Even if he still didn't know about the model nomenclature between the W220 and W221, he still would have been wrong. The old 5.0L engine made 302hp, not 285. He would have been wrong both ways. The 4.3L engine made 275hp though.

He seems to have missed the 2+ times I've admitted that as well.

Oh well. Ignorance is bliss.

"Mopar Powered" was referring to the mentality driving the decline in quality.

BTW, Considering new Chrysler and Mercedes models have newly developed parts which they share, I too would slap a Mercedes sticker on and tell Dodge buyers they're getting Mercedes quality. Wanna hear the funny part? Initial quality tests rate Dodge higher then Mercedes.

Dont be fooled by Mercedes knock-offs, insist on OEM Mopar parts

When someone says that MB's are a POS since 2000 means that they are having many problems with their vehicles more than other manufacturers, it should be obvious that not every single vehicle produced by MB is a lemon because it would be almost next to impossible to do that from a manufacturing standpoint.
Final say in the industry is JD Power and Consumer Reports. That is what consumers and manufacturers use especially JD Power. It is only you guys who refuse to accept that. Many of the studies by JD Power are paid by manufacturers.
Here is an article from the autochanel regarding recalls:

FRANKFURT, March 31, 2005; Reuters reported that U.S.-German carmaker DaimlerChrysler is recalling 1.3 million Mercedes cars of several model ranges worldwide to fix problems with alternators and batteries, it said in a statement on Thursday. On vehicles with six and eight-cylinder petrol engines built between June 2001 and Nov. 2004, the voltage regulator in the alternator is being checked and if necessary replaced, Daimler said. On E-class and CLS-class models made from Jan. 2002 to Jan. 2005, new battery control software is to be installed. In addition the braking system on the current E-class, SL-class and CLS-class models made since June 2001 are also to be updated, it said.

So if you think that MB only has a few reliability problems I would say that it is having a lot of reliability problems along with S-class w220 rusting problems.

You mean I unknowingly used JD Power and Consumer Reports?!

JD Power and Consumer Reports DO NOT seal the deal for me when buying cars. If you let some magazines (one who also reviews toasters and microwaves) and some company who hands out surveys for people to fill out to decide your fate... Which leads me to another point: How do we know those filling out the surveys are telling the 100% truth? Our government and nation as a whole are based on telling the truth, but that doesn't seem to work too well in certain instances does it?

Woohoo! Looky here, I can copy and paste from Google searched articles!

http://www.consumeraffairs.com/news0...a_recalls.html
http://www.autoblog.com/2007/01/19/5...uspension-fix/
http://www6.autonet.ca/Maintenance/R...3/1533058.html
http://jalopnik.com/cars/news/lexus-...lts-167398.php
http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/news/to...ses-131194.php

When a recall is issued, it means the company is admitting it's mistakes, and is trying to solve the problem. MB isn't giving us the cold shoulder or anything.

Oh wow I guess Mercedes-Benz is the only company to ever have a recall. Let's see...a quick google search revealed that Lexus has had recalls in the past several years concerning seat belts, automatic transmissions, and oh air bags. Wow good for them, they must really build safe reliable cars too.

FACE IT, ALL CAR COMPANIES CAN HAVE PROBLEMS AT SOME POINT.

I am so resisting the urge to tell rieger to F*** off.



....just kidding.


or am i?

I agree. My point was that
. . .Be serious. It was perfectly reasonable to assume that "ortho" meant orthopedic, or orthodonic. And calling him/her a b***h was completely unnecessary. It didn't even fit with the flow of the comment. When a doctor can't think of anything to say other than *** and b***h, I fear for the state of our medical industry.

And when he said, "you'll never have the brains to own won [sic]",talking about a w221, that is absolutely inappropriate. If, perchance, someone agrees with him, what would that person say to voice their support?
ortho's position is entirely indefensible. Am I dumb, ortho? Do I not have "the brains to own won"? I have a lowly Jeep. I worship you. Oh lord, can I ever be as articulate and verbose as ortho?

Not saying MB is the only one to have recalls but there recalls are for major components such as BRAKE SYSTEM Failure in E-class, radiator and tranny in E-class and other component such as the ones mentioned in the article and 1.3million cars is a big ratio compared to how many MB sells. Toyota and lexus has recalls also but the ratio of recalls to cars sold is considerable less hence the the everyone is looking at MB's problems.

Another goddam troll who doesnt drive an w221 let alone a Merc and coming on here to "enlighten" us with his enormous experience with high end vehicles.

And on behalf of our medical industry I apologise for the state of your mind...u should have been certified long ago!!!!

If you can't stand me or the argument without telling me to F off then why don't you leave the thread yourself. I am enjoying myself with this debate and as long as someone wants to debate this topic I will do so. I am not afraid to debate this topic because unlike some of you I will apologize when I am wrong and when I am right I will b*tch on.

