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Then again I drive it like a 16 year old with his first license.....
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i can tell you why *i* went the s450 route instead of the s560 line. why not? after 25yrs+ of always buying the top of the line engine in these s-class cars - i thought - what the hell? why not try the new 6 cylinder. as streamliner says - the 560 has way more power than anyone can use - and i find - even in and around the hills of pittsburgh - the s450 has plenty of power. plus the local dealer is giving them away with crazy-assed incentive deals. so why not save a buck? and try something new? i love the car after almost 6mos of ownership - flawless. i’m never wanting for more of anything as this car is loaded up with standard equipment equivalent to the 560 as the only diff this year is engine displacement. everything else is equivalent between the two - unlike previous years. and i could care less about decklid number envy; those days of comparing my decklid “size’ to others are waaay over. love the car. plus it was in stock. and i don't have to wait 6mos for something that i can drive now. every day. besides - if i hated it - i trade it for the 560. but that couldn't be further from the truth; it’s boss. so there you go. carry on, lads. nothing more to see here.
Amen brother!
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Please let us know how you find it. That's where I am with the 450 vs the 560LWB. The LWB is overkill for me, as is the 560 engine. I find it funny how in markets like China, the base model (gas) is the S350, and even the 450 they have is not turbocharged. We are wayyyy overdoing it with engines here in NA, especially the fact that there is nothing (at least here in Canada) that you cannot get in the 450 vs the 560! (other than the engine of course)
2 less spark plugs to change on the 450, and of course it comes with an oil dipstick. As someone who works on my own cars, I think the 450 is easier to handle. I believe the 560 is the hot V turbo, and that is yet to be proven reliability wise (I could be wrong here).
I believe the main drawback is the stop start is rougher with the V6, but I'm defeating that anyways.
The best part? Gee, the V8 gets to 60 .3 seconds faster. That has got to be the worst 17,000$ difference in a sedan that I have seen and while on paper MPG for the V6 is close to the V8, as per C&D, it's 3mpg better. (I don't care about fuel mileage, but I know some people care so putting it on my post here)
2 less spark plugs to change on the 450, and of course it comes with an oil dipstick. As someone who works on my own cars, I think the 450 is easier to handle. I believe the 560 is the hot V turbo, and that is yet to be proven reliability wise (I could be wrong here).
I believe the main drawback is the stop start is rougher with the V6, but I'm defeating that anyways.
The best part? Gee, the V8 gets to 60 .3 seconds faster. That has got to be the worst 17,000$ difference in a sedan that I have seen and while on paper MPG for the V6 is close to the V8, as per C&D, it's 3mpg better. (I don't care about fuel mileage, but I know some people care so putting it on my post here)
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I was on the Mercedes Benz Hong Kong site last night, and looking at what I believe are the HP/Torque figures (I can't read Mandarin), the S450 does not appear to be the M276 DELA 30 twin turbo motor. The HP/Torque figures appear to be less, as is the relevant hp/torque bands. This suggests to me that it isn't turbocharged, so my guess is that it is, of course the M276 motor, but not turbo'd.
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Well, alleluia! My S450 arrived at the dealer in Des Moines today. I will take delivery Friday since I’m not getting back home until early Thursday evening.
The salesman man took a few photos and I really like the looks. How do I send these photos to you folks from a text? It’s been so long since I sent photos to this site that I imagine things have changed and hopefully it’s very easy.
The salesman man took a few photos and I really like the looks. How do I send these photos to you folks from a text? It’s been so long since I sent photos to this site that I imagine things have changed and hopefully it’s very easy.
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Well, alleluia! My S450 arrived at the dealer in Des Moines today. I will take delivery Friday since I’m not getting back home until early Thursday evening.
The salesman man took a few photos and I really like the looks. How do I send these photos to you folks from a text? It’s been so long since I sent photos to this site that I imagine things have changed and hopefully it’s very easy.
The salesman man took a few photos and I really like the looks. How do I send these photos to you folks from a text? It’s been so long since I sent photos to this site that I imagine things have changed and hopefully it’s very easy.
It's not easy. You have to download the photos and upload it into the site one by one
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I went with the S450 for several reasons. I don’t need all that power. The S450 seems to have more power than the 2014 S550. It has all the options of the S560. You can go further on a full tank of gas. So, why should I pay $10-15K more for a bigger engine? I’m not the racing type.
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I went with the S450 for several reasons. I don’t need all that power. The S450 seems to have more power than the 2014 S550. It has all the options of the S560. You can go further on a full tank of gas. So, why should I pay $10-15K more for a bigger engine? I’m not the racing type.
