'15 BTEC Pricing Opinion??
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'15 BTEC Pricing Opinion?? / PERFORMANCE??
I know everyone has an idea of what a good deal is, but we are coming back to MB after the last several years with BMW. Had R, M, and a couple GLs before so pretty familiar with MB tactics.
I found an MB ML250 BTEC that is pretty loaded at $71k+. It is an exec "brasshat" so there are 6k miles on it. I've negotiated down to $60k but I'm curious if others are getting similar deals on vehicles without miles.
Should I keep looking? The diesel thing is ok, but not a deal breaker if we found a gasser also. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
I found an MB ML250 BTEC that is pretty loaded at $71k+. It is an exec "brasshat" so there are 6k miles on it. I've negotiated down to $60k but I'm curious if others are getting similar deals on vehicles without miles.
Should I keep looking? The diesel thing is ok, but not a deal breaker if we found a gasser also. Thanks for your thoughts on this.
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I paid MSRP minus $9,000 last month for a ML250, new with no miles that listed for $61,000. The vehicle you are talking about is a used car with 6,000 miles. Who the previous owner was carries no special features whether it was the factory or a private individual.
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Appreciate the comments. 16.7% is the reduction I've got so far and it appears to be the bottom of the price for the dealer. Even though it has miles it is registered as new so the warranty starts at my sale date. I'm not overly concerned about what an MB exec did to it as long as everything checks out.
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So I changed the title to get some more opinions on driving dynamics of this new Btec. We had '10 BTEC ML and the E BTEC. I drive a BMW 650 so this is going to feel like a turd (sorry), but how is this in everyday driving? 0-60 isn't everything. Around town, on the highway; how does this engine/trans do in the real world?
I know, I know; go drive it yourself. And, we will. Just curious what others are feeling.
I know, I know; go drive it yourself. And, we will. Just curious what others are feeling.
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Well... drive the ML250 and decide yourself ... frankly folks that own them are very/very happy.
Yes - a "true" brass hat has been drivien under mnuf plates - and as such you will be the 1st owner - and also you will be covered by MB new car warranty 4yr/50K miles - those who plan to hold "longer" or drive over 50K miles would prefer low mileage CPO ML rather than brasshat.
Yes - a "true" brass hat has been drivien under mnuf plates - and as such you will be the 1st owner - and also you will be covered by MB new car warranty 4yr/50K miles - those who plan to hold "longer" or drive over 50K miles would prefer low mileage CPO ML rather than brasshat.
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Appreciate the comments. 16.7% is the reduction I've got so far and it appears to be the bottom of the price for the dealer. Even though it has miles it is registered as new so the warranty starts at my sale date. I'm not overly concerned about what an MB exec did to it as long as everything checks out.
Well... drive the ML250 and decide yourself ... frankly folks that own them are very/very happy.
Yes - a "true" brass hat has been drivien under mnuf plates - and as such you will be the 1st owner - and also you will be covered by MB new car warranty 4yr/50K miles - those who plan to hold "longer" or drive over 50K miles would prefer low mileage CPO ML rather than brasshat.
Yes - a "true" brass hat has been drivien under mnuf plates - and as such you will be the 1st owner - and also you will be covered by MB new car warranty 4yr/50K miles - those who plan to hold "longer" or drive over 50K miles would prefer low mileage CPO ML rather than brasshat.
Can we get clarification on this? With a true manf demo/brass hat vehicle, do you get the entire 50k miles of warranty? Using the OP as an example, would the warranty be up at 50,000 miles or does he get the benefit of until 56,000 miles? I ask as I know w/ BMW, these types of vehicles are desirable as on a lease they qualify for the same new car residuals and the original msrp is used but the cap cost/selling price has the benefit of being lower due to the miles on the car. Also, using the same example, on a 3yr/36k mile lease, the lease would be up with 42k miles on the odometer. However, the warranty still expires with 50k miles on the odo, part of the reason for the discounted selling price.
Does it work the same w/ MB? On this vehicle would the warranty expire at 50k or 56k?
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So I changed the title to get some more opinions on driving dynamics of this new Btec. We had '10 BTEC ML and the E BTEC. I drive a BMW 650 so this is going to feel like a turd (sorry), but how is this in everyday driving? 0-60 isn't everything. Around town, on the highway; how does this engine/trans do in the real world?
I know, I know; go drive it yourself. And, we will. Just curious what others are feeling.
I know, I know; go drive it yourself. And, we will. Just curious what others are feeling.
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Updating my situation, as it changed unexpectedly yesterday. Regarding the warranty status and date of service, it seems that there was some confusion on the dealer's part. Although we were considering a lease, and the dealer advertised a lease as though this is a "new" vehicle (brasshat or not), we decided to purchase instead.
Basically, when I informed them of intent to purchase, I was told this would now be a CPO vehicle. So the warranty started in November 2014 (new car) and the CPO warranty will now go until November 2019 and unlimited miles.
