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Jack,
I don't get this explanation from MB. I suspect there maybe other issues like a potential block in the induction system or other issues with the variable geometry turbo system. My understanding is that the variable geometry turbo system adjusts the pressure to engine speed. Is it possible that this unit is malfunctioning on your car?
If it was the hose, I can't imagine why no other car has the same problem, if it is a design flaw. These engines have been out for a while.
I just don't buy the hose explanation. I think it has to do with the variable geometry turbo appling more pressue than it should be for the engine speed.
I don't get this explanation from MB. I suspect there maybe other issues like a potential block in the induction system or other issues with the variable geometry turbo system. My understanding is that the variable geometry turbo system adjusts the pressure to engine speed. Is it possible that this unit is malfunctioning on your car?
If it was the hose, I can't imagine why no other car has the same problem, if it is a design flaw. These engines have been out for a while.
I just don't buy the hose explanation. I think it has to do with the variable geometry turbo appling more pressue than it should be for the engine speed.
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Jack,
I don't get this explanation from MB. I suspect there maybe other issues like a potential block in the induction system or other issues with the variable geometry turbo system. My understanding is that the variable geometry turbo system adjusts the pressure to engine speed. Is it possible that this unit is malfunctioning on your car?
If it was the hose, I can't imagine why no other car has the same problem, if it is a design flaw. These engines have been out for a while.
I just don't buy the hose explanation. I think it has to do with the variable geometry turbo appling more pressue than it should be for the engine speed.
I don't get this explanation from MB. I suspect there maybe other issues like a potential block in the induction system or other issues with the variable geometry turbo system. My understanding is that the variable geometry turbo system adjusts the pressure to engine speed. Is it possible that this unit is malfunctioning on your car?
If it was the hose, I can't imagine why no other car has the same problem, if it is a design flaw. These engines have been out for a while.
I just don't buy the hose explanation. I think it has to do with the variable geometry turbo appling more pressue than it should be for the engine speed.
I have no knowledge of the technical aspects of this engine but since there have been a host of engineers working on the problem it appears that the hose is the problem. I certainly hope so and that is is not something more sinister going on in the engine. The engine has been running too long to have a fatal flaw in my estimation.
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There are now 5 known vehicles with this condition. The problem is the hose is too short and therefore crimps when it is connected at the other end which causes a narrow passage.
I'll have photos of all three hoses soon. My dealer has been directed to notify me when the new one arrives so that I can take some photos of all. They are very accommodating.
I'll have photos of all three hoses soon. My dealer has been directed to notify me when the new one arrives so that I can take some photos of all. They are very accommodating.
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I am not suggesting that there is a major flaw in the engine design. I was only wondering if there was an issue with the turbo in jack's car and the other cars. A flaw in hose should surface more often than just in a couple of cars.
Anyway as long as MB is taking care of it, guess it will be fine.
Anyway as long as MB is taking care of it, guess it will be fine.
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I am not suggesting that there is a major flaw in the engine design. I was only wondering if there was an issue with the turbo in jack's car and the other cars. A flaw in hose should surface more often than just in a couple of cars.
Anyway as long as MB is taking care of it, guess it will be fine.
Anyway as long as MB is taking care of it, guess it will be fine.
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Well she is back home now! I've attached a photo of the original hose (bottom) and the interim hose (top) that were used. The new and hopefully final hose is identical and not actually longer as previously reported. However, it is made of a slightly different material that is hard to detect with the naked eye or so I'm told.
So its like I've just taken delivery for the first time! Smooth roads ahead (I hope)!
So its like I've just taken delivery for the first time! Smooth roads ahead (I hope)!
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Well she is back home now! I've attached a photo of the original hose (bottom) and the interim hose (top) that were used. The new and hopefully final hose is identical and not actually longer as previously reported. However, it is made of a slightly different material that is hard to detect with the naked eye or so I'm told.
So its like I've just taken delivery for the first time! Smooth roads ahead (I hope)!
So its like I've just taken delivery for the first time! Smooth roads ahead (I hope)!
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When they called me this morning to say it had arrived I was unable to get there to take photos and inspect so I gave them the go ahead to install b/c they told me it looked nearly identical.
