I just found this at a MB dealer, thoughts?
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I just found this at a MB dealer, thoughts?
Just in case some don’t know, I’m eager to find a really nice S 560 4matic but I’m a complete Virgin for this car and I’m hoping on a few kind guys here to coach me in this endeavor.
Someone just traded in yesterday. A 2020 560 4matic with 35,550 miles. Not even detailed yet. It appears to be a low optioned car, the original sticker price was $109,690. VIN W1KUG8GB4LA584488 basic Black on Black
The manager hasn’t assigned a price yet as it hasn’t been through the shop to see if it needs anything or qualifies as a CPO car. It has a clean CarFax report too. This manager guesses it will be in the mid to upper $50K at this point. Is this a good deal based on what you now know?
I might as well put this out on the table now, If I’m going for a nice car of this magnitude I feel a few more options then what this car has might be worth more patience. Opinions?
Thank you for your time!
Rich
Someone just traded in yesterday. A 2020 560 4matic with 35,550 miles. Not even detailed yet. It appears to be a low optioned car, the original sticker price was $109,690. VIN W1KUG8GB4LA584488 basic Black on Black
The manager hasn’t assigned a price yet as it hasn’t been through the shop to see if it needs anything or qualifies as a CPO car. It has a clean CarFax report too. This manager guesses it will be in the mid to upper $50K at this point. Is this a good deal based on what you now know?
I might as well put this out on the table now, If I’m going for a nice car of this magnitude I feel a few more options then what this car has might be worth more patience. Opinions?
Thank you for your time!
Rich
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Get the options you want, you will regret not having them. High 50s sounds expensive for that car, my 50k mile 2020 which was fairly low optioned with an MSRP of $123k was listed for $57k, it was in incredible condition. That car should be $50k or so.
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From: Bucks County PA not far from the Delaware River North & East of Philly by an hour.
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The option list:
R17 19” twin 5-spoke wheels
R02 All season tires
L2D Wood/leather steering wheel
K38 factory code
936 factory code
8U6 Factory code
8U0 factory code
810 Burmester Surround sound
51U. Black cloth headliner
443 Heated Steering wheel
413 panorama Sunroof
22P lane Tracking package code
1B4 factory code
085 factory code
050 Half model year - factory code.
It probably isn’t anything but I’m curious about these “factory codes” listed
R17 19” twin 5-spoke wheels
R02 All season tires
L2D Wood/leather steering wheel
K38 factory code
936 factory code
8U6 Factory code
8U0 factory code
810 Burmester Surround sound
51U. Black cloth headliner
443 Heated Steering wheel
413 panorama Sunroof
22P lane Tracking package code
1B4 factory code
085 factory code
050 Half model year - factory code.
It probably isn’t anything but I’m curious about these “factory codes” listed
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I would be more inclined to have your car, maybe even with the Premium package too.
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Not sure what options are important to you. But I'd think you'd also want the warmth and comfort package, which would include heated seats, not just a heated steering wheel. Code 443 is part of the W&C package, but can also be purchased as a standalone option. Pretty much every option on your list is a standard option. If you have 22P: lane tracking package it means you don't have LKA or the other driver's assistance goodies. Could be wrong, but from the info you provided, this one looks like it came with no dealer options except for heated steering wheel. You should ask the dealer for the build sheet or window sticker for confirmation.
Perconally, I'd pass on something like this. Driving an S-Class should make you feel special, and luxury is about being able to do things with less stress/hassle. You'll easily be able to find better optioned cars.
Perconally, I'd pass on something like this. Driving an S-Class should make you feel special, and luxury is about being able to do things with less stress/hassle. You'll easily be able to find better optioned cars.
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My 2020 had the AMG line, Designo Diamond White, heated wood/leather steering wheel...that was really it. Only thing I wished it had was a suede headliner. No warmth and comfort, you get heated and cooled seats without that you just don't get the heated armrests.
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I agree with the above. A car with that spec is way over-priced. Options are more of a subjective thing, but if am buying pre-owned, I’d get nothing but a fully loaded one for the right price. If you are okay with a low-optioned car, at least I wouldn’t pay that much for it. You can get a better equipped, yet S63, nowadays for just a bit more than that or even for that kind of money if you carefully look around.
