Hey everyone, i want you to think about this hard, very hard, and of coarse the fact i am putting this in the S-class forum section but lets have a comparison of these three cars.

--S-Class - The S is such an awesome car. There is jsut something about it. I love it soo much. Everytime you sit in it, a person loves teh feeling of the car. I LOVE it. It is my most favorite car. Just the feeling of the car, how it drives, how it looks, how the stearing feels the accelerator, everything is soooo awesome, and it really really makes the driver happy. ITS AWESOME!!!!!! and i think everyone here would ofcoarse agree with me. Everytime i rev that awesome 5.0 302 HP enginei get a feeling, and chills are sent through my body. Its soo strong and quite, its a perfect engine. AND WOW confort. Can't get anybetter!! So much room everywhere in the car!!! Its awesome Here is the scoop. The S-class is an awesome car! BUT


CONS.: First thing, the interior materiel is not up to par. It is in the S600 but look at the price tag. When you are spending 70 grand or more on a car you want something that really reeally feels 70 grand. The S does feel like 70 grand but too much plastic. It needs more leather or other very rare and fine materiels. The X5 i have has excellent quality materiels on the inside, and yet its around 40 grand. Next thing. Reliability. The S has gone into the shop alot. My uncle complains about it alot. He sais he is not happy. He loves everything about the car but there is soo many small things always wrong with the car. This bulb blew or this electronic thing happened. TOOOO many electronic problems. You are spending again 70 grand at least, but you would atleast want something that does not have so mayn small problems. Ofcoarse its going to last you a long time BUT its always going to have small problems! I really really hope that Mercedes-Benz thinks about these things! And final thing, service. Service is OK my uncle gave his S in for service and they gave him a toyota Corola as a rental car. They could have given atleast another BENZ


--LS430 - All i have to say is what a car! Not all people agree with me but i think it is very handsome. I mean not as beautiful as the S but it is such a handsome car. Its has a big wide stance in the front and looks like a expensive luxury car! It is extremely comfortable!!! You go inside and youll feel like your in heaven. Everything about the interior is awesome. The materiel quality, seats, wood everthing!!! And the interior is very handsome and easy to use. the NAVI is all touchtone and high up so your eye does not leave the road. How smart is that. And the seats are soo confortable its awesome. And the same goes with the back. Although you dont have as much leg room in the back as the S its still quite alot. THE S IS THE KING OF SPACE. But there are sooooo many things in the back that the S does not have. Such as massage seats, and a refigerator! How bout that. Driving this is soo fun because it is sooooooooo smooth. So quit you cant hear anything on the outside of the car! the ride is spectacular. Although the handling is not like the S it is a little easier to drive because it is shorter. by about 5 inches! It accelerates very quickly and brakes quickly soo its a great car. Lexus service is the best service ever in the world. They treat you very well like royalty. You can buy one of these beautys for $55,000 the same price as a E500. and you can get it fully loaded for $70,000 the price the Benz and the Bimmer start at!

CONS.: Handling, and how the back looks, kinda funny - THATS IT!

7 series I have not tested yet but will be sceduling one very soon, ill tell you how that goes

I am not even going to mention the A8, Jaguar, and Infiniti. Those cars are good but are not these top machines.





BUT if you ask me, "Musfather when the lease on the S is done what car will you buy", and I would say I would buy a LS430

If Mercedes can fix the problems, than ofcoarse i would get the S, but than they also need to get better service!


-Thanxs alot for reading guys


-Musfather

 

The 2003 S, is supposed to be a good improvement in especially the areas that you have complained about. They have redone the plastics in the interior, made a bigger AC compressor to handle the car better, the electrical glitches have been apprently resolved since 2002, and it will have a new DVD navigation, and some cosmetics done. The door panels inside have been redone for better quality, better quality plastics around the seat and buttons have been used and the revised navi, not touch screen which I think is better than touch screen is supposed to be top notch!!

I personally don't like the looks of the Lexus, but that is personal, but overall I think you wuld have to give the 2003 S a shot and I have a feeling you will not be let down at all....

2003 S is my vote!!

The doo

 

waiting 4 ur 7 series report

 

Slap on some 20s on the LS430, and that **** looks PIMP playa!!!

The LS430 is a great bargain too! #1 in reliability, under 70k with Navigation and ML, and you can even opt for the Ultra Luxury package.

You should checkout Clublexus.com and ask a few questions there.

 

for the LS430, u can also get a no-charge sport suspension as an option (but included with that is a mandatory tire upgrade which is $100 i think). that will help out wit the handling side of things

 

i personally hate the looks of the new ls430 .. thats what switched me to the s600

also i'm waiting for lexus to make a 6.5liter engine

 

Thanxs alot for your help guys and input


-Musfather

 

Survey said : LS 430
I have 94 GS300 and it has 143000 miles , and I am so surprised by the engine and the reliability. Not a single part on the interior has ever broken, and no major engine problem is known untill now. Go to LS 430. I also own the E and it has a lot of problem especially those related to computer system, like self-triggered alarm, etc. Reason I ordered the new E b/c the new E looks amazing, and I don't know about the new E reliability. Hope MB makes improvements.
IT just my opinion.
btw I am waiting for the new 2004 redesign GS300.

