BEWARE DIESEL PICK UPS
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BEWARE DIESEL PICK UPS
This isn't a kill story but interesting and informative.
We recently had a customer come into the shop for a roll cage in his Dodge 4 x 4 pick up. This is a plain jane truck with nothing special and looks just like every other Dodge pu on the road with the exception of Drag Radials on all four corners.
I'm talking to the guy and figure he wants the roll cage for off roading or something but no, he says they won't let him run at the track anymore without one. I'm like, "really, this thing runs in the 10's?" Wrong. It runs in the 9's.
And, there's a video of it on YouTube running 9:68 at 141 mph! He's making more mods and is looking now for mid 8's at 160. And, it weighs over 6,000 lbs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qkxi7wOU5E
Fair warning. This truck is driven daily around south Florida.
We recently had a customer come into the shop for a roll cage in his Dodge 4 x 4 pick up. This is a plain jane truck with nothing special and looks just like every other Dodge pu on the road with the exception of Drag Radials on all four corners.
I'm talking to the guy and figure he wants the roll cage for off roading or something but no, he says they won't let him run at the track anymore without one. I'm like, "really, this thing runs in the 10's?" Wrong. It runs in the 9's.
And, there's a video of it on YouTube running 9:68 at 141 mph! He's making more mods and is looking now for mid 8's at 160. And, it weighs over 6,000 lbs.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qkxi7wOU5E
Fair warning. This truck is driven daily around south Florida.
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9s at 141, you'll make the bay jesus weep with those figures.
Decent rule of thumb is that if you're next to a diesel truck belching out black smoke as it power brakes, you're not going to beat it away from the lights.
Decent rule of thumb is that if you're next to a diesel truck belching out black smoke as it power brakes, you're not going to beat it away from the lights.
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Oh yea, you definitley need to give respect to the Cummins Turbo Diesel. Just putting a simple tune on that engine will give it upwards of 900 pounds of torque and can toast the stock transmission in a few high 13 second 1/4 mile passes in a 7500 pound 4x4. 10k of mods will give you a reliable 650 hp and 1300-1400 pounds of torque that gets 20-22mpg highway (dont forget its a 7500 pound 4x4 that can tow 20k pounds down the highway at 75)
There are a couple of guys well in excess of 1200 hp & 2500 pounds of torque running over 100psi of boost with those trucks, and it sounds like this is definitley one of them. Can you say traction issues in 4x4 with slicks!
Here are the two main websites if you guys are interested in reading more about these beasts
www.dieseltruckresource.com
www.turbodieselregister.com
There are a couple of guys well in excess of 1200 hp & 2500 pounds of torque running over 100psi of boost with those trucks, and it sounds like this is definitley one of them. Can you say traction issues in 4x4 with slicks!
Here are the two main websites if you guys are interested in reading more about these beasts
www.dieseltruckresource.com
www.turbodieselregister.com
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This shop (http://www.atsdiesel.com/ats_new/) is right down the street from my house, and some of the stuff that rolls out of there is insane. It is not a good idea to race a truck in my neighborhood, because more likely than not, it is one of their shop vehicles. 
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After the 1/4 mile trucks are toast though, so no real worries on the freeway if you're in a E63 or something.
Dodge 2500 and non-dooley 3500 only weighs about 6000-6500 not 7500 like the Ford Super Duty's. Heck, my dooley weighs almost 9000lbs empty
Dodge 2500 and non-dooley 3500 only weighs about 6000-6500 not 7500 like the Ford Super Duty's. Heck, my dooley weighs almost 9000lbs empty
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).If that truck is running 140+mph in the 1/4 mile at 9.68s...then he is going to roast an E63...E55...CL65..etc. Think of it this way. He is probably running a 2 second 0-60mph time. So from a 60mph roll he is running about 7.5-8seconds 60-140mph. An McLaren SLR runs 60-130mph in 7.24..a stock E63 runs 60-130 in about 10 to 11 seconds. Obiously the times from 60-140 would be another couple of seconds longer for the additional 10mph. I am not sure at what speed the truck is going to slow down due to aerodynamic drag...but it will have put so much distance on most other high perfromance cars that the guy behind would likely just give up.
Tom
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Yeah...I am going to have to disagree with you on that (doing my best Bill Lumberg ).
If that truck is running 140+mph in the 1/4 mile at 9.68s...then he is going to roast an E63...E55...CL65..etc. Think of it this way. He is probably running a 2 second 0-60mph time. So from a 60mph roll he is running about 7.5-8seconds 60-140mph. An McLaren SLR runs 60-130mph in 7.24..a stock E63 runs 60-130 in about 10 to 11 seconds. Obiously the times from 60-140 would be another couple of seconds longer for the additional 10mph. I am not sure at what speed the truck is going to slow down due to aerodynamic drag...but it will have put so much distance on most other high perfromance cars that the guy behind would likely just give up.
