When, when, when??
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2021 Cirrus Silver S580 AMG, 2020 Polar White GLE350
After having my $10,000 deposit for 10 months, the dealer better not try going over the MSRP on my order. Still no word on when my car will arrive at the dealership.
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I just received a call from my dealer who said the official launch is July 19. They have not received a 2021 S Class yet, but will call me when the first one arrives so that I can come in and look it over. The dealer said that MBUSA advised them that they have been maintaining the cars that are on the ground at the VPC. The dealer will be advised when the cars on the ground are shipped, but they do not know or have any input as to which cars will be shipped out first.
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Didn't you order a car to your specs and options and have dealer workup order sheet showing discounts, taxes, trade, etc.?
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Yes, they did an order sheet, but no prices were available back in September. I am paying cash, no trade. I have purchased 6 previous new vehicles from this dealership and I do not expect any mark up over list. At the time I ordered, expecting the car to be delivered in March, I agreed to list price.
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I read a recent post on another forum where a customer ordered a car. The dealer agreed to msrp at the time of the order. The car came and the dealer wanted 2500 over sticker. The buyer walked out. Just an example of how dealers can sell the car for whatever they want unless something is signed stating the agreed sale price. ALANPRIEBE being a long time customer, you probably won't have this problem.
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I read a recent post on another forum where a customer ordered a car. The dealer agreed to msrp at the time of the order. The car came and the dealer wanted 2500 over sticker. The buyer walked out. Just an example of how dealers can sell the car for whatever they want unless something is signed stating the agreed sale price. ALANPRIEBE being a long time customer, you probably won't have this problem.
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I don't see the difference between them charging $20k over MSRP for a hot new model if they can get that, and me paying $20k less than MSRP for my 2020 which demand was very low for.
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I guess you wouldn't see the difference unless you were the one paying over MSRP not under, an Escalade a hot new model?.
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If you want the dealer to ignore the fact that the market will bear a higher price than MSRP and sell you the car for MSRP, then you should never try and negotiate anything off of MSRP on slower selling models either. Why should you benefit from market conditions when you are a buyer but deny the dealer's right to benefit from market conditions when they are the seller?
The difference is you want to have your cake and eat it too, and business just doesn't work like that.
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I don't have to buy one. Its supply and demand, sometimes that works in your favor as a buyer and sometimes it works in your favor as a seller. Nothing is making you buy a hot new model.
If you want the dealer to ignore the fact that the market will bear a higher price than MSRP and sell you the car for MSRP, then you should never try and negotiate anything off of MSRP on slower selling models either. Why should you benefit from market conditions when you are a buyer but deny the dealer's right to benefit from market conditions when they are the seller?
The difference is you want to have your cake and eat it too, and business just doesn't work like that.
If you want the dealer to ignore the fact that the market will bear a higher price than MSRP and sell you the car for MSRP, then you should never try and negotiate anything off of MSRP on slower selling models either. Why should you benefit from market conditions when you are a buyer but deny the dealer's right to benefit from market conditions when they are the seller?
The difference is you want to have your cake and eat it too, and business just doesn't work like that.
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This is a luxury purchase, this isn't something anybody needs. If the market factors at the time don't provide you with the deal you want, simply don't buy, or buy a competing product. Price gouging is setting super high prices products and services that are vital to survival during a crisis situation, thats not what this is at all. Wait 6 months and there will be good discounts on W223s.
If an Escalade is too expensive, buy a Navigator.
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The "S" in MSRP means "Suggested".
It's up to dealer to set the price and they are not bound to adhere to the "Suggested" price
When market is affected by short supplies why should they give up on additional profit?
Someone is about to take advantage of the market premium, either the dealer or the customer
It's up to dealer to set the price and they are not bound to adhere to the "Suggested" price
When market is affected by short supplies why should they give up on additional profit?
Someone is about to take advantage of the market premium, either the dealer or the customer
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The "S" in MSRP means "Suggested".
It's up to dealer to set the price and they are not bound to adhere to the "Suggested" price
When market is affected by short supplies why should they give up on additional profit?
Someone is about to take advantage of the market premium, either the dealer or the customer
It's up to dealer to set the price and they are not bound to adhere to the "Suggested" price
When market is affected by short supplies why should they give up on additional profit?
Someone is about to take advantage of the market premium, either the dealer or the customer
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Its not greed, its business. If you don't want to pay what they're asking, buy a competitors product. If enough people do that, their pricing will come down. Nobody needs a car like this, its a luxury/fashion purchase.
I can't stand an entitled attitude and thats what this is. For instance, I just paid the dealer $670 to change my oil, rotate my tires and replace my wiper blades. A ridiculous price. Am I angry? No. Do I feel screwed? No. Will I have it done somewhere else next time? Yes. Dealer has a waiting room full of happy customers and more happy customers out driving loaners, so clearly the market is paying what they're charging...who am I to complain? Good for them. I charge what the market will bear for my services too and people say I'm too expensive for them at times too. Which is fine.