 

That is because Lexus is number one in reliability, and have been for many years. I agree though that the body style of the S is much nicer than the LS. But once you hop in the cozy LS, and you take out the arm rest, and read all the controls and air conditioning stuff, and realized you have a BEVERAGE COOLER in your car, you start to wonder... "Am I in heaven?"

BTW, whats up Fvellani? Cool to see another CL guy on the other side of the net.

 

I had a 2000 S500, the car had countless problems. The dealer took it back under the lemon law and I got a 2001 S500, not a single problem. Just one minor thing with the radio which was fixed .

 

Hi - Been lurking here for some time...I own/owned two (S and 7) of the three cars you are looking at, and I recently evaluated all three before making my decisions. Lurking here helped me a great deal, so I thought I'd share my experience with you.

First off, all three are fine cars that are great matches for particular drivers. Among other vehicles, I do own two Sevens, but I am not religious about any make or model. Can't go wrong with any of these cars.

But, since you asked for input and I have over 1000 miles in each of the latest models of all three I thought I'd share my two cents:

Unless you can have the cars for a day or two (or more) don't focus on the electronic amenities, nav, Comand, SVS, etc. Concentrate instead on the performance, handling, comfort, aesthetics, and whatever else your priorities are.

I say this because I don't think there is a great deal of difference between gadgets such as nav, stereo, voice, etc. Also, I feel that test drivers want to spend too much time on a test drive pressing buttons instead of putting the car through its paces.

I also feel that each car you are considering has very different driving characteristics, each suited to an individual's tastes. Because the performance, comfort, and handling are the major differences in these cars, that should be the focus.

Also, regarding the 745: When it comes to test driving the 745, don't focus at all on the iDrive. Ignore it initially. The salespeople know nothing about it - it is the most misunderstood automotive technology today. Plus, while easy to use, it takes a couple hours to fool with. BMW itself doesn't know how to communicate the logic behind iDrive. If you're really interested, see the link

Interesting 745 test drive info if you have no time to play with iDrive

Of course, if you have a day or two with each car, fooling with the gadgets is helpful and fun. If not, my style is to focus on the driving characteristics of the car. Either way, you can't go wrong. I know I had a tough time deciding. (My next decision is between an M Claxx or X5!) Thanks again for all your posts. Enjoy your testing!

 

Thanxs alot for the info bro, It may seem long but i think i am setting up a long a$$ test drive with the 7 series somwhere in October, i am kinda busy before that but when i do I'll let you all know how it goes


Today I was reading a consumer report. The Lexus- all of them said in every area excellent or very good rating. NOTHING lower. and in reliablity they all got excellnts. I went over to the Mercedes and was very disappointed. Some of them got the lowest score possible and the S got the second lowest score.

I think if Mercedes can make there cars more reliable, they pretty much have a perfect machine. Lexus needs to tutor these German car companies



-Musfather

 

Right on - Hate to sound snooty, but reliability is low on my criteria list. I basically by my sedans and coupes for their entertainment value. But, no doubt, if reliability and service were paramount, i'd definitely go lexus.

I thought this time I'd go back to the S-class (usually like to switch marques), but the test drive impressed me.

Let me know this fall what your impressions of your test drive are. If I can answer any questions, feel free to ask.

 

Right on! If I buy a 60k car, I would like to be able to drive the car to the track and back, not to the track and to my mechanic.

 

Guys,
Dont fire me but is the Lexus really nice the way you speak of it?
Cause i'm out to buy a S600/55 or the BMW 760Li, You think i should consider lexus?!
Thanx,

 

Good question bro, it all depends on what you want, now you really wanna spend money. The Benz and the Bimmers your looking at are all over 100k. Now if you wanna lease I sayy ou go for the Benz or the Bimmer, but if this car is a keeper, the Lexus is the way to be




-Musfather

 

Thanx a lot Musfather,
I will be paying cash, I live in the EU. Never really considered Lexus or Audi, Thats why im wondering,
I will be making a decision once the cars ( 760 and S600/55) come out,

Thats why i spend a lotta time here trying to find all possible info from past posts,

It's helping me a lot,
But now im wondering if i should keep a Lexus in my list of selection cause does it match the performance?

Thanx,

 

The LS430 will beat the S500 in performance. I dont think it will match the S600. And it is pretty equal with the 7, give or take .3 seconds, not even. Plus, if you consider the problems you will have with the 7, the LS can continue to drive while you wait stranded for the BMW roadside service. lol.


Here are a few pics of the interior of the LS430. i see you are looking to buy an S600, so you would definetly have A TON OF MONEY left over to get the Ultra Luxury package (cooler in the back) and possibly even a supercharger.

 

sfg

 

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bds

 

yummy

 

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yummmmmm

 

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