Tom
).If that truck is running 140+mph in the 1/4 mile at 9.68s...then he is going to roast an E63...E55...CL65..etc. Think of it this way. He is probably running a 2 second 0-60mph time. So from a 60mph roll he is running about 7.5-8seconds 60-140mph. An McLaren SLR runs 60-130mph in 7.24..a stock E63 runs 60-130 in about 10 to 11 seconds. Obiously the times from 60-140 would be another couple of seconds longer for the additional 10mph. I am not sure at what speed the truck is going to slow down due to aerodynamic drag...but it will have put so much distance on most other high perfromance cars that the guy behind would likely just give up.
Tom
I'm going by the assumption that aero-deficiencies will pair up with a gearing primed to give an outta the hole advantage to work against the Ram on the freeway roll-on scenario. I would've thought that in a race from say 100-160 I'd fancy the E63, well certainly the 65
Maybe a higher speed start would be needed for an AMG "w," but I chose 160 due to limiters on the non-030 E63s.Like I said, only an assumption so I could well be wrong and it certainly wouldn't be the first time.
-Rob
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Tom,
I'm going by the assumption that aero-deficiencies will pair up with a gearing primed to give an outta the hole advantage to work against the Ram on the freeway roll-on scenario. I would've thought that in a race from say 100-160 I'd fancy the E63, well certainly the 65 Maybe a higher speed start would be needed for an AMG "w," but I chose 160 due to limiters on the non-030 E63s.
Like I said, only an assumption so I could well be wrong and it certainly wouldn't be the first time.
-Rob
I'm going by the assumption that aero-deficiencies will pair up with a gearing primed to give an outta the hole advantage to work against the Ram on the freeway roll-on scenario. I would've thought that in a race from say 100-160 I'd fancy the E63, well certainly the 65
Maybe a higher speed start would be needed for an AMG "w," but I chose 160 due to limiters on the non-030 E63s.Like I said, only an assumption so I could well be wrong and it certainly wouldn't be the first time.
-Rob
Rob:
I think most highway roll-ons would start around 60mph. But I agree the higher the speed that you start...the more the truck would lose its advantage. A 100-160mph would definitely swing towards our 65's.
Have you ever posted any pics of your tectite S65? Tectite is my alltime fav MB color. I don't think I have ever seen an S65 in tectite.
Tom
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What I know is I wouldn't like to be driving any truck at those speeds. They must be about to take off.
Tom- saw your postings recently over at m5board. How's your 6 liter V12 Biturbo running? (still get a kick out of describing the parts of that engine.)
Rob- been playing too much phone tag with you and Sean. Lets try and meet up again, been too long.
By the way, if the guy with the Dodge is reading this, nice truck.
Tom- saw your postings recently over at m5board. How's your 6 liter V12 Biturbo running? (still get a kick out of describing the parts of that engine.)
Rob- been playing too much phone tag with you and Sean. Lets try and meet up again, been too long.
By the way, if the guy with the Dodge is reading this, nice truck.
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What I know is I wouldn't like to be driving any truck at those speeds. They must be about to take off.
Tom- saw your postings recently over at m5board. How's your 6 liter V12 Biturbo running? (still get a kick out of describing the parts of that engine.)
Rob- been playing too much phone tag with you and Sean. Lets try and meet up again, been too long.
By the way, if the guy with the Dodge is reading this, nice truck.
Tom- saw your postings recently over at m5board. How's your 6 liter V12 Biturbo running? (still get a kick out of describing the parts of that engine.)
Rob- been playing too much phone tag with you and Sean. Lets try and meet up again, been too long.
By the way, if the guy with the Dodge is reading this, nice truck.
I also wonder what it must be like to try to stop that truck at those speeds!
I am trying to get it ready for the spring and my pursuit of 10's without radically changing the hardware side of things. also trying to get a decent 60-130mph time on my pbox. The road conditions around here haven't helped much (surface either too cold or too much residual salt).
Tom
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I try to stay away as far as possible from these things.
If not for any other reason then the ungodly stink they create..
If not for any other reason then the ungodly stink they create..
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What I know is I wouldn't like to be driving any truck at those speeds. They must be about to take off.
Tom- saw your postings recently over at m5board. How's your 6 liter V12 Biturbo running? (still get a kick out of describing the parts of that engine.)
Rob- been playing too much phone tag with you and Sean. Lets try and meet up again, been too long.
By the way, if the guy with the Dodge is reading this, nice truck.
Tom- saw your postings recently over at m5board. How's your 6 liter V12 Biturbo running? (still get a kick out of describing the parts of that engine.)
Rob- been playing too much phone tag with you and Sean. Lets try and meet up again, been too long.
By the way, if the guy with the Dodge is reading this, nice truck.
I'll be in LA on Wednesday next week 28th getting some black-out mods @ Stickercity on way home
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They're easy to beat on the street as long as they don't have slicks and aren't in 4 wheel drive. I recently got it on with a Super Duty 'cause the guy was talkin' smack, etc. From a stop I don't think he quit spinning for an entire block. We talked and he said the 55 was the ONLY car to ever beat him from light to light. I don't doubt that for a minute. I declined a rematch with him and his slicks on all 4 corners. 