Keep going for the whole world to see your snobby insulting personality. And what are you a psychologist now?

lol

That a boy lighten up you will live longer.

Maybe YOU should be considered about YOUR life expectancy. You seem to be getting in many feuds lately.

Got any sales figures to back this up because it sounds like BS to me. Lexus is no more popular than Mercedes or BMW and in fact they probably aren't as popular. The Lexus LS isn't the only car that gives a smooth, quiet, comfortable ride. This whole mindset or implication that Lexus is the only car capable of doing this is just plain bull. A S-Class rides just as good if not better and it handles better also. BMW, different story, not as quiet and certainly not as smooth, but Mercedes surely is if not more so and it doesn't lean and keel over when asked to change directions like a Lexus does, while still providing a heavenly ride.

M

See here is the problem with you people such as yourself. You can't seem to understand anything unless it is spelled out for you by Consumer Reports or JD Powers or by a headline such as the one you've given about Mercedes brake recall.

SBC failures, actual failures were very few and far between, and the recall was prompted by German taxicab drivers who stressed the hell out of the system to the point of finding fault with it. If you'd bother to actually make an informed post (i.e. doing some research before hand) you'd know this. Instead of risking problems later down the line when regular drivers accumulated such mileage they decided to recall all of them now rather than risk something much worse later. That said, any kind of brake problem in excusable and of course is dangerous, but you're constant harping about Mercedes' problems (past problems at that) is just plain lame at this point. You're ill-informed and only have one song to sing over and over, and I have to wonder why you're even here. What is the point? Everyone with common sense knows that Mercedes' quality went down the tubes every since the first generation ML hit the ground and it is just now showing some real signs of improving. Why not wait until the 2007 models data is in before making such vast assumptions about the W221 or any other 07 Mercedes? That is what a objective, level headed person would do, one without a vendetta against MB.

M

Good points Germancar1!

Wolverine, was your sig there before because if it was I missed it and It look awesome. It could also be that I just got home and am a little drunk and that blue SL looks particularly stunning.

btw, I had my first flat tire tonight. I came out of the mall and saw it...called MB Roadside, they were there in 20 mins, in a beautiful brand new ML350, really nice guy from my dealership changed my tire. It was around 9:30 too, past the time the dealer was closed, he said they have someone on call everynight and MB just calles the closest one. After having to fight Audi to help my sister I love MB even more for the ease of this roadside call tonight. I love them and will buy them for the rest of my life.

Audi USA and Audi Canada is even a bigger ***** to deal with. I haven't had the pleasure but our local Audi group complains all the time when dealing with them especially when dealing with warranty on control arms.

Its not just the high mileage cars that MB wants you to believe that have the brake problems go to the E-class forum and you will see many complaining of brake failure. https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/161722-brake-failure.html
https://mbworld.org/forums/showthrea...ht=sbc+failure

That is what I am saying that MB is having or had problems and others are saying I am bashing MB or that the facts are biased and MB was not having problems which is not true.
That is a fair statement then that past MB's from 2000-2006 had reliability problems and we will see how the current W221 turns out in a couple of years.

Man you must be another one of those rude insulting americans. No need for insults to start your message just state your debate. If you want to go with insults I can do that all day too.

First, off if you bothered to read my post I clearly stated that brake failures from regular users were far and few between, not that they didn't happen period. Not sure how you missed that. Again, what is your point here? We all know Mercedes has had their problems. No it isn't a fair statment to say that the W221 will likely be unreliable because of the W220, because the W221 is an all-new car, not based on anything W220. Again, you're ill-informed and totally factless. It seems to me that you're another clueless MB basher that really needs to get a life or at least some knowledge beyond Consumer Reports and JD Powers. You found 2 cases out of millions of cars with SBC on the road, applause please. Lets strike up the band.

Again, who here said MB didn't have problems? Who? What is your purpose for being here other than to make youself look incredibly stupid?

Lastly, if you had read my post you would have clearly seen where I stated that it was in high-mileage/usage German taxicabs that SBC failed first and prompted the recall.

M

Hate to burst your bubble, but the richest man in the world, Bill Gates, had / has a Lexus ES300

In my garage, there is a 1995 Jag XJ6, 1995 Lexus LS400, 2004 Lexus RX330, and a 2001 MB W210 E430 that I purchased this week, in mint condition with only 37,000 miles (my 5th Benz).

I sure a hell am not going to say anything bad about Lexus, and my E430 is too new to pass judgement yet (although first impressions are favourable).

I'm also not going to get involved in the whole "Lexus sucks !" argument either....each to his/her own. But I will say I'm definitely not a fan of the W221 - the rear is just an ugly Bangle 7 Series rip off, and those pumped out wheelarches look ridiculous. (The front end though is nice).

Guys, Chris Bangle did not come up with the clamshell rear. It was shown on the Maybach back in 1997, long before BMW got the idea.

M

It wasnt there before! MB Roadside is great, I had a flat tire and they came and changed it ASAP.