Truer words that are in line w/ my opinions (we're all entitled to our own) have never been said.

Good review, and spot on.

I agree with a lot of what is said in the review, but I’m not sure how the OP’s beloved A8 is any different

I literally refrained from sharing any of my opinions to prevent another pointless internet war due to bruised egos on both ends of the spectrum. If you want to have a debate on that, you'll have to participate with someone else.

Its nothing about bruised egos, but all of the same over-zealous technology for the sake of technology and screen interfaces that are confusingly laid out and lack of intuitiveness exists in the A8 as well. In fact, that was a big reason why I chose the W222 over the A8.

I just don’t see how you can take issue with these things about the W223 (which I also take issue with) but not take issue with them in your A8.

I don’t have a W223, so no ego to bruise here…

The bottom line is this is an issue with high end vehicles in general, the need for restraint with technology.

I am not surprised by Savageese’s review. As he states multiple times he is not a fan of tech for tech sake as well as not the target demographic for this type of car and has stated similar opinions in other MB reviews as he prefers less glitz and glam as well as gimmicks. I get that, and its a good thing that there are many different options for everyone.

As for the increased amount of technology and use of touchscreens, the S-Class is not alone in this. The A8 as we all know has two touch screens for all of its controls, the new 7er coming out will have iDrive 8.0 which is heavily reliant on touch controls (all HVAC and seat heat/ventilation controls are in menus, no physical controls), and even the Genesis and Lexus products are adapting touch screen and capacitive controls. Its simply the way the industry is headed, and I doubt it will stop.

Haven't checked out this review but Savagegeese has some of the dumbest reviews out on Youtube IMO; typically when it comes to MB or BMW. These are clearly not cars for him...

They come off as trash not able to accept anything better in some cases and then they're right about some things. I guess my question would be, what do you expect Mercedes to do or Audi? Wait until you see the tech fest the next 7-Series is going to be. I mean the car that is the opposite to the Germans, low tech and built for reliability, the Lexus LS doesn't sell. Mercedes is following what the market wants and tech is where the market is and the one upmanship is now.

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Or, he is clearly not suited for MB or BMW. :-)

I started another thread where I also complained about the technology getting in your way. I think the guys in that review were actually kind. The car is a luxury car and it meets my taste for size, and interior and exterior design. There is not another car presently that I think looks better. But the over use of technology, or at least the way it is presented and forced on you distracts from enjoying this premium car. The early part of the video that showed all of the fingerprints said a lot.

There is a lot of technology that happens behind the scenes and some that the driver and passengers need to be able to access. Like the reviewers stated, the integration could have been a lot better.

Savagegeese probably hates wifi enabled appliances and thermostats as well. Lol.

Regarding fingerprints, is what shown on the video also the actual experience of you guys too?

I have my W223 for only 3 months and is less than 800km (500 miles). The Central Display screen is no where close to that dirty. I have yet to use the MB bundled screen cleaning cloth.
But, I do not touch the screen a lot (and the original screen protector is still not peeled off).

I use my mobile phone a lot and fingerprints are minimal (on the TG protection film). If it can get that dirty that easy (hopes he did not use the screen after eating out at KFC), maybe it is time to consider an aftermarket protector?

I don't think the new S-Class screens are that much different then other cars, but the angle seems to catch the sun more then other cars with the screen more up and down. Also more functions require you to touch it, so they do get extra touches. Come to think of that, I don't recall using Hey Mercedes recently. I guess I found it easier to use the touch screen?

Good technical review

Did that car have E-ABC? Because that was what they were describing.

Definitely some serious bias on Mark's part and you can see Jake's frustration.

So...TO ME...the issue is tech for techs sake. Where I think he's right is that tech should fall into the background and make your life easier. I don't see how many of the tech features on this car do that...what they create are overwhelming complexity and the potential for things to not work right, and we see that with handles not popping out, etc. Redesigning the seat controls to be haptic when that reduces their functionality. Etc.

When I first got the car, there where a lot of fingerprints due to going through all the options and features. But after owning the car for a few weeks and I had all the options set up, I don't have to use the touch screen as much. I also get my car washed weekly. The interior gets a wipe down. It never looks like that video.

Yes, there is too much of it. I think all this tech can become more of an annoyance and thus diluting the luxury experience. His comments about being able to dial up or down the tech made sense to me, that would be true luxury. Unfortunately I agree that the tech dial always seems to be at 8 or 10 and in your face.

I like tech...but quite frankly, a regular door handle is just better than one that relies on sensors and motors to present itself when you need to open it. I can tell the car which mirror I want to adjust, I don't need sensors to exist to tell it where im looking so it just knows, real feedback is better than artificial feedback, and oftentimes well placed real buttons are just better than virtual buttons.

Theres a reason why toilet seats aren't power operated lol.

Although this idea might be unfit (because it is and honestly it is such a terrible idea I came up with) for such a high tier vehicle, did they explore the idea of push to pop out and pop-in (like a click) because they wanted to build an aerodynamic vehicle being one of the reasons they wanted to hide those door handles. It also saves weight from the having a motor, and less chance of breaking. Other than maybe frozen by ice in the winter (I guess it can be used in places that doesn't go below freezing).

Actually better idea, bring back the door handles they used in the SLS gullwing. That handle is flushed, no motor and satisfies Mercedes' pursue for aerodynamics or at least make that a standard option for those that don't want to option the motorized door handles.

u were saying?

​​​​​​​Oh ya, Japanese are always so innovative and stuff, I've been to Japan as a trip and remember their toilets can sing to you, clean itself and all sorts of things including the person who uses it, the temperature of the water can be adjusted, it has a built in deodorizer, the seats can be heated, it can even blow hot air (and ventilated) to dry things, some even have a massage function too....

I guess I will keep mine simple though personally.

Find a house with one though! More people are going to be annoyed by that type of seat than will like it. Its like electrically operated trash can lids, a plan ol foot pedal just works better.

I like Savagegeese reviews because whether you agree with them or not they aren't like Motorweek and candy coat everything. Given their preference for performance oriented cars and dislike of tech for tech sake it makes sense get why they prefer the Panamera. They don't see the value add of this car. Other than the exterior design I'm not sure I do either.

I don't think I've seen a negative motorweek review yet. I've been watching them for 15 or so years.