What do u guys think of new 2008 Lexus LS600?
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Hey, Sunshine! Are you implying that just because you don't have a w221, you can't talk about it? You seem a bit pretentious with that regard. Please tone it down. I have a nice car; I like it a lot. Your expensive car doesn't make you better than me.
Your posts, I don't know if you or anyone else has noticed it, have been mostly baseless insults directed at the character of other members, and that doesn't fly here. A person is allowed to be wrong in a forum, and you don't have to call them a moron just because, for example, they didn't know that the S550 is known in other places as the S500. This is not a grievous error. I find your lack of maturity and your bad grammar repulsive.
go get a lottery ticket and if u get lucky buy a maybach b**ch then come and talk.
Your posts, I don't know if you or anyone else has noticed it, have been mostly baseless insults directed at the character of other members, and that doesn't fly here. A person is allowed to be wrong in a forum, and you don't have to call them a moron just because, for example, they didn't know that the S550 is known in other places as the S500. This is not a grievous error. I find your lack of maturity and your bad grammar repulsive.
go get a lottery ticket and if u get lucky buy a maybach b**ch then come and talk.
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Rieger it is interesting how you tell us to read the forum, when apparantly you should do the same before spouting out your attacks. I quote myself so you can see that yes, I can admit that some Mercedes have problems and I don't care, nor do many people on this forum. If you hate Mercedes so much do us all a favor, sell your cars to someone who will enjoy them, and kindly remove yourself from mbworld.
Oh i also must thank you because your statement attacking my C240 just demonstrated to the entire board how ignorant you really are.
Oh i also must thank you because your statement attacking my C240 just demonstrated to the entire board how ignorant you really are.
Oh well. Ignorance is bliss.
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BTW, Considering new Chrysler and Mercedes models have newly developed parts which they share, I too would slap a Mercedes sticker on and tell Dodge buyers they're getting Mercedes quality. Wanna hear the funny part? Initial quality tests rate Dodge higher then Mercedes.
Dont be fooled by Mercedes knock-offs, insist on OEM Mopar parts
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When someone says that MB's are a POS since 2000 means that they are having many problems with their vehicles more than other manufacturers, it should be obvious that not every single vehicle produced by MB is a lemon because it would be almost next to impossible to do that from a manufacturing standpoint.
Final say in the industry is JD Power and Consumer Reports. That is what consumers and manufacturers use especially JD Power. It is only you guys who refuse to accept that. Many of the studies by JD Power are paid by manufacturers.
Here is an article from the autochanel regarding recalls:
FRANKFURT, March 31, 2005; Reuters reported that U.S.-German carmaker DaimlerChrysler is recalling 1.3 million Mercedes cars of several model ranges worldwide to fix problems with alternators and batteries, it said in a statement on Thursday. On vehicles with six and eight-cylinder petrol engines built between June 2001 and Nov. 2004, the voltage regulator in the alternator is being checked and if necessary replaced, Daimler said. On E-class and CLS-class models made from Jan. 2002 to Jan. 2005, new battery control software is to be installed. In addition the braking system on the current E-class, SL-class and CLS-class models made since June 2001 are also to be updated, it said.
So if you think that MB only has a few reliability problems I would say that it is having a lot of reliability problems along with S-class w220 rusting problems.
Final say in the industry is JD Power and Consumer Reports. That is what consumers and manufacturers use especially JD Power. It is only you guys who refuse to accept that. Many of the studies by JD Power are paid by manufacturers.
Here is an article from the autochanel regarding recalls:
FRANKFURT, March 31, 2005; Reuters reported that U.S.-German carmaker DaimlerChrysler is recalling 1.3 million Mercedes cars of several model ranges worldwide to fix problems with alternators and batteries, it said in a statement on Thursday. On vehicles with six and eight-cylinder petrol engines built between June 2001 and Nov. 2004, the voltage regulator in the alternator is being checked and if necessary replaced, Daimler said. On E-class and CLS-class models made from Jan. 2002 to Jan. 2005, new battery control software is to be installed. In addition the braking system on the current E-class, SL-class and CLS-class models made since June 2001 are also to be updated, it said.
