Yacht Master

therickter,
Is this your homey?

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/191844-looking-e55k-test-car.html

Thericker

Naa bro! go look at the thread on Benzdump, me and the modz are kool, Omey cried and tattled on me for harrasing his fake stories, I challenged the mods decision, and even have the PM, where the mod agrees to re-post it, I declined, the only deciding factor was I had to remove (2) funny Ownage pictures I found off the web, (1) w/peasant hurtling little rocks at a giant tank aiming the tanks gun barrel right down his throat, the other pic' where 2 dorks working for the city/school, were painting the street outside the school, or street near school, they misspelled the word school to "shcool" no biggie, everything I said, or wrote was to remain. hell I'll post it here just for you Omey luvur lol...If I missunderstood your post sorry...
Those are all of the back & forth pm's no big deal. Yes I'm TheDiesel @Boringworld lol...

mbenzman

Omey's best performance mods are adding toluene to his tank and using several cans of "Seafoam" in his intake. Maybe we're missing Seafoams magical qualities.
His previous car was a W140 s320 rebadged S32 ///AMG. He called it "The world's fastest S320" but never dynoed his big claims for h.p..
He also had an alchohol and q-tip cleaned "AMG C36" mass air meter for sale here before being banned. He has no credibility in my eyes.

This should be his slogan "Seafoam cleaner is like a sore dick - you just can't beat it!!!"

Thericker

Yes you know Homey da' klown! Good stuff man

Carl Lassiter

Nice detective work, Shaun. Hope your car and the young filly are both running well

My gal has been acting weird so I decided to enjoy the single life over the weekend. Every girl here you think may have a bf never does. Gotta love this city.

ProjectC55

Which one is faster? The 6.0l GTO OR the C5 Z06? Those modded C6's at Captree sure had a difficult time ever catching up to my C43. You can ask Sleeper X. Actually ,they never caught up.

Thericker

C5 Z06's faster than the gto's, modded C6's will eat you alive, they just have massive traction problems, still kool as hell though if you were beating them

ProjectC55

This was from a roll. Grant it I had a person(female) in my car and a 1 car start. He could not pull me back!! This was also while they were trying in vain to catch SleeperX. All of us(me and other three corvette's) took off behind Sleeper X and the white modded C6 ZO6 that were pulling away from myself and the other 3 Vettes.

Thericker

I loose traction badly at 70+mph when stomping on throttle at a roll that's w/19x12 345 meats I'm lightly modded it happens, traction is the hardest thing to achieve w/these lightweights...

ProjectC55

To all thre at the same time you're trying to say! NOPE! Depends on the driver I would say. We all ran several times. There were alot of members there as well.

PS Let Sleeper X tell you how my car runs

Thericker

Oh ok.. your car is running low 12's now then? cause modded C6 have NO prob achieving low 12's high 11's....trust me you wouldn't don't know how hard it is to find traction especially modded? comparing most likely M6 trans equiped C6 vehicles, they vary so widely hardly ever driven to there limit or peak perf.

I think your getting Omey Homey syndrome? go to your nearest therapist

I run my bro Mario in his 210 E55 410+rwhp w/supercharger + Auquamist exhaust 2.82 gears etc.. 3680lbs I pull 8+ lengths on him now...from any roll, or dig..

----C6 has NO headers, No hi flo cats, NO X pipe...just CAI & cat-back TM removal---

C43 is 3450lbs + at least 50lbs for your 5.5 transplant, + lady friend say 120lbs(being nice, she could be a whaler ) =3620lbs w/310rwhp ahhh NO aint happenin Homey....

60lb difference and 100+ LESS rwhp Trust me driver stupidity on m6, + traction ='s your results nothing else take it for what it was a good day in your C43 nothing else.

Improviz

...because if it were putting out a *true* 410 rwhp, you shouldn't be putting eight lengths on him.

You ran an E55k, which dyno routinely about 430 rwhp, three times. You lost, three times. And E55ks weigh in at about 400 pounds more than the 3680 that you stated Mario's car weighs, while only putting down about 20 more rwhp than Mario's supposed 410.

E55k = 4100 pounds/430 rwhp = 9.53 lb/rwhp

Mario's supposed 410 rwhp E55 = 3700 pounds/410 rwhp = 9.02 pounds/rwhp, which would be better than the E55k.

So if Mario's car were truly putting out 410, he'd be pulling harder than an E55k due to his lower weight, and should have beaten you, not the other way around. Either that, or something went drastically wrong on that car after he got it dynoed.

Thericker

Ahhh let me help you w/that....it's called w211 E55k TORQUE MY good ole buddy! they have on average 460-490 rwto STOCK Mario is at 410-420 rwto
leaving a 40-70rwto advantage to the w211


Also in (2) of my races w/Vadim I was damn close 1 within 2 lengths all the way up to 140+ the other by only 3/4 of a length from 40-140

And not to beat a dead horse but when I ran Mario I had plenty of traction we ran in the day time, and tires had more tread, I lost a ****load of traction on nearly every run w/Vadim he noted this as well.

