Looking at an 2019 S560 4matic with 9500 miles. We currently own a 2018 S450 and have loved it. We don’t like the new body style so finding a basically brand new S560 with 9500 miles seems like the perfect replacement.

Opinions on the purchase? Concerns?

my concerns are I don't know much more about this 2019 S560 other than the one sentence that you gave me. Tell us about the options tell us about the Carfax tell us about the title, tell us about the price, is it commensurate with the value of the car and the age in the low miles?

do you know the owner? Is this a dealer car? Does it have a warranty, extended warranty, CPO?

it’s a carvana vehicle. It came up for preorder in July and is finally ready for sale. I thought 4 1/2 months was long for reconditioning. My guess would be vehicle was in probate. It’s a 1 owner with 9500 miles out of Cleveland Ohio. Has Premium Performance Package, AMG line Exterior, Driver Assistance Pkg. Carfax is clean with no accidents and has been serviced

Lots of cars sound great until a thorough inspection. Carvana has good extended warranty program. The big unknown as with most used cars, is was the car abused? A lemon law survivor? Suffer a minor accident? What kind of person was previous driver. If they missed their payments, they must have scrimped on maintenance, type of fuel, etc. Hopefully they did not abuse the car too much. Just sitting is not the best care either. I would go for it if the price is good, knowing there may be issues down the line.

Well I’m thinking it wasn’t too abused since it was driven 9500 miles over 6 years. Oil changes at 1 year intervals at mileage 2453 , 4523, 6268,8449, and 9441. Headlight bulbs, battery replaced in 2023 and 2025.

as mentioned - get a rigorous PPI and move forward if the price is right

so far sounds good

Looks like a nice car. It doesn't have a lot of the high end options, but it sounds like that isn;t important to you. It doesn't have the warmth and comfort package, that explains why it wasn't driven much if it was in Cleveland.

If you're currently using Mbrace, this will give you the option to continue the service past next month and with more features than on the 2018. I have a 2018 and I'm sad to lose mbrace.

moved to W222 forum...

I mean, how much abuse can happen within 9,500 miles? Who says the previous driver missed payments? If it was held up in probate that means the previous owner died.

The fact that the previous owner did oil changes every year despite such small amounts of driving says a ton about how well the car was likely maintained.

The car sounds like it is optioned similarly to how my 2020 S560 was optioned...the only thing I wished it had was a suede headliner. My S580 is much more highly optioned and while I like the heated armrests from the warmth and comfort package and I like the real leather on all the interior panels from the exclusive nappa package, things like the power rear seats are not worth worrying about IMO, the car is well equipped enough with those packages. I say go for it.

Sometimes sitting around is the worst thing for a car.

That's an old chestnut that needs to die. It's not true in all cases, and let's face it - miles are miles.

A retired owner may not put more than a few thousand per year on a car. I know I don't on several of mine. Yet they get regular use and exceptional maintenance.

Give me a low mile car ANY day.

Agree 100%. This also isn't a 30 year old car thats been in a barn for 25 years, its 6 years old and has been steadily driven some every year and well serviced. Ask @NbyNW who bought an extremely low mile W222 and has driven it all over the country with no real problems.

Base model example with a few nice features. Not sure the low mileage is worth the 56K price. You can get a pretty loaded up 2020 with 40K miles and a Fidelity warranty for sub 50K and probably have a better financial outcome longer term. Cosmetically these cars age exceptionally well. My 2019 S63 still looks and feels new. Mechanicals are a different story. That is where a warranty becomes a necessity regardless of miles.

Thanks for the shout out. When I bought mine it had ~200 miles on it after sitting at a Mercedes dealer in NY for just over three years. I bought it with eights months of factory warranty left then one year of CPO. The only thing that has acted up was the trunk in cold weather and that was replaced with the aftermarket warranty I got for it. Fantastic car. Debating tires, they're original and can't believe they weren't flat spotted after sitting so long, all have date codes 2219. Tread looks good, just the age.

I bought it sight unseen as it had the factory warranty and they delivered it to me.

Happy shopping and don't worry about miles, do your due diligence.

Look at it like this. I have a 2019 that I bought for cash and now it has 104k miles on it.
Nothing major went wrong and the car is maintained with enthusiasm.
A 2019 with 9k miles on it can either be a great car and was owned by someone who barely drove it. Or it could be a car that was constantly in need of service for some issue that was never resolved and they dumped the car.
Maybe the person travelled a lot...who knows.
You just have to really inspect the car and the history and get a feel for it on a drive.