So if you think that MB only has a few reliability problems I would say that it is having a lot of reliability problems along with S-class w220 rusting problems.
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From: West Michigan
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When someone says that MB's are a POS since 2000 means that they are having many problems with their vehicles more than other manufacturers, it should be obvious that not every single vehicle produced by MB is a lemon because it would be almost next to impossible to do that from a manufacturing standpoint.
Final say in the industry is JD Power and Consumer Reports. That is what consumers and manufacturers use especially JD Power. It is only you guys who refuse to accept that. Many of the studies by JD Power are paid by manufacturers.
Final say in the industry is JD Power and Consumer Reports. That is what consumers and manufacturers use especially JD Power. It is only you guys who refuse to accept that. Many of the studies by JD Power are paid by manufacturers.
JD Power and Consumer Reports DO NOT seal the deal for me when buying cars. If you let some magazines (one who also reviews toasters and microwaves) and some company who hands out surveys for people to fill out to decide your fate...
Which leads me to another point: How do we know those filling out the surveys are telling the 100% truth? Our government and nation as a whole are based on telling the truth, but that doesn't seem to work too well in certain instances does it?
Here is an article from the autochanel regarding recalls:
FRANKFURT, March 31, 2005; Reuters reported that U.S.-German carmaker DaimlerChrysler is recalling 1.3 million Mercedes cars of several model ranges worldwide to fix problems with alternators and batteries, it said in a statement on Thursday. On vehicles with six and eight-cylinder petrol engines built between June 2001 and Nov. 2004, the voltage regulator in the alternator is being checked and if necessary replaced, Daimler said. On E-class and CLS-class models made from Jan. 2002 to Jan. 2005, new battery control software is to be installed. In addition the braking system on the current E-class, SL-class and CLS-class models made since June 2001 are also to be updated, it said.
FRANKFURT, March 31, 2005; Reuters reported that U.S.-German carmaker DaimlerChrysler is recalling 1.3 million Mercedes cars of several model ranges worldwide to fix problems with alternators and batteries, it said in a statement on Thursday. On vehicles with six and eight-cylinder petrol engines built between June 2001 and Nov. 2004, the voltage regulator in the alternator is being checked and if necessary replaced, Daimler said. On E-class and CLS-class models made from Jan. 2002 to Jan. 2005, new battery control software is to be installed. In addition the braking system on the current E-class, SL-class and CLS-class models made since June 2001 are also to be updated, it said.
http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...a_recalls.html
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/19/5...uspension-fix/
http://www6.autonet.ca/Maintenance/R...3/1533058.html
http://jalopnik.com/cars/news/lexus-...lts-167398.php
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/to...ses-131194.php
So if you think that MB only has a few reliability problems I would say that it is having a lot of reliability problems along with S-class w220 rusting problems.
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Oh wow I guess Mercedes-Benz is the only company to ever have a recall. Let's see...a quick google search revealed that Lexus has had recalls in the past several years concerning seat belts, automatic transmissions, and oh air bags. Wow good for them, they must really build safe reliable cars too.
FACE IT, ALL CAR COMPANIES CAN HAVE PROBLEMS AT SOME POINT.
FACE IT, ALL CAR COMPANIES CAN HAVE PROBLEMS AT SOME POINT.
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I am so resisting the urge to tell rieger to F*** off.
....just kidding.
or am i?
....just kidding.
or am i?
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Nothing right now- am in college.
Hey, Sunshine! Are you implying that just because you don't have a w221, you can't talk about it? You seem a bit pretentious with that regard. Please tone it down. I have a nice car; I like it a lot. Your expensive car doesn't make you better than me.
Your posts, I don't know if you or anyone else has noticed it, have been mostly baseless insults directed at the character of other members, and that doesn't fly here. A person is allowed to be wrong in a forum, and you don't have to call them a moron just because, for example, they didn't know that the S550 is known in other places as the S500. This is not a grievous error. I find your lack of maturity and your bad grammar repulsive.
go get a lottery ticket and if u get lucky buy a maybach b**ch then come and talk.