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I don't think this car has heated seats, just the heated steering wheel. My 2017 didn't include the W&C package, I regretted that from day 1.
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I guarantee it has heated and cooled seats. I haven't seen an S Class ever without them. No W&C on mine and I had heated and cooled seats
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memory rear seats, rear heated seats.
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Biggest regret with my car is I didn't find one with more options.
So I too would pass on a low-optioned car, even though it's a beautiful S-class with all the inherent good qualities.
So I too would pass on a low-optioned car, even though it's a beautiful S-class with all the inherent good qualities.
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You're probably right. We won't know for sure until someone sees the build sheet. But like you said, heated front seats are standard equipment. I didn't know how to read the build sheet when I bought my S550 out of state, so it was not a good outcome. I loved how the car looked, inside and out, but the missing equipment, which I thought was standard, gnawed at my soul every day until I got rid of it.
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I looked over the spec sheet in Netstar. This car has zero options. It does have heated front seats, which is standard, but does not have the dynamic multicontour seats nor ventilation. Suggestion. I see you're in the PA area. I'd highly suggest finding a car from the Southwest if you can. Even a couple winters can wreck havoc on the underside of vehicles. I lived in Chicago the majority of my life but now live in Arizona. I would never buy another car from anywhere aside from the South. My current W222 S550 is a 2014 with 103k miles and it looks literally brand new under the car, its amazing.
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Ventilated seats are a must have option. Even though they don't work, you won't have the blue led's on the door switch without them....
MB should be ashamed to haveton option that works zero percent of the time!
MB should be ashamed to haveton option that works zero percent of the time!
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The only cars I’ve had recently with truly functional ventilated seats are the ones that didn't have massage seats (LS 430, LS 460, Lincoln Navigator, Accord, Mbenz GL, BMW 530e, and Tesla).... Really the only common factor among all these cars with great ventilation is that none of them had a massage seat function. On the other hand, every car I’ve owned with massage seats had poor ventilation regardless of the brand. There’s just no way around this issue unless someone invents a new method for integrating massage functions that doesn’t rely on these airflow-blocking air bladders. When I opened the seats in my W222 to fix one of the leaking tubes for the air massage seats, I was shocked how restricted the air flow for the fans responsible for air ventilation. You could even tell by hearing the loud fans as they are struggling to blow air through the seats.
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Yes, I feel the same way. I’d kick myself every time I drove a none optioned car. I believe I really want the Premium package and the W&C too. The dealer copied 2 pages the listed the standard items and I wrote out the few options on that same list (see my 3rd post above). It says on that paper it came from a dealer in Georgia - if that makes any difference?
This car is also the standard Black, is the Obsidian Black a better look?
I don’t know why MB lists the cloth headliner as an option (51U) because it looks cheap to me. It looks like what is on my Silverado pickup!
This car is also the standard Black, is the Obsidian Black a better look?
I don’t know why MB lists the cloth headliner as an option (51U) because it looks cheap to me. It looks like what is on my Silverado pickup!
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By way of comparison….My new to me S560 4Matic is a 2019 model with pretty much every available option other than the rear seat footrest option, the rear entertainment option, and the refrigerator. It has the AMG package, the Burmester High End Stereo and beautiful exclusive Napa leather in mahogany/Silk Beige. Exterior color is Ruby Black Metallic. The original MSRP was $135K, and I purchased it from an upstate NY dealership as a CPO vehicle with 17.5K miles on it for $61K, which I thought was a very fair price. They also had the license plate holes on the front bumper repaired by completely removing, patching, and refinishing the entire front bumper. Beautiful work done on it. I am loving my new purchase. Be patient and enjoy the search. You’ll find one that strikes you!
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Yes for heated seats (100% standard), but not cooled/ventilated seats. Ventilated seats was part of the premium optional package which also included the key-less go, park assist, front massage seats and memory settings and some other features. It was foolish for dealers/buyers to spec a car without this package, almost none of the dealers did that anyway. Must be special ordered cars that didn’t have it. Then there is W&C package adds heated steering wheel, heated front and rear armrests, heated and ventilated rear seats, power rear seats,
memory rear seats, rear heated seats.
memory rear seats, rear heated seats.