If you doubt marios dyno? I can ask him to re-post it here? he's already done so quite a few times..

Edit: After I had a tuner remove TM I noticed the car was way quicker especially between shifts, TM reduces total available hp-torque between shifts or stomping on throttle, this was the only change before I had this done I was only pulling 3+ cars on him, It's retarded at 3/4 throttle shifting from 2nd to 3rd manually on the frwy 70mph at night on cold roads, the car turns into a fish outta water sliding around! scared the ****e outta me the 1st few times.



BTW...I got the w210 curb weight from Autotrader.com

Improviz

Yeah, but rwtq is only part of the picture: there's weight. And if Mario's car weighs in at 3700, he should easily be the equal of a 211 even if his torque is 410/460 (89%) or 420/490 (86%) of an E55k's, because his weight is 3700/4100 = 90% of the 211's.

So even if he does have a full 10% reduction in rwtq, it should be offset by the 10% reduction in weight.

I wasn't aware of any stock E55's hitting 490 rwtq. Here's Fikse's dyno plot:
http://www.dragtimes.com/2005-Merced...aphs-7808.html

He has one of the fastes stockers...ran a 12.07 @ 116.3, bone stock.

Torque hits 450-ish, 460 peak, drops off...typical FI torque curve. Horsepower peaks at 419 at about 5700 rpm.

As with all torque curves, hp and torque are equal at 5252 rpm thanks to the equation defining torque: hp = torque*rpm/5252 .

So Fikse's car would, at 5700 rpm, be producing 419*5252/5700 = 386 ft-lbs.

Mario's, which I would think peaked at the same rpm (given that it's got the same rated horsepower peak rpm as the 211 if memory serves) would be getting 410*5252/5700 = 378 ft-lbs. It would also be producing about 500 crank, using an 18% driveline loss (about the same as an E55k, same tranny, etc.).

So, if his car does weight 3700 pounds, it still has a better hp/weight ratio than a stock 211.

I'm not disputing that his dyno exists, or what it says, or your runs with him, but I would call into question the accuracy of that dyno given the results: with his weight and that rwhp (and that rwtq), the results should have been comparable to the E55k--in any case, you shouldn't be putting eight lengths on him, because his hp/weight ratio would be pretty close to yours: you dynoed 360, assume 18% driveline loss gives 439 crank, => you've got 3200/439 = 7.3 lb/hp versus his 410 => 500 crank => 7.4 lbs/hp.

So again: his dyno numbers just don't match these results. He should be significantly faster with that much horsepower, unless the weight of his car is a lot higher than 3700, around 700 pounds or so higher. Either that, or something has happened since then to his car to slow it down dramatically.

Btw, if your car is really producing 360 rwhp with an 18% driveline loss, this comes out to about 440 crank. At 3200 pounds, assuming you weigh about 200, you should be able to trap at a best of 118 mph on a good track with good conditions. I'd be interested to see results from both your car and his from a strip, along with weigh-in...you can get pretty accurate crank hp numbers if you've got that info.

Example: Fikse's car trapped at 116.3. Assuming it weighs the same as rated, 4100 pounds, and he weighs in at 170, he's putting out about 4270*(116.3/234)^3 = 524 crank. With an 18% driveline loss, that'd put his rwhp at 430, while with a 20% driveline loss it'd be 419.2. Pretty close!

So if we turn this around and use it on Mario's car (we'll assume a 20% loss, same as Fikse's, and no, I'm not gonna go back and redo the previous ones; too lazy!!), if the car weighs 3700, he weighs 170, this gives 512.5 crank hp. So it should trap at 234*(512.5/3870)^0.33333 = 119.27.

This equation is pretty accurate, too: take the Z06 for example. Weighs 3100 pounds. With 150 pound driver and 500 horsepower, it should trap at 234*(500/3250)^0.3333 = 125.38. Some of them have trapped higher, but 125 is pretty close to the average. And the one in Motor Trend that trapped higher was dynoed at figures indicating a crank hp more on the order of 530 than 500, so that accounts for some of it as well.

Anyway, I just can't see tha thing producing a true 410 crank and getting spanked by that with that weight....something's not right here. it should be making a better showing than that, no doubt about it.

Thericker

You make lots of good points, (1) forgot to mention is Mario is into bodybuilding like me(I'm 6'1" 200-205lbs) but bigger about 6'2" 230-235lbs and yes his car could be heavier than my quote from Autotrader.com (I use them cause they always have info on any car, though it does fluctuate, so maybe the w210 55 is heavier)

All I know is his last dyno was from up north "Godspeeds shop" and he got the results I previously stated. Maybe the difference in colder weather up north gave him some extra ponies

I always use his 210 55 as my litmus test because we've raced since I was stock, many times after, + he's the only guy 25min from me, always up for a little race

I plan on getting a FULL tune, then I'll hit a track, even LACR, since Juicee and others have set the bar at that ****y track, I wont be humilated to run 12.99-13.xx as long as my traps are at least 114+

Edit: I love the 211 E55k and did lots of research on it, I can dig up the dozen or so dynos I previously posted in the E55 forum, the average is 460-490 rwto stock, some even higher! I know it shocked me as well, also Torque is paramount on frwy rolls, like in my races w/Vadim

I'll dig up the old posts/dynos later.