Your posts, I don't know if you or anyone else has noticed it, have been mostly baseless insults directed at the character of other members, and that doesn't fly here. A person is allowed to be wrong in a forum, and you don't have to call them a moron just because, for example, they didn't know that the S550 is known in other places as the S500. This is not a grievous error. I find your lack of maturity and your bad grammar repulsive.
go get a lottery ticket and if u get lucky buy a maybach b**ch then come and talk.
Originally Posted by dr.skp.ortho
Feet huh? You have got to be the most ignorant waste of air I have come across....at least you gave me a good laugh.
Ortho = orthodontist b..tch!
Ortho = orthodontist b..tch!
And when he said, "you'll never have the brains to own won [sic]",talking about a w221, that is absolutely inappropriate. If, perchance, someone agrees with him, what would that person say to voice their support?
Originally Posted by Dumbass
yeah i hayt poor ppl cuz there so dumb
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Oh wow I guess Mercedes-Benz is the only company to ever have a recall. Let's see...a quick google search revealed that Lexus has had recalls in the past several years concerning seat belts, automatic transmissions, and oh air bags. Wow good for them, they must really build safe reliable cars too.
FACE IT, ALL CAR COMPANIES CAN HAVE PROBLEMS AT SOME POINT.
FACE IT, ALL CAR COMPANIES CAN HAVE PROBLEMS AT SOME POINT.
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I agree. My point was that
. . .Be serious. It was perfectly reasonable to assume that "ortho" meant orthopedic, or orthodonic. And calling him/her a b***h was completely unnecessary. It didn't even fit with the flow of the comment. When a doctor can't think of anything to say other than *** and b***h, I fear for the state of our medical industry.
And when he said, "you'll never have the brains to own won [sic]",talking about a w221, that is absolutely inappropriate. If, perchance, someone agrees with him, what would that person say to voice their support?
ortho's position is entirely indefensible. Am I dumb, ortho? Do I not have "the brains to own won"? I have a lowly Jeep. I worship you. Oh lord, can I ever be as articulate and verbose as ortho?
. . .Be serious. It was perfectly reasonable to assume that "ortho" meant orthopedic, or orthodonic. And calling him/her a b***h was completely unnecessary. It didn't even fit with the flow of the comment. When a doctor can't think of anything to say other than *** and b***h, I fear for the state of our medical industry.
And when he said, "you'll never have the brains to own won [sic]",talking about a w221, that is absolutely inappropriate. If, perchance, someone agrees with him, what would that person say to voice their support?
ortho's position is entirely indefensible. Am I dumb, ortho? Do I not have "the brains to own won"? I have a lowly Jeep. I worship you. Oh lord, can I ever be as articulate and verbose as ortho?
And on behalf of our medical industry I apologise for the state of your mind...u should have been certified long ago!!!!
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If you can't stand me or the argument without telling me to F off then why don't you leave the thread yourself. I am enjoying myself with this debate and as long as someone wants to debate this topic I will do so. I am not afraid to debate this topic because unlike some of you I will apologize when I am wrong and when I am right I will b*tch on.
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Another goddam troll who doesnt drive an w221 let alone a Merc and coming on here to "enlighten" us with his enormous experience with high end vehicles.
And on behalf of our medical industry I apologise for the state of your mind...u should have been certified long ago!!!!
And on behalf of our medical industry I apologise for the state of your mind...u should have been certified long ago!!!!
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If you can't stand me or the argument without telling me to F off then why don't you leave the thread yourself. I am enjoying myself with this debate and as long as someone wants to debate this topic I will do so. I am not afraid to debate this topic because unlike some of you I will apologize when I am wrong and when I am right I will b*tch on.
lol
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You seem to be getting in many feuds lately. 
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LS is a perfect car for typical urban driving conditions. At times i think engineers in Japan had NYC in mind then they designed LS.
I can only assume the majority of MB owners on this site live in or around some of the major US cities and have to drive like most in stop and go traffic. I, for instance, spend 1.5 hours a day to drive 15 miles to work, with an average speed of approximately 16 miles an hour. I don't remember the last time I've driven over 80 mph but i do appreciate the comfort and the quietness of my LS everytime i'm on the road.
