Clk55 vs e90 M3
04-15-2009, 12:15 AM
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Drag coefficient for the 208 was 0.31 as I recall, not a "brick"...having said that, and having run both an new M3 and an E39 M5, I have a hard time swallowing that, particularly at 130 mph+, a CLK55 could pull, or run even with, a new M3...just the horsepower advantage should allow it to pull pretty good up high.
Otoh, I wouldn't have thought this possible either, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD9NWg6HaGw
Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pUrHCl6uwE
Still, gotta color this one dubious, or else the guy couldn't drive for *****. I think that down low a 208 could probably give one a good run due to huge torque advantage (although a well-driven M3 should still pull it pretty well), but up high unless the guy was shifting early or poorly (or both), he should have walked you pretty good.
Otoh, I wouldn't have thought this possible either, but:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD9NWg6HaGw
Or this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pUrHCl6uwE
Still, gotta color this one dubious, or else the guy couldn't drive for *****. I think that down low a 208 could probably give one a good run due to huge torque advantage (although a well-driven M3 should still pull it pretty well), but up high unless the guy was shifting early or poorly (or both), he should have walked you pretty good.
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04-15-2009, 01:05 AM
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Um I ran a W209 CLK55 in my E46M3 and we were about dead even with me redlining every gear at 78-7900rpm... as we got higher up in speed he started to put a little bit of distance... not that much...
No way your 208 was any match with a redlining e90,92,93 M3... and if you think it is... I am sure I could get a few of them together on some of the other forums to run you in "mexico"
No way your 208 was any match with a redlining e90,92,93 M3... and if you think it is... I am sure I could get a few of them together on some of the other forums to run you in "mexico"
04-15-2009, 07:29 PM
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Um I ran a W209 CLK55 in my E46M3 and we were about dead even with me redlining every gear at 78-7900rpm... as we got higher up in speed he started to put a little bit of distance... not that much...
No way your 208 was any match with a redlining e90,92,93 M3... and if you think it is... I am sure I could get a few of them together on some of the other forums to run you in "mexico"
No way your 208 was any match with a redlining e90,92,93 M3... and if you think it is... I am sure I could get a few of them together on some of the other forums to run you in "mexico"
04-18-2009, 11:59 AM
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This was one of the latest beta maps. Don't know what kind your friend was running. But suddenly, there have been quite a few new BMWs with the N54TT running close to 120mph. Mine was on VP Racing Unleaded. But it also ran the 11.783 with no warm up burn out, and no limited slip diff! Car was so quiet I could barely hear my engine over the cars that were next to me!
04-18-2009, 04:19 PM
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This was one of the latest beta maps. Don't know what kind your friend was running. But suddenly, there have been quite a few new BMWs with the N54TT running close to 120mph. Mine was on VP Racing Unleaded. But it also ran the 11.783 with no warm up burn out, and no limited slip diff! Car was so quiet I could barely hear my engine over the cars that were next to me!
I don't expect to "destroy" his CLK55 tomorrow by any means. The difference between a low 13's car and a mid to high 12's car is 2-3 car lengths at best. However if going straight off numbers, they do favor me. Win, lose or draw, I'll be sure to vouch for whatever happens. I am running JB3 1.3 8B2 Map 4 on a 135i 6MT with a Short Shifter and Dual Cone Intake. I wish my chip burner came in today, then I would have been able to update to 8D which has the wastegate lag fix... being that I have a later MSD revision that introduced lag.
FYI, these N54s with DRs and full bolt-ons on race map can indeed trap in the 118-120 range. For the plain jane JB3 user with no boltons, they can expect to trap in the 112-114 range if driven properly on stock run-flat tires WITH an automatic. For some reason, the 6MTs fare terribly at the drag strip with stock tires... and I'm not the only one. The automatics are MUCH better.
04-18-2009, 06:52 PM
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Hey guys, I was referred over here from n54tech.com and noticed that the guy who I'm going to run tomorrow Mr. Jon who actually lives in New York and only owns an 02 CLK55 AMG (not those other cars in his profile) is all over the damn place! Small world.
I don't expect to "destroy" his CLK55 tomorrow by any means. The difference between a low 13's car and a mid to high 12's car is 2-3 car lengths at best. However if going straight off numbers, they do favor me. Win, lose or draw, I'll be sure to vouch for whatever happens. I am running JB3 1.3 8B2 Map 4 on a 135i 6MT with a Short Shifter and Dual Cone Intake. I wish my chip burner came in today, then I would have been able to update to 8D which has the wastegate lag fix... being that I have a later MSD revision that introduced lag.
FYI, these N54s with DRs and full bolt-ons on race map can indeed trap in the 118-120 range. For the plain jane JB3 user with no boltons, they can expect to trap in the 112-114 range if driven properly on stock run-flat tires WITH an automatic. For some reason, the 6MTs fare terribly at the drag strip with stock tires... and I'm not the only one. The automatics are MUCH better.
I don't expect to "destroy" his CLK55 tomorrow by any means. The difference between a low 13's car and a mid to high 12's car is 2-3 car lengths at best. However if going straight off numbers, they do favor me. Win, lose or draw, I'll be sure to vouch for whatever happens. I am running JB3 1.3 8B2 Map 4 on a 135i 6MT with a Short Shifter and Dual Cone Intake. I wish my chip burner came in today, then I would have been able to update to 8D which has the wastegate lag fix... being that I have a later MSD revision that introduced lag.
FYI, these N54s with DRs and full bolt-ons on race map can indeed trap in the 118-120 range. For the plain jane JB3 user with no boltons, they can expect to trap in the 112-114 range if driven properly on stock run-flat tires WITH an automatic. For some reason, the 6MTs fare terribly at the drag strip with stock tires... and I'm not the only one. The automatics are MUCH better.