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So AS, how do you feel about this? Confident, or are you concerned to try a run over to NO to check? I'd be skiddish, but hopeful.
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Well, despite what i know was a crappy ordeal for you, Jack, especially on a new vehicle, I am REALLY impressed with MB's response time on this-to have a newly designed part in the field within +/- one week means that they are taking things seriously on this vehicle.
Good luck for totally trouble-free roads ahead.
Good luck for totally trouble-free roads ahead.
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Well, despite what i know was a crappy ordeal for you, Jack, especially on a new vehicle, I am REALLY impressed with MB's response time on this-to have a newly designed part in the field within +/- one week means that they are taking things seriously on this vehicle.
Good luck for totally trouble-free roads ahead.
Good luck for totally trouble-free roads ahead.
Have a great trouble free weekend!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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Because it's not a gimmick
Now, if my GL320 has something more than a loose intercooler hose tomorrow, I'll let you guys know! Where do I find the production date on the car, on the door plate?
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Because it doesn't say "Hybrid" on it, so nobody believes the US market (where hybrids are almost universally useless) will purchase it. I have visited friends in Europe and I cannot understand why we don't universally require modern common-rail diesels here. Now with the new US emissions junk, we're making it even harder! I've got a nieghbor with a Ford F350 that he wakes the nieghborhood up with every morning. It's like 5.3 on the Richter scale.
Now, if my GL320 has something more than a loose intercooler hose tomorrow, I'll let you guys know! Where do I find the production date on the car, on the door plate?
Your dealership should be aware of this problem and should be able to fix it with the new hose and proper clamping. Let us know the outcome.
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Sorry to hear you are involved with the "intercooler hose problem." The build date is on a plate on the drivers door and that would be informative.
Your dealership should be aware of this problem and should be able to fix it with the new hose and proper clamping. Let us know the outcome.
Your dealership should be aware of this problem and should be able to fix it with the new hose and proper clamping. Let us know the outcome.
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Too bad MB did not notify all dealers to perform the hose update to all in stock GL's prior to sale...
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First hill climb a sad one ...
This is NOT how I wanted her first off-highway hill climb to look! This was yesterday, I'm still waiting to hear from my Service Advisor today.
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PS That weird oil-looking stuff, my wife said someone was blowing out of the back of a pickup truck on I-40 and pulled in front of her. Hopefully they'll wash it off, or I'll have to. The loaner car, C230, was dirty outside and the windows hadn't been properly cleaned. No way to treat an MB!
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PS That weird oil-looking stuff, my wife said someone was blowing out of the back of a pickup truck on I-40 and pulled in front of her. Hopefully they'll wash it off, or I'll have to. The loaner car, C230, was dirty outside and the windows hadn't been properly cleaned. No way to treat an MB!
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The saga continues ...
For those who've not read carpersn's message on the CDI hose problem, after picking my GL at the dealership, stopping to get some Honey Bear's BBQ for lunch (http://www.honeybearsbbq.com/) and accelerating to get back on the highway, this time it was me driving when the hose came off and I both felt and heard it. All I can say is, thank goodness for the paddle shifters because the auto tranny was NOT getting the information it needed to shift properly. My experience with a manual turbo diesel in the UK told me when to shift, but without the turbo I had to avoid any inclines.
Five working days to get it from Deutchland, as there aren't any here. It had better work this time.
Five working days to get it from Deutchland, as there aren't any here. It had better work this time.
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For those who've not read carpersn's message on the CDI hose problem, after picking my GL at the dealership, stopping to get some Honey Bear's BBQ for lunch (http://www.honeybearsbbq.com/) and accelerating to get back on the highway, this time it was me driving when the hose came off and I both felt and heard it. All I can say is, thank goodness for the paddle shifters because the auto tranny was NOT getting the information it needed to shift properly. My experience with a manual turbo diesel in the UK told me when to shift, but without the turbo I had to avoid any inclines.
Five working days to get it from Deutchland, as there aren't any here. It had better work this time.
Five working days to get it from Deutchland, as there aren't any here. It had better work this time.
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MBUSI should have someone reading these forums regularly!