If I was living somewhere out in the country with access to an empty highway I'd probably drive an S500 or 745 but here in NYC LS crowns over all.
Regarding the original question, I think LS460 and especially LS600h will continue to take away from MB and BMW sales. Luxury car manufacturers sell most of their cars in cities with lots of wealth. These days major urban cities have strong preference to Lexus. Our carpool lanes are called "Lexus" lanes, what are yours called?
I can only assume the majority of MB owners on this site live in or around some of the major US cities and have to drive like most in stop and go traffic. I, for instance, spend 1.5 hours a day to drive 15 miles to work, with an average speed of approximately 16 miles an hour. I don't remember the last time I've driven over 80 mph but i do appreciate the comfort and the quietness of my LS everytime i'm on the road.
If I was living somewhere out in the country with access to an empty highway I'd probably drive an S500 or 745 but here in NYC LS crowns over all.
Regarding the original question, I think LS460 and especially LS600h will continue to take away from MB and BMW sales. Luxury car manufacturers sell most of their cars in cities with lots of wealth. These days major urban cities have strong preference to Lexus. Our carpool lanes are called "Lexus" lanes, what are yours called?
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Not saying MB is the only one to have recalls but there recalls are for major components such as BRAKE SYSTEM Failure in E-class, radiator and tranny in E-class and other component such as the ones mentioned in the article and 1.3million cars is a big ratio compared to how many MB sells. Toyota and lexus has recalls also but the ratio of recalls to cars sold is considerable less hence the the everyone is looking at MB's problems.
SBC failures, actual failures were very few and far between, and the recall was prompted by German taxicab drivers who stressed the hell out of the system to the point of finding fault with it. If you'd bother to actually make an informed post (i.e. doing some research before hand) you'd know this. Instead of risking problems later down the line when regular drivers accumulated such mileage they decided to recall all of them now rather than risk something much worse later. That said, any kind of brake problem in excusable and of course is dangerous, but you're constant harping about Mercedes' problems (past problems at that) is just plain lame at this point. You're ill-informed and only have one song to sing over and over, and I have to wonder why you're even here. What is the point? Everyone with common sense knows that Mercedes' quality went down the tubes every since the first generation ML hit the ground and it is just now showing some real signs of improving. Why not wait until the 2007 models data is in before making such vast assumptions about the W221 or any other 07 Mercedes? That is what a objective, level headed person would do, one without a vendetta against MB.
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Wolverine, was your sig there before because if it was I missed it and It look awesome. It could also be that I just got home and am a little drunk and that blue SL looks particularly stunning.
btw, I had my first flat tire tonight. I came out of the mall and saw it...called MB Roadside, they were there in 20 mins, in a beautiful brand new ML350, really nice guy from my dealership changed my tire. It was around 9:30 too, past the time the dealer was closed, he said they have someone on call everynight and MB just calles the closest one. After having to fight Audi to help my sister I love MB even more for the ease of this roadside call tonight. I love them and will buy them for the rest of my life.
btw, I had my first flat tire tonight. I came out of the mall and saw it...called MB Roadside, they were there in 20 mins, in a beautiful brand new ML350, really nice guy from my dealership changed my tire. It was around 9:30 too, past the time the dealer was closed, he said they have someone on call everynight and MB just calles the closest one. After having to fight Audi to help my sister I love MB even more for the ease of this roadside call tonight. I love them and will buy them for the rest of my life.
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Audi USA and Audi Canada is even a bigger ***** to deal with. I haven't had the pleasure but our local Audi group complains all the time when dealing with them especially when dealing with warranty on control arms.
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Its not just the high mileage cars that MB wants you to believe that have the brake problems go to the E-class forum and you will see many complaining of brake failure. https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/161722-brake-failure.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...ht=sbc+failure
That is what I am saying that MB is having or had problems and others are saying I am bashing MB or that the facts are biased and MB was not having problems which is not true.
That is a fair statement then that past MB's from 2000-2006 had reliability problems and we will see how the current W221 turns out in a couple of years.