I looked over the spec sheet in Netstar. This car has zero options. It does have heated front seats, which is standard, but does not have the dynamic multicontour seats nor ventilation. Suggestion. I see you're in the PA area. I'd highly suggest finding a car from the Southwest if you can. Even a couple winters can wreck havoc on the underside of vehicles. I lived in Chicago the majority of my life but now live in Arizona. I would never buy another car from anywhere aside from the South. My current W222 S550 is a 2014 with 103k miles and it looks literally brand new under the car, its amazing.
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By way of comparison….My new to me S560 4Matic is a 2019 model with pretty much every available option other than the rear seat footrest option, the rear entertainment option, and the refrigerator. It has the AMG package, the Burmester High End Stereo and beautiful exclusive Napa leather in mahogany/Silk Beige. Exterior color is Ruby Black Metallic. The original MSRP was $135K, and I purchased it from an upstate NY dealership as a CPO vehicle with 17.5K miles on it for $61K, which I thought was a very fair price. They also had the license plate holes on the front bumper repaired by completely removing, patching, and refinishing the entire front bumper. Beautiful work done on it. I am loving my new purchase. Be patient and enjoy the search. You’ll find one that strikes you!
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By way of comparison….My new to me S560 4Matic is a 2019 model with pretty much every available option other than the rear seat footrest option, the rear entertainment option, and the refrigerator. It has the AMG package, the Burmester High End Stereo and beautiful exclusive Napa leather in mahogany/Silk Beige. Exterior color is Ruby Black Metallic. The original MSRP was $135K, and I purchased it from an upstate NY dealership as a CPO vehicle with 17.5K miles on it for $61K, which I thought was a very fair price. They also had the license plate holes on the front bumper repaired by completely removing, patching, and refinishing the entire front bumper. Beautiful work done on it. I am loving my new purchase. Be patient and enjoy the search. You’ll find one that strikes you!
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I just got a text message from the sales manager:
Sales manager - “Hello Richard, It was a pleasure to meet you yesterday. To answer your questions, our detail department will do the best they can/are able to make this S class look great! It will be sold as a Certified Pre Owned vehicle. Selling price was set for $60,000 but if you are serious about it I will do my best to get it a bit lower for you. Please let me know.
My reply - “Thank you but this car isn't optioned well enough for me to live with. I understand this just came in but from what I've seen it's listed too high for such a basic car.
If anything comes in, especially if it has the premium package, warmth and comfort, or the AMG line package - this is the direction I prefer to go.”
(*Side note, I realize I was a little sharp with my rely but I anticipated what was to come next - and it came!)
Sales manager - “I understand, if you were making an offer for this one how much do you think it would be?”
My Reply- Honestly I would not make any offer on this particular car. For a bit of explanation - If I'm going for this level of luxury I would have buyers remorse quickly if it didn't have at least the more popular options I see on most W222 models after the refresh years. Looking around I don't believe I ever came across one of these without a premium package and a few more options. Those that were well appointed (enough to make me happy) had an MSRP around the $132,000 mark.
(*Note: I was tempted to throw a price out there but it wouldn’t serve me any good.)
Richard -
Sales manager - “Hello Richard, It was a pleasure to meet you yesterday. To answer your questions, our detail department will do the best they can/are able to make this S class look great! It will be sold as a Certified Pre Owned vehicle. Selling price was set for $60,000 but if you are serious about it I will do my best to get it a bit lower for you. Please let me know.
My reply - “Thank you but this car isn't optioned well enough for me to live with. I understand this just came in but from what I've seen it's listed too high for such a basic car.
If anything comes in, especially if it has the premium package, warmth and comfort, or the AMG line package - this is the direction I prefer to go.”
(*Side note, I realize I was a little sharp with my rely but I anticipated what was to come next - and it came!)
Sales manager - “I understand, if you were making an offer for this one how much do you think it would be?”
My Reply- Honestly I would not make any offer on this particular car. For a bit of explanation - If I'm going for this level of luxury I would have buyers remorse quickly if it didn't have at least the more popular options I see on most W222 models after the refresh years. Looking around I don't believe I ever came across one of these without a premium package and a few more options. Those that were well appointed (enough to make me happy) had an MSRP around the $132,000 mark.
(*Note: I was tempted to throw a price out there but it wouldn’t serve me any good.)
Richard -