At first I was a little ticked off, but then I realized this seems to be better. The "A" service was already done and I get the same 4 year warranty (plus a couple months) as new vehicle would. A little strange, because I wonder if we would have leased when they were going to tell me this, but the dealer is good and I've worked with them before. Just a little misunderstanding I'm thinking.
Basically, when I informed them of intent to purchase, I was told this would now be a CPO vehicle. So the warranty started in November 2014 (new car) and the CPO warranty will now go until November 2019 and unlimited miles.
At first I was a little ticked off, but then I realized this seems to be better. The "A" service was already done and I get the same 4 year warranty (plus a couple months) as new vehicle would. A little strange, because I wonder if we would have leased when they were going to tell me this, but the dealer is good and I've worked with them before. Just a little misunderstanding I'm thinking.
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Can we get clarification on this? With a true manf demo/brass hat vehicle, do you get the entire 50k miles of warranty? Using the OP as an example, would the warranty be up at 50,000 miles or does he get the benefit of until 56,000 miles? I ask as I know w/ BMW, these types of vehicles are desirable as on a lease they qualify for the same new car residuals and the original msrp is used but the cap cost/selling price has the benefit of being lower due to the miles on the car. Also, using the same example, on a 3yr/36k mile lease, the lease would be up with 42k miles on the odometer. However, the warranty still expires with 50k miles on the odo, part of the reason for the discounted selling price.
Does it work the same w/ MB? On this vehicle would the warranty expire at 50k or 56k?
Can we get clarification on this? With a true manf demo/brass hat vehicle, do you get the entire 50k miles of warranty? Using the OP as an example, would the warranty be up at 50,000 miles or does he get the benefit of until 56,000 miles? I ask as I know w/ BMW, these types of vehicles are desirable as on a lease they qualify for the same new car residuals and the original msrp is used but the cap cost/selling price has the benefit of being lower due to the miles on the car. Also, using the same example, on a 3yr/36k mile lease, the lease would be up with 42k miles on the odometer. However, the warranty still expires with 50k miles on the odo, part of the reason for the discounted selling price.
Does it work the same w/ MB? On this vehicle would the warranty expire at 50k or 56k?
I think you ask a good question. I have sold thousands of these vehicles previously used by the manufacturer from many different manufacturers. All of them came with a title, not an MCO, and had previously been reported sold by the manufacturer when put into service. The warranty start date was the date of service and expired at the normal time and distance parameters.
There are many uses for these cars and all are not executive driven. Many are used at promotional events such as golf tournaments where the players are given a courtesy car for the time of the tournament. In many states, they cannot be registered as new due to the mileage. While you can be the first retail buyer, you are not buying new and I personally would want to see something in writing about the length of the warranty. Obviously, if your not going to keep the car more than two or three years, it would be a moot point.
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Updating my situation, as it changed unexpectedly yesterday. Regarding the warranty status and date of service, it seems that there was some confusion on the dealer's part. Although we were considering a lease, and the dealer advertised a lease as though this is a "new" vehicle (brasshat or not), we decided to purchase instead.
Basically, when I informed them of intent to purchase, I was told this would now be a CPO vehicle. So the warranty started in November 2014 (new car) and the CPO warranty will now go until November 2019 and unlimited miles.
At first I was a little ticked off, but then I realized this seems to be better. The "A" service was already done and I get the same 4 year warranty (plus a couple months) as new vehicle would. A little strange, because I wonder if we would have leased when they were going to tell me this, but the dealer is good and I've worked with them before. Just a little misunderstanding I'm thinking.
Basically, when I informed them of intent to purchase, I was told this would now be a CPO vehicle. So the warranty started in November 2014 (new car) and the CPO warranty will now go until November 2019 and unlimited miles.
At first I was a little ticked off, but then I realized this seems to be better. The "A" service was already done and I get the same 4 year warranty (plus a couple months) as new vehicle would. A little strange, because I wonder if we would have leased when they were going to tell me this, but the dealer is good and I've worked with them before. Just a little misunderstanding I'm thinking.
There was no "misunderstanding" unless you have a salesman who just started last week. They deal with these daily and if not the salesman, certainly the manager knew how the warranty works. As long as you were leasing, the warranty was a moot point on most lease scenarios as it would always be in warranty.
These vehicles are being heavily discounted to move inventory for the GLE. There are a couple of people on this Forum reporting $10,000 discounts on new units and I received $9,000 last month with a one and accepted offer on a much less expensive vehicle. From experience, I can assure you the dealer receives a substantial discount for a unit with 6,000 plus miles. In my opinion, your paying 3-4 thousand too much. But, if you don't care, awfully nice vehicle you will enjoy.
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Congratulations on your purcahse - it is not your fault whatsoever that the term "brass hat" is so loosely and often inappropriately used - and that you have a great vehicle under CPO.
CPO warranty is registered into the MB "VMI" system - which has your ownership information, original in service date for the vehicle, and master service record.
Keep the beat !
CPO warranty is registered into the MB "VMI" system - which has your ownership information, original in service date for the vehicle, and master service record.
Keep the beat !