You'll be a lot happier in life if you drop the entitled attitude. Since nobody actually cares what you think or do, they're going to sell every S Class that comes in quickly and for a premium whether you buy one or not, you'll be a lot less "insulted" all the time if you just embrace that.
I can't stand an entitled attitude and thats what this is. For instance, I just paid the dealer $670 to change my oil, rotate my tires and replace my wiper blades. A ridiculous price. Am I angry? No. Do I feel screwed? No. Will I have it done somewhere else next time? Yes. Dealer has a waiting room full of happy customers and more happy customers out driving loaners, so clearly the market is paying what they're charging...who am I to complain? Good for them. I charge what the market will bear for my services too and people say I'm too expensive for them at times too. Which is fine.
You'll be a lot happier in life if you drop the entitled attitude. Since nobody actually cares what you think or do, they're going to sell every S Class that comes in quickly and for a premium whether you buy one or not, you'll be a lot less "insulted" all the time if you just embrace that.
Last edited by SW20S; Jul 14, 2021 at 12:09 AM.
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The "S" in MSRP means "Suggested".
It's up to dealer to set the price and they are not bound to adhere to the "Suggested" price
When market is affected by short supplies why should they give up on additional profit?
Someone is about to take advantage of the market premium, either the dealer or the customer
It's up to dealer to set the price and they are not bound to adhere to the "Suggested" price
When market is affected by short supplies why should they give up on additional profit?
Someone is about to take advantage of the market premium, either the dealer or the customer
Last edited by SmokinV10; Jul 14, 2021 at 12:06 AM.
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y’all need to stop speculating. Most dealers aren’t charging over MSRP unless it’s a G wagon. I live in Houston and 4 of the local dealerships are all charging MSRP. I don’t think that’s likely to change either. Porsche isn’t charging over MSRP for cayenne coupes, Audi isn’t doing it on RS7’s or RSQ8’s, BMW isn’t doing it on M5 Competitions, Land Rover is doing MSRP on defenders (unless they are used) and those are all cars with much lower supply and are almost sold out everywhere. The Escalade and Ram TRX are pulling over msrp but MB isnt. The market is hot, but most MB dealerships are still working at MSRP
Personally, I wouldn't pay MSRP. Makes this car way too expensive, its just not worth $2k a month to lease one of these IMO over its competitors. You can lease a V12 760 for considerably less. I would wait 6+ months until demand settles down and get a deal on one where I can bring the lease into the $1,500 range.
Last edited by SW20S; Jul 14, 2021 at 12:13 AM.
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Its not greed, its business. If you don't want to pay what they're asking, buy a competitors product. If enough people do that, their pricing will come down. Nobody needs a car like this, its a luxury/fashion purchase.
I can't stand an entitled attitude and thats what this is. For instance, I just paid the dealer $670 to change my oil, rotate my tires and replace my wiper blades. A ridiculous price. Am I angry? No. Do I feel screwed? No. Will I have it done somewhere else next time? Yes. Dealer has a waiting room full of happy customers and more happy customers out driving loaners, so clearly the market is paying what they're charging...who am I to complain? Good for them. I charge what the market will bear for my services too and people say I'm too expensive for them at times too. Which is fine.
You'll be a lot happier in life if you drop the entitled attitude. Since nobody actually cares what you think or do, they're going to sell every S Class that comes in quickly and for a premium whether you buy one or not, you'll be a lot less "insulted" all the time if you just embrace that.
I can't stand an entitled attitude and thats what this is. For instance, I just paid the dealer $670 to change my oil, rotate my tires and replace my wiper blades. A ridiculous price. Am I angry? No. Do I feel screwed? No. Will I have it done somewhere else next time? Yes. Dealer has a waiting room full of happy customers and more happy customers out driving loaners, so clearly the market is paying what they're charging...who am I to complain? Good for them. I charge what the market will bear for my services too and people say I'm too expensive for them at times too. Which is fine.
You'll be a lot happier in life if you drop the entitled attitude. Since nobody actually cares what you think or do, they're going to sell every S Class that comes in quickly and for a premium whether you buy one or not, you'll be a lot less "insulted" all the time if you just embrace that.
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y’all need to stop speculating. Most dealers aren’t charging over MSRP unless it’s a G wagon. I live in Houston and 4 of the local dealerships are all charging MSRP. I don’t think that’s likely to change either. Porsche isn’t charging over MSRP for cayenne coupes, Audi isn’t doing it on RS7’s or RSQ8’s, BMW isn’t doing it on M5 Competitions, Land Rover is doing MSRP on defenders (unless they are used) and those are all cars with much lower supply and are almost sold out everywhere. The Escalade and Ram TRX are pulling over msrp but MB isnt. The market is hot, but most MB dealerships are still working at MSRP
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I'm going in asking for 7% off; wish me luck. lol
I worked out a semi intricate deal last year during covid where I sold my dealer S560 and also brought them the buyer for it, and let them keep $2500 off the top. Now I have about $7k in cash being held there and the tax incentive remains as long as I buy a car within 12 months.