I would not jump on a car based on low mileage . Well, equipment , accessory list , colors are my priorities , Because retrofitting is an equipment sometimes are not really worth it . However, that car is not aged at all . After a good inspection it can be bought but you know everyone prefers to buy a 2nd hand car in low mileage that also affects its price . Some sellers offer more than really value for it . I don't blame them at all, I just walk away

Better check for the notorious oil leaks in the spark plug bores and at the RMS. Low miles cars seem to be at greater risk and the cost to repair is sky high

I haven't seen or heard anything that says lower mile cars are at higher risk of this. What increases the risk is infrequent oil changes, this car has had the oil changed every year despite it being low miles.

I would pay a big premium personally for low miles because I want the least used car possibe

Exactly, car could need just one of every plastic/rubber thing under the hood.....

The plastic and rubber does not deteriorate in 6 years guys lol. This car isn't 20 years old...its 6.

Finding an S560 with 9k miles is awesome. There is no negative to that.

Tell that to coolant lines in three of my cars.....maybe it is the FL heat. But, if you touch em, they like to crack. Dont touch em....what every you do...dont touch em.

The RMS frequently fail while under warranty.

The RMSs on these actually do not "frequently fail" at all, they are more common to fail on the AMG variant but not the regular variant. Whats more common on the regular variant is valve cover gasket failure. Both of those failures are caused by increased crankcase pressure due to clogged oil separators that come from extended oil change intervals. I would be amazed if that were to happen to a unit that is driven 2,000 miles a year if even that and the oil is changed every 1 year/2,000 miles. Certainly check for that but the low mileage doesn't make that more likely. These engines make a LOT of heat, the car sitting assuming it was sitting outside (which it probably wasn't) with ambient average temps in the 90s is way easier on those plastics than being underhood with temps in places of 300 degrees. Thats just logical. You would buy one of those parts that had been on a shelf for 6 years and use it without hesitation...this is no different.

If these rubber and plastic parts couldn't survive on a car that has largely sat for 6 years they would be failing CONSTANTLY on cars that are driven. You'd be replacing them every year.

This idea that a low mileage car is to be avoided is just bizarre. I can see the logic on a 20 year old car if you're going to drive it regularly but not on something that is 6 years old. These cars sit in garages of second and third homes and are driven when people are in town all the time. The mileage of this car is not a concern, its only a positive.

agreed. Rms is rare other than AMG, see my database

https://mbworld.org/forums/w213-amg/...fail-club.html

Yeah modern cars can sit and be fine. They sit on used car lots and do fine. Only maintenance is the battery tender while they sit, and replace hydrophilic fluids or fluids that deteriorate over time once before driving the long term garaged car in question.

there are theories that the car needs routine operation for lubrication of the seals, however there is no engineering benefit to heat cycles of the plastics with routine on/off operation that I am aware of.

think of it this way - new car plastic parts on a shelf don't often have an expiration date so imagine them installed in the long term garages vehicle that principle would still hold true

@superswiss makes a compelling argument however for why cars do need to be driven routinely for them to maintain their ability to endure and take sudden performance stresses. This was heavily discussed and speculated on regarding the m177/8 OVS and RMS debate as to why they fail - is it because the cars sit and aren't driven? Hence the database I created to try and start data gathering

most of what you're seeing in this argument is anecdotal info and confirmation bias from personal experience

Yep, not sure how that is even in the equasion.

From experience, I can say that an older, very low mileage Benz can turn into an expensive fiasco. That car likely only made very short trips and probably sat for months at a time. That puts a ton of stress on plastics & rubber that are prone to dry-rotting when sitting for extended periods as well as gaskets drying out and the car becoming leaky. These cars do best when they are driven regularly with mostly highway miles. I purchased my old 2007 S600 with just 23k miles in 2014. Thank God I also purchased a great after-market warranty that paid out over $23k in claims in just 3 years and 23k miles of driving.

If you take delivery, immediately purchase a good exclusionary after-market warranty. Fortunately with those starting miles, you can likely get a policy at a great price that will likely pay for itself several times over if you keep the car a long time. I got an Endurance policy when my car had 30k miles and was 5 years old for $4400. So far it has paid out over$13k in claims in almost 5 years and I'm only at 56k miles.