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Air filters
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Air filters
Has anybody figured out what is the best performing filter for an S500, facory, K&N or ITG?
I saw a copy of a test on this board showing the K&N to actually flow less than stock, but the flow areas for each filter, which makes the results suspect to me.
How about the ITG ones that Ferrari uses?
Thanks
I saw a copy of a test on this board showing the K&N to actually flow less than stock, but the flow areas for each filter, which makes the results suspect to me.
How about the ITG ones that Ferrari uses?
Thanks
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I can't speak for Ferraris but I use an ITG on my C-Coupe and with stock boost I get 1 HP more than stock, the K&N lost .1 HP. With additional boost from a pulley kit they both do about 3 HP. To me this means the factory filter is likely adequate for an unmodified car. Put a blower on your car and you can probably benefit from these filters.
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BMC Filters
Sorry, I meant to ask about the BMC filters. Those are the ones Ferrari puts in their cars. In that K&N filter test, the filter sizes are different from stock dimension, which could account for the flow difference.
Anyone tried the BMC filters?
Anyone tried the BMC filters?
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Re: BMC Filters
Originally posted by Crankin
Sorry, I meant to ask about the BMC filters. Those are the ones Ferrari puts in their cars. In that K&N filter test, the filter sizes are different from stock dimension, which could account for the flow difference.
Anyone tried the BMC filters?
Sorry, I meant to ask about the BMC filters. Those are the ones Ferrari puts in their cars. In that K&N filter test, the filter sizes are different from stock dimension, which could account for the flow difference.
Anyone tried the BMC filters?
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I'll be sure to buy a BMC filter when I get an M3. Dont' think it would buy anywhere near as much or at all on an unmodified MB. The problem is who's going to step up and do a dyno. You should do it collectively for a certain model that way it doesn't cost $75 for one person. What if this filter lost power? I can tell you that from my experience with K&N, I've gained power on some cars (Mustang and Suburban) and lost power on some cars (MR2 and stock C230K).
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Evosport apparently has ordered the BMC filters for the S class and will test them on a dyno to determine if they are of benefit. Hopefully, they will be.
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Originally posted by Turbo][
I really like the looks for the CDA. Hopefully they will have something for the W210s.
I really like the looks for the CDA. Hopefully they will have something for the W210s.
Mark Cummins will be installing the first prototype on his W210.
Contact your BMC dealer for more information.
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Originally posted by Crankin
Evosport apparently has ordered the BMC filters for the S class and will test them on a dyno to determine if they are of benefit. Hopefully, they will be.
Evosport apparently has ordered the BMC filters for the S class and will test them on a dyno to determine if they are of benefit. Hopefully, they will be.
So any free-flowing filter should be better than the paper type that most manufacturers use.
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1999 ML430
I have been considering upgrading to the performance air filters (K&N, BMC, whatever's best) on my 2001 SLK320 Sport, and can't figure out how to even get to the air filters to replace them.
Does the engine cover have to be removed? Can someone help me out with some instructions? (Yes I am mechanically inclined, however this is my first Mercedes... last 2 vehicles were Nissans and were quite simple to figure out.)
All advice is highly appreciated!
Thanks!
Does the engine cover have to be removed? Can someone help me out with some instructions? (Yes I am mechanically inclined, however this is my first Mercedes... last 2 vehicles were Nissans and were quite simple to figure out.)
All advice is highly appreciated!
Thanks!
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I didn't dyno my car, but I tested it at the track, here are the results
My vote goes for K&N after all the controversy, I've used them in all my cars and I've always seen improvements on response and exonomy (mpg). I can't speak for BMC filters since I've never used them, they must be good too.
My vote goes for K&N after all the controversy, I've used them in all my cars and I've always seen improvements on response and exonomy (mpg). I can't speak for BMC filters since I've never used them, they must be good too.
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W210, W220, W163, W164, C6
I had recently placed an order through AutoWerks Direct for the BMC Carbon Dynamic Airbox (CDA)...Randall @ A.W. gain approx. 5 RWHP in his E320. And he's sending the unit with special A.W. mounting brackets for E320/430...I'm hoping to receive it late next week...I will keep you guys posted.
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Originally posted by AWE
So any free-flowing filter should be better than the paper type that most manufacturers use.
So any free-flowing filter should be better than the paper type that most manufacturers use.
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Well, if you ask a K&N person, the amount of surface area is a secondary concern, they are all about more flow..
Which is true, to a point. But less surface area should also get clogged faster, same amount of air over a smaller surface, right?
I'm concerned about getting enough oil to catch enough dust to limit engine wear, but, going light enough on the oil, so I don't foul the MAF.
I also have an Audi A8L with a v8....many people have have MAF failures attributed to overoiling (many dealers will claim this even if not overoiled).
For my $75k car and my $110k car, I think I'll look elsewhere for a better induction solution.
Greg
Which is true, to a point. But less surface area should also get clogged faster, same amount of air over a smaller surface, right?
I'm concerned about getting enough oil to catch enough dust to limit engine wear, but, going light enough on the oil, so I don't foul the MAF.
I also have an Audi A8L with a v8....many people have have MAF failures attributed to overoiling (many dealers will claim this even if not overoiled).
For my $75k car and my $110k car, I think I'll look elsewhere for a better induction solution.
Greg
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Originally posted by Greg Elmassian
For my $75k car and my $110k car, I think I'll look elsewhere for a better induction solution.
For my $75k car and my $110k car, I think I'll look elsewhere for a better induction solution.