I worked out a semi intricate deal last year during covid where I sold my dealer S560 and also brought them the buyer for it, and let them keep $2500 off the top. Now I have about $7k in cash being held there and the tax incentive remains as long as I buy a car within 12 months.
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Its not greed, its business. If you don't want to pay what they're asking, buy a competitors product. If enough people do that, their pricing will come down. Nobody needs a car like this, its a luxury/fashion purchase.
I can't stand an entitled attitude and thats what this is. For instance, I just paid the dealer $670 to change my oil, rotate my tires and replace my wiper blades. A ridiculous price. Am I angry? No. Do I feel screwed? No. Will I have it done somewhere else next time? Yes. Dealer has a waiting room full of happy customers and more happy customers out driving loaners, so clearly the market is paying what they're charging...who am I to complain? Good for them. I charge what the market will bear for my services too and people say I'm too expensive for them at times too. Which is fine.
You'll be a lot happier in life if you drop the entitled attitude. Since nobody actually cares what you think or do, they're going to sell every S Class that comes in quickly and for a premium whether you buy one or not, you'll be a lot less "insulted" all the time if you just embrace that.
I can't stand an entitled attitude and thats what this is. For instance, I just paid the dealer $670 to change my oil, rotate my tires and replace my wiper blades. A ridiculous price. Am I angry? No. Do I feel screwed? No. Will I have it done somewhere else next time? Yes. Dealer has a waiting room full of happy customers and more happy customers out driving loaners, so clearly the market is paying what they're charging...who am I to complain? Good for them. I charge what the market will bear for my services too and people say I'm too expensive for them at times too. Which is fine.
You'll be a lot happier in life if you drop the entitled attitude. Since nobody actually cares what you think or do, they're going to sell every S Class that comes in quickly and for a premium whether you buy one or not, you'll be a lot less "insulted" all the time if you just embrace that.
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Good luck on that one!
My MB dealer has no new E class cars, no new C class cars and of course no new S class cars. Dealers can't even get cars much less sell for a discount under MSRP. I have NEVER paid MSRP (until this year) on a car and NEVER over MSRP. But times right now are different. I purchased a 2021 C8 Corvette at MSRP (ordered 12 months before delivery) and paid MSRP while some dealers are charging $30,000 over MSRP for that car. We are in CRAZY times so I wish you alot of luck on 7% off MSRP. My most recent S Class purchase was a 2019 S63 at 8% below MSRP but that was Nov 2018 with the 5% Euro Delivery and 3% from the dealer commission on Euro Delivery.
My MB dealer has no new E class cars, no new C class cars and of course no new S class cars. Dealers can't even get cars much less sell for a discount under MSRP. I have NEVER paid MSRP (until this year) on a car and NEVER over MSRP. But times right now are different. I purchased a 2021 C8 Corvette at MSRP (ordered 12 months before delivery) and paid MSRP while some dealers are charging $30,000 over MSRP for that car. We are in CRAZY times so I wish you alot of luck on 7% off MSRP. My most recent S Class purchase was a 2019 S63 at 8% below MSRP but that was Nov 2018 with the 5% Euro Delivery and 3% from the dealer commission on Euro Delivery.
I'm going in asking for 7% off; wish me luck. lol
I worked out a semi intricate deal last year during covid where I sold my dealer S560 and also brought them the buyer for it, and let them keep $2500 off the top. Now I have about $7k in cash being held there and the tax incentive remains as long as I buy a car within 12 months.
I worked out a semi intricate deal last year during covid where I sold my dealer S560 and also brought them the buyer for it, and let them keep $2500 off the top. Now I have about $7k in cash being held there and the tax incentive remains as long as I buy a car within 12 months.
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Good luck on that one!
My MB dealer has no new E class cars, no new C class cars and of course no new S class cars. Dealers can't even get cars much less sell for a discount under MSRP. I have NEVER paid MSRP (until this year) on a car and NEVER over MSRP. But times right now are different. I purchased a 2021 C8 Corvette at MSRP (ordered 12 months before delivery) and paid MSRP while some dealers are charging $30,000 over MSRP for that car. We are in CRAZY times so I wish you alot of luck on 7% off MSRP. My most recent S Class purchase was a 2019 S63 at 8% below MSRP but that was Nov 2018 with the 5% Euro Delivery and 3% from the dealer commission on Euro Delivery.
My MB dealer has no new E class cars, no new C class cars and of course no new S class cars. Dealers can't even get cars much less sell for a discount under MSRP. I have NEVER paid MSRP (until this year) on a car and NEVER over MSRP. But times right now are different. I purchased a 2021 C8 Corvette at MSRP (ordered 12 months before delivery) and paid MSRP while some dealers are charging $30,000 over MSRP for that car. We are in CRAZY times so I wish you alot of luck on 7% off MSRP. My most recent S Class purchase was a 2019 S63 at 8% below MSRP but that was Nov 2018 with the 5% Euro Delivery and 3% from the dealer commission on Euro Delivery.
