more steering warnings. Are there some kind of touch sensors in the rim of the wheel??
On the Nannie front, anyone know what the car looks at when signaling that your hands are off the steering wheel. I thought it was the moving of the steering wheel, so something sensing the steering shaft perhaps. But yesterday, in Cruise, I was getting repeated red steering wheel icons. The road was fairly straight and jiggling the wheel would make it disappear but only briefly. I was driving with my normal winter gloves on. Took the gloves off and no more steering warnings. Are there some kind of touch sensors in the rim of the wheel??