Man you must be another one of those rude insulting americans. No need for insults to start your message just state your debate. If you want to go with insults I can do that all day too.
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...ht=sbc+failure
That is what I am saying that MB is having or had problems and others are saying I am bashing MB or that the facts are biased and MB was not having problems which is not true.
That is a fair statement then that past MB's from 2000-2006 had reliability problems and we will see how the current W221 turns out in a couple of years.
Man you must be another one of those rude insulting americans. No need for insults to start your message just state your debate. If you want to go with insults I can do that all day too.
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Its not just the high mileage cars that MB wants you to believe that have the brake problems go to the E-class forum and you will see many complaining of brake failure. https://mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=161722
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...ht=sbc+failure
That is what I am saying that MB is having or had problems and others are saying I am bashing MB or that the facts are biased and MB was not having problems which is not true.
That is a fair statement then that past MB's from 2000-2006 had reliability problems and we will see how the current W221 turns out in a couple of years.
Man you must be another one of those rude insulting americans. No need for insults to start your message just state your debate. If you want to go with insults I can do that all day too.
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...ht=sbc+failure
That is what I am saying that MB is having or had problems and others are saying I am bashing MB or that the facts are biased and MB was not having problems which is not true.
That is a fair statement then that past MB's from 2000-2006 had reliability problems and we will see how the current W221 turns out in a couple of years.
Man you must be another one of those rude insulting americans. No need for insults to start your message just state your debate. If you want to go with insults I can do that all day too.
Again, who here said MB didn't have problems? Who? What is your purpose for being here other than to make youself look incredibly stupid?
Lastly, if you had read my post you would have clearly seen where I stated that it was in high-mileage/usage German taxicabs that SBC failed first and prompted the recall.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but the richest man in the world, Bill Gates, had / has a Lexus ES300 
In my garage, there is a 1995 Jag XJ6, 1995 Lexus LS400, 2004 Lexus RX330, and a 2001 MB W210 E430 that I purchased this week, in mint condition with only 37,000 miles (my 5th Benz).
I sure a hell am not going to say anything bad about Lexus, and my E430 is too new to pass judgement yet (although first impressions are favourable).
I'm also not going to get involved in the whole "Lexus sucks !" argument either....each to his/her own. But I will say I'm definitely not a fan of the W221 - the rear is just an ugly Bangle 7 Series rip off, and those pumped out wheelarches look ridiculous. (The front end though is nice).
In my garage, there is a 1995 Jag XJ6, 1995 Lexus LS400, 2004 Lexus RX330, and a 2001 MB W210 E430 that I purchased this week, in mint condition with only 37,000 miles (my 5th Benz).
I sure a hell am not going to say anything bad about Lexus, and my E430 is too new to pass judgement yet (although first impressions are favourable).
I'm also not going to get involved in the whole "Lexus sucks !" argument either....each to his/her own. But I will say I'm definitely not a fan of the W221 - the rear is just an ugly Bangle 7 Series rip off, and those pumped out wheelarches look ridiculous. (The front end though is nice).
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Guys, Chris Bangle did not come up with the clamshell rear. It was shown on the Maybach back in 1997, long before BMW got the idea.
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Wolverine, was your sig there before because if it was I missed it and It look awesome. It could also be that I just got home and am a little drunk and that blue SL looks particularly stunning.
btw, I had my first flat tire tonight. I came out of the mall and saw it...called MB Roadside, they were there in 20 mins, in a beautiful brand new ML350, really nice guy from my dealership changed my tire. It was around 9:30 too, past the time the dealer was closed, he said they have someone on call everynight and MB just calles the closest one. After having to fight Audi to help my sister I love MB even more for the ease of this roadside call tonight. I love them and will buy them for the rest of my life.
btw, I had my first flat tire tonight. I came out of the mall and saw it...called MB Roadside, they were there in 20 mins, in a beautiful brand new ML350, really nice guy from my dealership changed my tire. It was around 9:30 too, past the time the dealer was closed, he said they have someone on call everynight and MB just calles the closest one. After having to fight Audi to help my sister I love MB even more for the ease of this roadside call tonight. I love them and will buy them for the rest of my life.
