CLS55 vs 06 Z06
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Originally Posted by RennTechV12
I'm arrogant because I had a C6 and I disagree with you? OK? All I did was quote you.
I'm telling you what I know from real world experience, not what I read in some magazine or on the internet.
You could have bought mine, I was all too happy to get rid of it.
What do you know about me? Why do you Vette guys always have to get personal? This is a CAR forum, all I have talked about is CARS, nothing else. You think you are the only one who earns a living? Can we stick to the topic at hand (CARS)? Sounds like you've got some issues Ricky.
I'm telling you what I know from real world experience, not what I read in some magazine or on the internet.
You could have bought mine, I was all too happy to get rid of it.
What do you know about me? Why do you Vette guys always have to get personal? This is a CAR forum, all I have talked about is CARS, nothing else. You think you are the only one who earns a living? Can we stick to the topic at hand (CARS)? Sounds like you've got some issues Ricky.
And YES you are a trust fund baby, or daddys little boy, If you were really EARNING all this money for these great cars yourself you wouldn't have all this time on your hands to go on the internet and spew...
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Originally Posted by thericker55
And YES you are a trust fund baby, or daddys little boy, If you were really EARNING all this money for these great cars yourself you wouldn't have all this time on your hands to go on the internet and spew...
Sounds like you've got some issues Ricky
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Originally Posted by RennTechV12
You mean like you?
Sounds like you've got some issues Ricky
Sounds like you've got some issues Ricky
Well it's been a blast but I have to get back to WORK unlike some people Lunch time is over 
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Originally Posted by RennTechV12
Speaking of stupid horsepower, I've got a buddy with a twin turbo viper that put down 1200hp to the rear wheels before it shut the dyno down. I raced him this weekend, he ran a 10.80@149, that's things a Veyron Killer!!! 
Although it maybe an amazing car, how drivable is the 1200TT Viper?Also if you're up for it, I'm sure someone could make a ECU upgrade that could easily increase the Veyrons HP 100-150 even tough the VW Engineers say that it's stretched to its limits in the terms of daily drivability. They say that the transmission will last for 10-20 years
Which isn't surprising when you probably take into account how much they will be driven and how hard they will be driven, most of them will probably sit somewhere in California's great traffic In anycase I'm really looking forward to the event at Homestead next month
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No mods for C6? No mods for C6Z? Come on guys, you guys are a bit behind. :p
http://www.horsepowerengineering.com/media/ZO6.wmv
right click, save as. enjoy.
http://www.horsepowerengineering.com/media/ZO6.wmv
right click, save as. enjoy.
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Originally Posted by NOTKTS
I've seen reports of 10.3 @ 151 Although it maybe an amazing car, how drivable is the 1200TT Viper?
Also if you're up for it, I'm sure someone could make a ECU upgrade that could easily increase the Veyrons HP 100-150 even tough the VW Engineers say that it's stretched to its limits in the terms of daily drivability. They say that the transmission will last for 10-20 years Which isn't surprising when you probably take into account how much they will be driven and how hard they will be driven, most of them will probably sit somewhere in California's great traffic
In anycase I'm really looking forward to the event at Homestead next month
Although it maybe an amazing car, how drivable is the 1200TT Viper?Also if you're up for it, I'm sure someone could make a ECU upgrade that could easily increase the Veyrons HP 100-150 even tough the VW Engineers say that it's stretched to its limits in the terms of daily drivability. They say that the transmission will last for 10-20 years
Which isn't surprising when you probably take into account how much they will be driven and how hard they will be driven, most of them will probably sit somewhere in California's great traffic In anycase I'm really looking forward to the event at Homestead next month
I bet they could get more than that out of the Veyron with 4 turbos.
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Originally Posted by newton22
No mods for C6? No mods for C6Z? Come on guys, you guys are a bit behind. :p
http://www.horsepowerengineering.com/media/ZO6.wmv
right click, save as. enjoy.
http://www.horsepowerengineering.com/media/ZO6.wmv
right click, save as. enjoy.
Thanks for sharing....
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Originally Posted by thericker55
Is that all you can say?? You keep repeating yourself Well it's been a blast but I have to get back to WORK unlike some people Lunch time is over
Well it's been a blast but I have to get back to WORK unlike some people Lunch time is over Holy crap.....you can only post during lunch time. I post all day long at work. Time to quit dude!
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Originally Posted by Stiggs
Holy crap.....you can only post during lunch time. I post all day long at work. Time to quit dude!
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I own my own business/I can, do post whenever/But try to keep it within some organized confines.
i agree, u can easily get carried away with this ****
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First of all, the C6 has an LS2 motor that is almost the same as the C5. Many of the parts are interchangable. The LS2 edit is available which means a good tuner can pull 15 to 2hp just on a good tune. Telling people a C6 is a pos is immature.
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Originally Posted by jak112460
First of all, the C6 has an LS2 motor that is almost the same as the C5. Many of the parts are interchangable. The LS2 edit is available which means a good tuner can pull 15 to 2hp just on a good tune. Telling people a C6 is a pos is immature.