Don't dissappointment me like the e90 M3 Ben! 
BTW the last time you was at the drag strip you only trapped 106 with the map 4
04-20-2009, 11:16 AM
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i Just read through this forum and I have to say something..
The new M3's are very fast but the other day i raced a completely stock 4 dr m3 from dead stop and till about 65mph is when i started pulling about half a car.. so its very believeable..
but then again i think my car is a freak!
My car is completely stock and i ran 13.04 at the track the other night
The new M3's are very fast but the other day i raced a completely stock 4 dr m3 from dead stop and till about 65mph is when i started pulling about half a car.. so its very believeable..
but then again i think my car is a freak!
My car is completely stock and i ran 13.04 at the track the other night
04-20-2009, 12:18 PM
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I beat a 4 door e90 M3 last night, 3-4th gear pull. Then again I'm boosting 20psi atm, still on a raw file =). A whole bunch more to go.
Jon you want a pull, seeing that your car is faster than a M3
Jon you want a pull, seeing that your car is faster than a M3
04-20-2009, 06:52 PM
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i Just read through this forum and I have to say something..
The new M3's are very fast but the other day i raced a completely stock 4 dr m3 from dead stop and till about 65mph is when i started pulling about half a car.. so its very believeable..
but then again i think my car is a freak!
My car is completely stock and i ran 13.04 at the track the other night
The new M3's are very fast but the other day i raced a completely stock 4 dr m3 from dead stop and till about 65mph is when i started pulling about half a car.. so its very believeable..
but then again i think my car is a freak!
My car is completely stock and i ran 13.04 at the track the other night
04-20-2009, 06:59 PM
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I know the e90 m3s are definitely faster then my Clk55. Thats no brainer. But this is what happened in real life To be continued..
To be continued..
04-22-2009, 09:49 PM
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04-22-2009, 11:49 PM
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Considering they are only 4 liter V8s, they don't do too bad. They don't have much torque however. On the other hand, I took my 3.0L 335i to the dragstrip yesterday. Juice Box controller, stock exhaust, cats, intercooler, airbox, etc. Ran at 11.783 and my highest trap was 120.916 mph in 66F temps. (would have been faster in cooler temps)
As for the comments about drafting not possible with a car that has the aerodynamics of a brick. Whoever made that comment must not have spent much time at the track running triple digit speeds. First off the CLK55 coef of drag is not that bad and truth is the less aerodynamic a moving body is, the more it can benefit from a draft. There is not many things less aerodynamic than a motorcycle and I road raced them for years and I am here to tell you that a draft can add several mph to your topend speed. Even bicycles at 15 mph can benefit from a draft. Saying that the draft cannot affect outcome is pure ignorance. I have ran lesser vehicles up to their terminal velocity and then pulled into the draft and seen 5 more mph or more if the gearing is not maxxed out. As for Jon's kill, Good one Mate! I love that V8 M3 but it is not invincable. I get to play with on on the road course next month and will report if it can be draft passed after that, lol.
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04-23-2009, 08:28 PM
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I dunno if the guy outran the M3 or not but whats up with the quote above. If I said, hey that's great but I took my twin turbo NOS injected Corvette Z06 to the track and trapped a 8.84 E, what would be the point?? Just askin. It has nothing to do with the thread other than the modded 335 is faster than the M3. So what?
As for the comments about drafting not possible with a car that has the aerodynamics of a brick. Whoever made that comment must not have spent much time at the track running triple digit speeds. First off the CLK55 coef of drag is not that bad and truth is the less aerodynamic a moving body is, the more it can benefit from a draft. There is not many things less aerodynamic than a motorcycle and I road raced them for years and I am here to tell you that a draft can add several mph to your topend speed. Even bicycles at 15 mph can benefit from a draft. Saying that the draft cannot affect outcome is pure ignorance. I have ran lesser vehicles up to their terminal velocity and then pulled into the draft and seen 5 more mph or more if the gearing is not maxxed out. As for Jon's kill, Good one Mate! I love that V8 M3 but it is not invincable. I get to play with on on the road course next month and will report if it can be draft passed after that, lol.
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As for the comments about drafting not possible with a car that has the aerodynamics of a brick. Whoever made that comment must not have spent much time at the track running triple digit speeds. First off the CLK55 coef of drag is not that bad and truth is the less aerodynamic a moving body is, the more it can benefit from a draft. There is not many things less aerodynamic than a motorcycle and I road raced them for years and I am here to tell you that a draft can add several mph to your topend speed. Even bicycles at 15 mph can benefit from a draft. Saying that the draft cannot affect outcome is pure ignorance. I have ran lesser vehicles up to their terminal velocity and then pulled into the draft and seen 5 more mph or more if the gearing is not maxxed out. As for Jon's kill, Good one Mate! I love that V8 M3 but it is not invincable. I get to play with on on the road course next month and will report if it can be draft passed after that, lol.
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The difference in trap speed is only like 4-5mph in the 1/4. These guys think the e90 m3 are untouchable
04-23-2009, 11:23 PM
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I saw an old asian guy driving one the other day on the highway, I pulled next to him, downshifted and did the old stomp and brake trick a few times. I could tell he was angry and was yelling something, but didn't wana go.
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I drive my friend's E92 M3 a lot. even with my C32 already at around 420 crank the new M3 still feels quicker up top (well slightly quicker). It would pull away from the 208/209 CLK55 with ease. hell, my 32 pulls away from 208/209 CLK55 with ease as long as they ain't supercharged.
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4-5mph difference is like a full second which = 2-3 car length or more. fast forward to 3:00 mark. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUQb6SiJUh0