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I went with the S450 for several reasons. I don’t need all that power. The S450 seems to have more power than the 2014 S550. It has all the options of the S560. You can go further on a full tank of gas. So, why should I pay $10-15K more for a bigger engine? I’m not the racing type.
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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...50-test-review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ll-wheel-drive
You gotta look at real world numbers.
That said, even the MB website shows a bigger difference than 0.3 secs
https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehic.../bodystyle-SDN
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Last edited by Germancar1; Sep 25, 2018 at 05:04 PM.
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Not true at all, it's more like a full second in actual testing. The S560 4Matic hits 60 mph in 4.2 secs. The S450 4Matic does it in 5.4 secs.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...50-test-review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ll-wheel-drive
You gotta look at real world numbers.
That said, even the MB website shows a bigger difference than 0.3 secs
https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehic.../bodystyle-SDN
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https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...50-test-review
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ll-wheel-drive
You gotta look at real world numbers.
That said, even the MB website shows a bigger difference than 0.3 secs
https://www.mbusa.com/mercedes/vehic.../bodystyle-SDN
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https://www.mercedes-benz.ca/en/vehi.../s-class/sedan
4.9 s for the S460, and 4.6 s for the S560
And if we're going to look at real world, it should be worth noting C&D indicated a 3mpg increase for the 460 vs the 560, if fuel efficiency and saving panda bears if your thing
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Not so in Canada, and the one in Canada has just been updated to the 2019 models.
https://www.mercedes-benz.ca/en/vehi.../s-class/sedan
4.9 s for the S460, and 4.6 s for the S560
And if we're going to look at real world, it should be worth noting C&D indicated a 3mpg increase for the 460 vs the 560, if fuel efficiency and saving panda bears if your thing
https://www.mercedes-benz.ca/en/vehi.../s-class/sedan
4.9 s for the S460, and 4.6 s for the S560
And if we're going to look at real world, it should be worth noting C&D indicated a 3mpg increase for the 460 vs the 560, if fuel efficiency and saving panda bears if your thing
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Last edited by Germancar1; Sep 25, 2018 at 06:27 PM.
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Sorry, but that data can't be right. It wouldn't be the first time. You really think that that such a power difference would only yield a .3 sec difference in 0-60/62 mph. Come on man use your head, think about that. C&D has already tested the cars and given you the numbers and there NO difference between the 18' and 19's powertrain wise. You think the difference narrowed to just .3 secs for 2019 with no changes to either the S450 or S560 from 2018? MPG varies by driver and driving style so of course that might not be what anyone says, it's your own personal usage.
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Not sure if there would be much difference but the discussion is between two different models in 2 different countries. In the US the S450 is a Long Wheel Base and in Canada the S450 looks like it is only available in the Short Wheel Base version (or atleast that is what is on the Canada website now). The comparison in this thread has not been apples to apples in the 0-60 mph and the 0-100 kmh, which is another difference.
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Not sure if there would be much difference but the discussion is between two different models in 2 different countries. In the US the S450 is a Long Wheel Base and in Canada the S450 looks like it is only available in the Short Wheel Base version (or atleast that is what is on the Canada website now). The comparison in this thread has not been apples to apples in the 0-60 mph and the 0-100 kmh, which is another difference.
"According to Mercedes Benz Canada, the 2019 S450 SWB is only 0.3 seconds slower from 0 to 100km/hr than a S560 LWB".
There.
Clear as mud.And for the record, does that pass my sniff test? No, but I'm not sure I have any right to say that a well known manufacturer (German, at that!) is "wrong" because of my "gut" feeling.
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Not sure if there would be much difference but the discussion is between two different models in 2 different countries. In the US the S450 is a Long Wheel Base and in Canada the S450 looks like it is only available in the Short Wheel Base version (or atleast that is what is on the Canada website now). The comparison in this thread has not been apples to apples in the 0-60 mph and the 0-100 kmh, which is another difference.
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Last edited by Germancar1; Sep 26, 2018 at 01:55 AM.
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Thanks for the clarification. So if I may revise my statement then.
"According to Mercedes Benz Canada, the 2019 S450 SWB is only 0.3 seconds slower from 0 to 100km/hr than a S560 LWB".
There. Clear as mud.
And for the record, does that pass my sniff test? No, but I'm not sure I have any right to say that a well known manufacturer (German, at that!) is "wrong" because of my "gut" feeling.
"According to Mercedes Benz Canada, the 2019 S450 SWB is only 0.3 seconds slower from 0 to 100km/hr than a S560 LWB".
There.
Clear as mud.And for the record, does that pass my sniff test? No, but I'm not sure I have any right to say that a well known manufacturer (German, at that!) is "wrong" because of my "gut" feeling.
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