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Originally Posted by jak112460
Telling people a C6 is a pos is immature.
Looks like the "pos" C6Z gave the Gallardo a run for it's money!
C6 Z06 vs Gallardo (w/Tubi)
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Z06 is fast, but the aftermarket will be restricted, and I'll tell you why. STOCK, the motor's internals are maxed out. The Vette's engine is bored out to 7.0 Litres and there is not much room at all left for increasing the displacement. (Earlier Vette's came stock with lower displacement and could be bored out.) The only huge power adder (legitimate) I have seen so far is the Lingenfelter Twin Turbo Upgrade which costs roughly $46K. Displacement itself has always been more power at the basics (think 5.4 AMG V8S 493 hp and 6.3 AMG V8 NA 510...20 more hp w/o kompressor).
Now, back to this race (just wanted to bring up the engine fact), these are two entirely different cars. Yes, the CLS is 1100 lbs heavier. Is that not what is impressive here? A full weight 4 door car staying with and passing a 2 dr 500 hp sports car.
Now, will you all just appreciate both cars. Also, stop telling people that their win was a fluke. Cmon man, the guy was playin some games with a Z06, and both of their intentions were to have a lil fun.
Now, back to this race (just wanted to bring up the engine fact), these are two entirely different cars. Yes, the CLS is 1100 lbs heavier. Is that not what is impressive here? A full weight 4 door car staying with and passing a 2 dr 500 hp sports car.
Now, will you all just appreciate both cars. Also, stop telling people that their win was a fluke. Cmon man, the guy was playin some games with a Z06, and both of their intentions were to have a lil fun.
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What your not looking is the torque numbers, the c6 z06 has 475 Lb Ft while the cls 55 has 517 lb-ft of torque, and seeing that he has a K1 mod, he has even more. Like the saying goes horsepower sells cars, torque wins races..
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Originally Posted by HLG600
Z06 is fast, but the aftermarket will be restricted, and I'll tell you why. STOCK, the motor's internals are maxed out. The Vette's engine is bored out to 7.0 Litres and there is not much room at all left for increasing the displacement. (Earlier Vette's came stock with lower displacement and could be bored out.) The only huge power adder (legitimate) I have seen so far is the Lingenfelter Twin Turbo Upgrade which costs roughly $46K. Displacement itself has always been more power at the basics (think 5.4 AMG V8S 493 hp and 6.3 AMG V8 NA 510...20 more hp w/o kompressor).
Now, back to this race (just wanted to bring up the engine fact), these are two entirely different cars. Yes, the CLS is 1100 lbs heavier. Is that not what is impressive here? A full weight 4 door car staying with and passing a 2 dr 500 hp sports car.
Now, will you all just appreciate both cars. Also, stop telling people that their win was a fluke. Cmon man, the guy was playin some games with a Z06, and both of their intentions were to have a lil fun.
Now, back to this race (just wanted to bring up the engine fact), these are two entirely different cars. Yes, the CLS is 1100 lbs heavier. Is that not what is impressive here? A full weight 4 door car staying with and passing a 2 dr 500 hp sports car.
Now, will you all just appreciate both cars. Also, stop telling people that their win was a fluke. Cmon man, the guy was playin some games with a Z06, and both of their intentions were to have a lil fun.
First of all the LS7 is not maxed out. It's cast with that bore diameter. Guys are taking LS1,5.7 liter engines, and re sleeving them to 450+ cubic inches. These engines have sleeves and there is only so much "boring" you can do before installing bigger sleeves. Everyone is using larger sleeves. Many guys are using the C5R block that is already cast with a 4.125 bore to get 427 cubic inches.Just think what you could do with a engine that has not been re sleeved and is already cast with a 4.125 bore. I can see guys doing 500 cubic inches at some point. A single blower is going to get that motor solidly into the mid 600 hp range at the wheels. My 2003 ZO6 with a 427 stroker motor is over 640 with 10 pounds of boost. Lingenfelter is not the only "legitimate" tuner out there. Also, for the $46,000 you mentioned, what are you getting? That ZO6 totally blew away that Lambo using a pushrod V8.
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At the SEMA show, ERL displayed their 500 ci stroker; 4.500" stroke - 4.205" bore...no need for supercharger at this displacement. I predict with LT headers, a mild cam & heads: 650-700rwhp and probably close to the same in tq, not bad for a N/A engine.
A LS7 with LT headers & cam w/CATS and no PCM tuning are pushing 547/506 respectively at the rollers, that's a significant increase with just bolt-ons...this is borderline excessive for street use.
I would be more impressed if a CLS could stay with the C6Z on the twisties, or on the track for that matter.
jak112460 - Sounds like you got a wicked Z06 What blower are you running?
A LS7 with LT headers & cam w/CATS and no PCM tuning are pushing 547/506 respectively at the rollers, that's a significant increase with just bolt-ons...this is borderline excessive for street use.