No matter are past differences I do appreciate a good conversation w/you

ProjectC55

Not saying it will run low 12's till I run it. But have no reason to believe itwon't run 12's. PTE's N/A CLK55 with the same mods ran 12.6 @110 and a best of 12.4 @111 with the Quaiffe diff. The diff is the only mod difference between both our cars plus my car is lighter.
Stck(no cams,exh,or headers) my car put out 310whp with the 5.5L motor. Have you forgotten I have Kleeman cams,Upgraded SW,Kleeman headers,3" stainless steel exhaust back? I still have yet to dyno since the Car has adpated to all the mods. Have you forgotten? Stop hatin Biotch! We were all there. kill the sour grapes! Here's JLee's car with the same mods with a horrid launch of 2.5 and look at his mph. And mind you this is in a w209 CLK55 like PTE's car which is also alot heavier than mines:

ProjectC55

What M6 Omey?

AMG_55

i believe he meant Manual C6
M=manual
6 gears

there are also A4 and A6 so i guess its easier that way

ProjectC55

Gotcha! Those are also cars as we all know!

ProjectC55

Patrick's CLK55 vs quite a few C6's:

http://www.dragtimes.com/compare2.ph...ame=Compare%21

Thericker

You're far to sensitive I didn't know? or remember? you had installed these new mods??? just going by your sig chilly willie Why don't you get a damn new dyno???? seems after headers etc..It would be a given get down to dyno

Thericker

Wait you don't have a 2003 CLK55, the newer 2003 55 has documented more hp, plus he as limited slip? you don't? dude are we counting chickens befeore they hatch again?

Question? Why do you keep generalizing, and saying the same stuff you said about "Benzmacs" car? Jlee has Evosport pulleys, & LSD, also stronger 2003 55?
Can't wait to see your slip! good luck

Improviz

Sounds like you're of similar build to me, but you're taller and leaner, I'm shorter and wider, lol...I'm about 5'11", 198-ish unless I start skipping workouts, lol...anyway, the extra weight on Mario wouldn't change things much, but if the car picked up any weight w/the SC installation, other stuff, it would...although someone on the forums was telling me recently that a Renntech (I think) SC actually removed weight because the assembly was lighter than the stock manifold!! But there are a lot of variables here, so who knows?

If I had some 1/4 runs and a weigh-in for his car, it'd be easy enough to figure out, but for now it shall remain a mystery.

I can't find it...only one I can find for him is this one, which is 367 peak hp/377 peak torque, which would explain your pulling him like that. But that was from last April....sounds like you're talking something more recent?

Well, if your crank hp is where your dyno number says it is, you should have no trouble trapping higher than that.

Thericker

Yeah that was his old dyno, he recently had the Maggie rebuilt, and added full Aquamist chemical/water/meth cooling spray, since his SC is NON intercooled it added 40 or so rwhp + a few more ponies from rebuild. he has the MP90, shouldn't weigh much at all.

My enemy is not eating enough! I have to put down 6+ meals a day just to maintain, bodyfat is retarded LOW, I have a super fast metabolism.


Edit: My stock dyno been posted here a few times was 348rwhp 360 rwto, since then added cat-back Bullets(design is NO mufflers just small reso's loud as ****e!) CAI, and TM removal, but got bigger wider wheels on 345/30 rubbers on 19x12 Z06 equipment, now dyno at 360 rwhp and 355-358 rwto can't remeber torque exactly...so I gained and lost some, but feels infinitely stronger post TM removal! that governor type limiter sux!

ProjectC55

Nope we r not! And I said this in most.

W211 E55 documented hp is 463 or 469 hp correct? SL55 has 493 documented hp correct? When you dyno them both they put out the same RWHP correct!!!!! Such is the case with my car and the CLK55's from 2000 to 2003. Plus my car is lighter than a W209 CLK55. Read what Improviz says about power to weight ratio again Charlie!

However,not worried about limited slip Charlie. With the right tires in a straight line I'm sure I'll get a good launch as seen by SleeperX and Enzom whom both don't have LSD! Again I said it should run 12's but I won't proclaim anything until or unless I do it. I just know on a roll I was saying where is the C6?

I posted you some runs with the CLK55 vs your beloved C6 and this is all you have to say? Screw the pullies. Even our friend Mario will tell you that he did not notice a diference when he had them on his car N/A. He was trying to sell them prior to placing on the HPS kit.

Here's a car without pullies and LSD:

https://mbworld.org/forums/c32-amg-c55-amg-w203/191821-one-fast-c55.html


I think you like to debate and argue for the sake of it! Seems like your em-mo!

LOL! THANKS and wish me luck at the track!!!