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Reliable power comes easy and cheap on these diesels...
For less than $600 I added a SCT X3 programmer that offers 3 HP settings - 140HP is the highest setting, and the transmission can still handle it. This programmer also modifies shifting, diesel braking, converter lockup, etc, and the programs are custom made according to your trucks VIN and your personal requirements. The amount of smoke produced at its highest setting under full throttle turns day into night. The best part of this is rolling slowly into the throttle and smoking out the douches that ride my a$$ for no real reason. Anyway, I've been driving my truck on the highest setting for more than 40K miles without any issues, and the only indication that the truck is modded is a single 5" exhaust tip, and a small egt gauge mounted on my pillar. Add to the fact that the turbocharger whistles like an F18 under hard acceleration makes it even better. Supercars like the Mustang GT are easy prey.
For less than $600 I added a SCT X3 programmer that offers 3 HP settings - 140HP is the highest setting, and the transmission can still handle it. This programmer also modifies shifting, diesel braking, converter lockup, etc, and the programs are custom made according to your trucks VIN and your personal requirements. The amount of smoke produced at its highest setting under full throttle turns day into night. The best part of this is rolling slowly into the throttle and smoking out the douches that ride my a$$ for no real reason. Anyway, I've been driving my truck on the highest setting for more than 40K miles without any issues, and the only indication that the truck is modded is a single 5" exhaust tip, and a small egt gauge mounted on my pillar. Add to the fact that the turbocharger whistles like an F18 under hard acceleration makes it even better. Supercars like the Mustang GT are easy prey.
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They're easy to beat on the street as long as they don't have slicks and aren't in 4 wheel drive. I recently got it on with a Super Duty 'cause the guy was talkin' smack, etc. From a stop I don't think he quit spinning for an entire block. We talked and he said the 55 was the ONLY car to ever beat him from light to light. I don't doubt that for a minute. I declined a rematch with him and his slicks on all 4 corners.
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interesting read..
I ran into a quad cab Dodge, turbo diesel, huge rims/ lifted/ huge exhaust pipe and lots of smoke..
I'm sure he was boosting his ride.. you could hear his turbos loud on the freeway.
We were on my way to church last sunday on the 60 west bound near Walnut CA and the guy is on my tail on the fast lane running around 70 with traffic.
I'm not sure if I pissed him off.. but I was driving with 1.5 car buffer space. I had my kids on board and it was church Sunday.
When the traffic clears.. I step aside and let him pass..
but while letting him pass, I was on it for a bit.
I reached close to tripple digits and I can hear him trying to keep up and lots of smoke pumping.. but it was not close at all.
again.. it was fast truck.. and probably could beat many mid to high 13's cars..
I let him pass and he kept driving like a mad man.. he was alone and I had 4 passengers.
I don't even consider it a kill, since I was in front.. but the guy was a *****.
maybe it does not represent the majority of modded truck drivers.. but here in So Cal.. for some reason we see many of these guys.. all show but no GO.
I ran into a quad cab Dodge, turbo diesel, huge rims/ lifted/ huge exhaust pipe and lots of smoke..
I'm sure he was boosting his ride.. you could hear his turbos loud on the freeway.
We were on my way to church last sunday on the 60 west bound near Walnut CA and the guy is on my tail on the fast lane running around 70 with traffic.
I'm not sure if I pissed him off.. but I was driving with 1.5 car buffer space. I had my kids on board and it was church Sunday.
When the traffic clears.. I step aside and let him pass..
but while letting him pass, I was on it for a bit.
I reached close to tripple digits and I can hear him trying to keep up and lots of smoke pumping.. but it was not close at all.
again.. it was fast truck.. and probably could beat many mid to high 13's cars..
I let him pass and he kept driving like a mad man.. he was alone and I had 4 passengers.
I don't even consider it a kill, since I was in front.. but the guy was a *****.
maybe it does not represent the majority of modded truck drivers.. but here in So Cal.. for some reason we see many of these guys.. all show but no GO.
... you crystallized my thought when I read that (and I am no Mustang basher as I have owned 5 of them).
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One more diesel story.
I find myself behind a Ford Excursion who is behind a sugar cane semi in the middle of the state. I'm driving my CLK55 and figure I'll take em both when the opportunity presents.
Sure enough, an opportunity comes up for me to pass and just as I'm rolling into the gas and making my move, the Excursion pulls out to pass also. I'm thinking, damn, I'll never get around this truck now. But, low and behold, the Excursion belches out a huge cloud of black smoke and starts pulling AWAY from me.
I've got my foot to the floor and I'm not catching this Excursion. We both safely pass the truck with ease and I follow the guy for awhile, at high speeds, until he gives me a wave and turns off.Never underestimate big diesel trucks.