I would be more impressed if a CLS could stay with the C6Z on the twisties, or on the track for that matter.
jak112460 - Sounds like you got a wicked Z06
What blower are you running?
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Originally Posted by Richard023
At the SEMA show, ERL displayed their 500 ci stroker; 4.500" stroke - 4.205" bore...no need for supercharger at this displacement. I predict with LT headers, a mild cam & heads: 650-700rwhp and probably close to the same in tq, not bad for a N/A engine.
A LS7 with LT headers & cam w/CATS and no PCM tuning are pushing 547/506 respectively at the rollers, that's a significant increase with just bolt-ons...this is borderline excessive for street use.
I would be more impressed if a CLS could stay with the C6Z on the twisties, or on the track for that matter.
jak112460 - Sounds like you got a wicked Z06 What blower are you running?
A LS7 with LT headers & cam w/CATS and no PCM tuning are pushing 547/506 respectively at the rollers, that's a significant increase with just bolt-ons...this is borderline excessive for street use.
I would be more impressed if a CLS could stay with the C6Z on the twisties, or on the track for that matter.
jak112460 - Sounds like you got a wicked Z06
What blower are you running?Vortech T trim.
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Originally Posted by Militant-Grunt
What your not looking is the torque numbers, the c6 z06 has 475 Lb Ft while the cls 55 has 517 lb-ft of torque, and seeing that he has a K1 mod, he has even more. Like the saying goes horsepower sells cars, torque wins races..
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Originally Posted by Vomit
Case in point the CTS-V and CLS55 comparison in this month's MT (or was it C&D). Identical HP and near identical weight and gearing. However, the CLS has 80 more pounds of torque, and pretty much walks away from the CTS-V.
Wrt the STS-V (not CTS-V, vomit
) in the comparo, while it's rated at 469 horsepower, it would seem that, based upon its trap speed, it's not producing nearly that much. With a *true* 469 horsepower, its calculated trap speed is about 111-112 mph (this is using a curb weight of 4200 pounds w/180 pounds of driver + test equip), but as I recall it trapped at 108 or so, which would mean it's actually producing around 430 at the crank.
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Originally Posted by jak112460
First of all the LS7 is not maxed out. It's cast with that bore diameter. Guys are taking LS1,5.7 liter engines, and re sleeving them to 450+ cubic inches. These engines have sleeves and there is only so much "boring" you can do before installing bigger sleeves. Everyone is using larger sleeves. Many guys are using the C5R block that is already cast with a 4.125 bore to get 427 cubic inches.Just think what you could do with a engine that has not been re sleeved and is already cast with a 4.125 bore. I can see guys doing 500 cubic inches at some point. A single blower is going to get that motor solidly into the mid 600 hp range at the wheels. My 2003 ZO6 with a 427 stroker motor is over 640 with 10 pounds of boost. Lingenfelter is not the only "legitimate" tuner out there. Also, for the $46,000 you mentioned, what are you getting? That ZO6 totally blew away that Lambo using a pushrod V8.
However, I can't argue the value of the Z06. The price for that kind of performance is excellent. But the engine, although powerful, cannot be bored out even further.Regards
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Originally Posted by HLG600
I'm sorry, but you are wrong, the engine in the new Z06 cannot be bored out any further. I called Lingenfelter Engineering myself to confirm my initial statement, and they agreed with me....My comment was based solely on the C6 Z06 7.0 Litre V8 engine....However, I can't argue the value of the Z06. The price for that kind of performance is excellent. But the engine, although powerful, cannot be bored out even further.
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Originally Posted by Richard023
At the SEMA show, ERL displayed their 500 ci stroker; 4.500" stroke - 4.205" bore...no need for supercharger at this displacement. I predict with LT headers, a mild cam & heads: 650-700rwhp and probably close to the same in tq, not bad for a N/A engine.
A LS7 with LT headers & cam w/CATS and no PCM tuning are pushing 547/506 respectively at the rollers, that's a significant increase with just bolt-ons...this is borderline excessive for street use.
I would be more impressed if a CLS could stay with the C6Z on the twisties, or on the track for that matter.
jak112460 - Sounds like you got a wicked Z06 What blower are you running?
A LS7 with LT headers & cam w/CATS and no PCM tuning are pushing 547/506 respectively at the rollers, that's a significant increase with just bolt-ons...this is borderline excessive for street use.
I would be more impressed if a CLS could stay with the C6Z on the twisties, or on the track for that matter.
jak112460 - Sounds like you got a wicked Z06
What blower are you running?Agreed! Several tuners have now come up with headers, cams, and very soon ECU tuning that will push these car close to 600 rwhp and well over 500 rwtq. This latest Z06 with very simple bolt-ons makes it a Monster and it costs not much more then $5K.
I spend close to $15K on my Kleemann and would never appproach those Z06 numbers.
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Originally Posted by 04E55 AMG
I spend close to $15K on my Kleemann and would never appproach those Z06 numbers.
